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 Azreal13 wrote:
Kana for those of us who are just dipping in and out of the thread, could you briefly summarise what the hell it is you're arguing?

Per his usual he is scraping up anything and everything to argue against. I have no idea what he is talking about anymore he is holding on at least 3 arguments currently i think.

Can't you just ignore him? I'm more interested in the GK news rather than his incessant attempts to disagree with everyone and their grandmother. I did put him on the ignore list but you keep quoting his posts, much to my chagrin.

Indeed, want to see some rules and stuff.

I've got to say how much I love the fact that the Purifier Squad has the exact same models as the Strike Squad box, just half as many, yet doesn't cost half what the Strike Squad box does.

Unless they've changed something (which I doubt), anyone who buys the Purifier box is a complete rube.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Kana for those of us who are just dipping in and out of the thread, could you briefly summarise what the hell it is you're arguing?

The easiest way to figure out what Kan is talking about on any given day is to read what the discussion is about. Once you've ascertained what the topic is, Kan will naturally hold the opposite opinion to that.

I'm hoping the purifiers have an upgrade sprue or something...

Was waiting for someone to claim that "The 10 man box isnt a discount, its the 5 man box thats over priced nya nya nya"

Getting the Eldar Guardian treatment?

 pretre wrote:
I'm hoping the purifiers have an upgrade sprue or something...

or at least sufficant heavy weapons to fit out a purgation squad

BrianDavion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm hoping the purifiers have an upgrade sprue or something...

or at least sufficant heavy weapons to fit out a purgation squad

Man, I always thought the Grey Knight Strike/Purgation/Purifier squad box was a great deal. One of every melee weapon type except the hammer and warding stave which you only use 1 or two per squad and two of each special weapon. Compare that to a tactical marine box where you only get 1 of each kind of special weapon, a missile launcher and a power sword. One box lets you make bare-bones marines, the other lets you make three units with almost any loadout.

 jetstumpy wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm hoping the purifiers have an upgrade sprue or something...

or at least sufficant heavy weapons to fit out a purgation squad

Man, I always thought the Grey Knight Strike/Purgation/Purifier squad box was a great deal. One of every melee weapon type except the hammer and warding stave which you only use 1 or two per squad and two of each special weapon. Compare that to a tactical marine box where you only get 1 of each kind of special weapon, a missile launcher and a power sword. One box lets you make bare-bones marines, the other lets you make three units with almost any loadout.

I coul;d be wrong as I've not looked at the box all my GKs right now are termies (I oinly just started my GK army about a week or two before the news of the upcoming codex hit and thus resulted in my placing a freeze on new purchases), I'm just hoping for 4 psy canons

sighh....

no new kits, 100% confirmed, so lame, GK didnt exactly NEED anything, but something would have been nice model wise.

I guess maybe GW is a rules company too, I hope that the new rules at least give some nice new options.

Remember, the Inquisition book is a codex, not a supplement. Codex used to strongly imply a stand alone army before it got watered the crap down by stupid things like instant-lose space ghosts and 1 model with a 5pt weapon swap. And that book has taken a strong blow from the edition change and an update that made it pretty much a supplemental force from a being a viable army like before, which is crap. I feel like I should be able to get a refund on it for that change.

We'll wait and see what rules leak next week as I doubt the White Dwarf has much if there's nothing new. If anything, we can probably just base the entire book off one unit entry and the amount of changes made to it (better or worse).


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 easysauce wrote:

I guess maybe GW is a rules company too, I hope that the new rules at least give some nice new options.

GW has been nothing but a rules company, used to hock plastic, for a long time. It's only been beaten over our heads this past 8 months. The GK release is just showing that the model team can't keep up with the ease and cheap ROI of paper products.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Was waiting for someone to claim that "The 10 man box isnt a discount, its the 5 man box thats over priced nya nya nya"

*slap*

I didn't say either. The 10-man box is the 10-man box. There's nothing wrong with it. It's fine. But why do five of the exact same models cost more than half the 10-man box?

HBMC, I think you've been too brain washed by those no discount one-click bundles GW has been offering.

A bulk discount is a very normal thing in retail.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Was waiting for someone to claim that "The 10 man box isnt a discount, its the 5 man box thats over priced nya nya nya"

*slap*

I didn't say either. The 10-man box is the 10-man box. There's nothing wrong with it. It's fine. But why do five of the exact same models cost more than half the 10-man box?

Economy of scale? *shrugs*

...yeah, I would expect a small discount for buying more of something.

I have heard of entire supermarket chains who base their business models on this concept of bulk purchases.




If you need the larger amount, well that is awesome.
If you need the smaller amount? Well why not buy the bigger size as it it a little bit cheaper per model/unit/kilogram/pound/hogshead, even if you don't need them all, or even if you can't eat them all.

 easysauce wrote:
sighh....

no new kits, 100% confirmed, so lame, GK didnt exactly NEED anything, but something would have been nice model wise.

I guess maybe GW is a rules company too, I hope that the new rules at least give some nice new options.

GW is a painting and modelling company. Please have a look at their homepage. The botton ''Gaming'' is no longer there.

 wuestenfux wrote:
GW is a painting and modelling company. Please have a look at their homepage. The botton ''Gaming'' is no longer there.

Games Workshop is a "Short-term profits" company, not a 'painting and modeling' or 'rules' company.

I mean they've neglected the comprehensiveness and logic of the rules, AND the "modelling aspect" of the hobby. At this point, they are just trying to make a quick buck any way they can.

I think the GK release might well be a shining example of this- releasing the same stuff again, with some of it cut out into day-one-DLC (heh.) A new low, really, assuming it actually plays out like this.

Just to say a few thought i had:

1: Sad no inquisitor in GK, by rumours, as they were good cheap HQ units. The same with assassins, but if my wolvies can use a vindicare that's cool.

2: Draigo. I am one those people who is a tiny comic and film nerd. Lets give draigo the name of Iron man or Thor. Now no-one complains when they cut through an army to find the villain and win nearly single handed, so why complain when a man in huge terminator armour, wielding a sword and shield, kicks ass and defeats Mortarion. They are the same things, heroes do stupid stuff and ALWAYS win, it's the narrative imperative. A hero will always do something brave and fool-hardy and win, look at Sharpe in Sharpe Eagle; pledges to get a french eagle in revenge for death of another officer. Told that is would be suicide and no done, but still goes ahead and gets the eagle. The hero always wins, most of the time. QED Draigo is a hero.

I'm happy even as a BA player this is not rumor. They will be out the codex in less then 2 weeks. But I want them to make sisters as well no fliers and the digital codex removed their land raiders ill even update to plastic if they had them. But imo there was DE and Sisters that needed a new dex to even remotely field them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've got to say how much I love the fact that the Purifier Squad has the exact same models as the Strike Squad box, just half as many, yet doesn't cost half what the Strike Squad box does.

Unless they've changed something (which I doubt), anyone who buys the Purifier box is a complete rube.

But isn't this something we have been complaining about GW, that their basic infantry has got so expensive with the trend of reboxing the kits into smaller units, that building the entire army has got prohibitively expensive? Now, they offer both smaller box for those who don't need to buy full set of 10 Marines to complete their army, plus a larger box of 10 marines with discount for those who are starting the army. Sure, the larger box does not offer MUCH discount, but it's better than nothing. So I say this is actually a positive development. Just wished that they did same to the armies with large model counts.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Except no. I have the codex right in front of me. Page 15 in the timeline: "Draigo smashes his way through Mortarion's guard, strikes the Primarch to the ground and carves Geronitan's name onto the Daemon's vile heart"

His Wardness had Draigo defeat Morty all by himself.

I guess you're ignoring the fact that there was an entire "battle" going on, huh?

I just quoted from the codex word for word. Nothing in it suggests that Draigo-Sue had any help defeating Mortarion. He did it all by himself.

What's your source?

Oh and I forgot the sentence right before the one I wrote:

ALONE AND UNAIDED [b

The audio drama they released expands upon this a bit.


.. More or less pull it off IMO, but as ever YMMV.

BrianDavion wrote:
out of curiosity what is your list?

Draigo
5 Paladins
5 Paladins (both troops)
5 termies (painting WIP, sometimes with Thawn but depends on rumours)
5 Purifiers
5 Interceptors
Dreadknight with sword, incinerator, psycannon and PT
Vindicare Assassin
And can borrow a Libby, Rhinoes, Land Raiders and Stormraven with all the toppings from my SM army


With the original rumours In would have had only 1 Troop and no HQ choice so couldn't field my list. my gaming group also had a house rule against LoW and Unbound for reasons, but we've since agreed based on the trend of the Big Bad HQ (Logan, Ghaz, Draigo) that those LoW are ok. Now I can run the following using the GK detachment

HQ- Brotherhood Champion (gonna buy anyway)
Troops- Terminators
Elites- Paladins (1x 10 or 2x5), Vendread and Purifiers
FA- Interceptors and Stormraven
HS- Dreadknight



So I'm sweet.

Backfire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've got to say how much I love the fact that the Purifier Squad has the exact same models as the Strike Squad box, just half as many, yet doesn't cost half what the Strike Squad box does.

Unless they've changed something (which I doubt), anyone who buys the Purifier box is a complete rube.

But isn't this something we have been complaining about GW, that their basic infantry has got so expensive with the trend of reboxing the kits into smaller units, that building the entire army has got prohibitively expensive? Now, they offer both smaller box for those who don't need to buy full set of 10 Marines to complete their army, plus a larger box of 10 marines with discount for those who are starting the army. Sure, the larger box does not offer MUCH discount, but it's better than nothing. So I say this is actually a positive development. Just wished that they did same to the armies with large model counts.

They are branded as two seperate products so they would need a difrenance of some sort wouldn't they ?
Would new players know if they want ten purifiers to get the strike squad box.
Or even would the staff at the store know if players where looking.

Guess we will see come release but it seems a bit shifty if nothing is new in the box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Was waiting for someone to claim that "The 10 man box isnt a discount, its the 5 man box thats over priced nya nya nya"

*slap*

I didn't say either. The 10-man box is the 10-man box. There's nothing wrong with it. It's fine. But why do five of the exact same models cost more than half the 10-man box?

well a 2x 5 man box takes means an extra box, extra space in the lorry/warehouse/store

so it should be more expenisve than half the 10 man box

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Just to say a few thought i had:

1: Sad no inquisitor in GK, by rumours, as they were good cheap HQ units. The same with assassins, but if my wolvies can use a vindicare that's cool.

2: Draigo. I am one those people who is a tiny comic and film nerd. Lets give draigo the name of Iron man or Thor. Now no-one complains when they cut through an army to find the villain and win nearly single handed, so why complain when a man in huge terminator armour, wielding a sword and shield, kicks ass and defeats Mortarion. They are the same things, heroes do stupid stuff and ALWAYS win, it's the narrative imperative. A hero will always do something brave and fool-hardy and win, look at Sharpe in Sharpe Eagle; pledges to get a french eagle in revenge for death of another officer. Told that is would be suicide and no done, but still goes ahead and gets the eagle. The hero always wins, most of the time. QED Draigo is a hero.

Ad 1. Its a pity that there will be no Inquisition in the new codex. Henchmen were cheap point fillers and good for scoring purposes (when using Coteaz).
Not sure if there will be something equivalent in the Inquisiton or AM codices.

Ad 2. I'm not using named characters (bar Coteaz) and so Draigo becoming LotW is not really decisive for me.

So...just speculating here...it sounds like we can deepstrike landraiders if they are part of the leaked formation. Am I reading that correctly?

What about dreadnoughts?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
well a 2x 5 man box takes means an extra box, extra space in the lorry/warehouse/store

so it should be more expenisve than half the 10 man box

Hmm... interesting point.

By the by, I have a bridge to sell. Interested?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Was waiting for someone to claim that "The 10 man box isnt a discount, its the 5 man box thats over priced nya nya nya"

You know the two statements are not mutually exclusive, yeah? If I offer you one of a thing at an inflated cost, and two of a thing at slightly less than double the inflated cost, you would be perfectly entitled to still call both overpriced despite the latter technically offering a discount.

 scadianforlife wrote:
So...just speculating here...it sounds like we can deepstrike landraiders if they are part of the leaked formation. Am I reading that correctly?

What about dreadnoughts?

No, I guess not.

It says ''alle Einheiten, die sich in Schocktruppen-Reserve befinden'', i.e., deep strikers that are held in reserve.