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 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I think he's saying that it is too early to poo-poo it. For all you know, one of the character has a Huron-esque Warlord Trait .

I think he is just being the contrarion that he always is. Which is fine, and maybe those things will happen. Then again a warlord trait that always gives you first turn could exist too. Maybe one that gives you an extra turn even.

Those things are much less likely than an infiltrate or deep strike manipulating WT though.

That was the joke


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I think he's saying that it is too early to poo-poo it. For all you know, one of the character has a Huron-esque Warlord Trait .

I think he is just being the contrarion that he always is.

As silly as this is, I'm really not trying to. I'm simply trying to point out that it really is a bit early to make that judgement.

Which is fine, and maybe those things will happen. Then again a warlord trait that always gives you first turn could exist too. Maybe one that gives you an extra turn even.

The various Warlord Traits of late seem to be "themed" relating to the army they are tied to. I really could see something like Deep Striking units from your army do not Scatter or really powerful/strange ones like that.

Fair enough, you may be right. I just prefer to discuss whats been leaked and not guessing that a WT will make it work.

From the leaked page it sounds fun, but not very reliable.

 Redemption wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

We'll see when the codex comes out, those leaks were full of massive holes everywhere

Such as? It seemed pretty complete to me - assuming regular GW stance on ignoring problems in a codex and just changing a few point costs here and there.

Oh I dont know, warlord traits, weapon profiles, unit statlines, yknow everything that wasnt wargear and options.

Well they're marines so we know the stats.

We also know storm bolter profiles though I am with you on psycanons and psilensers. I am guessing one if not both become salvo.

Warlord traits will be grand strategy plus fear and probably a challenge perk like every other marine army has gotten.

 ashikenshin wrote:
and I thought it was awesome that you were going to be able to build an actual Grey Knight list with a Grey Knight codex.

It always bummed me out that I would see a list for 1500 GK on a forum and it was an Inquisition list with no GK whatsoever, maybe a Dreadknight.

If the Inquisition had kept their codex it wouldn't be a problem

GKs are the interlopers!

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

We'll see when the codex comes out, those leaks were full of massive holes everywhere

Such as? It seemed pretty complete to me - assuming regular GW stance on ignoring problems in a codex and just changing a few point costs here and there.

Oh I dont know, warlord traits, weapon profiles, unit statlines, yknow everything that wasnt wargear and options.

You mean the stuff that's never included in those army builders?

 Redemption wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

We'll see when the codex comes out, those leaks were full of massive holes everywhere

Such as? It seemed pretty complete to me - assuming regular GW stance on ignoring problems in a codex and just changing a few point costs here and there.

Oh I dont know, warlord traits, weapon profiles, unit statlines, yknow everything that wasnt wargear and options.

You mean the stuff that's never included in those army builders?

pretty much. and he's right, it's a bit early to get toooo upset as we don't know the full story, and yeah the formation could be useless, although I could see it being pretty spiffy under the right circumstances. as for the teleport homer issue, one idea that comes to mind if warlord traits don't improve it is allies.

Ally in a small space Marine force and you'd got a pretty good set up that way.

take a SM Librarian, a scout squad, and a scout biker squad, and you have 2 infiltrating teleport becons, and a additional warp charge for 203 points.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why? The Inquisition isn't a real army.

They're advisors, with a few henchmen with wibbly wobbly abilities.

The Inquisition is whatever it wants to be. It's not centralised nor is it Codified.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why? The Inquisition isn't a real army.

They're advisors, with a few henchmen with wibbly wobbly abilities.

The Inquisition is whatever it wants to be. It's not centralised nor is it Codified.

And yet not a single bit of that suggests they are an army.

 Redemption wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

We'll see when the codex comes out, those leaks were full of massive holes everywhere

Such as? It seemed pretty complete to me - assuming regular GW stance on ignoring problems in a codex and just changing a few point costs here and there.

I was actually impressed by the SW codex in that regard, it wasn't just a bunch of almost random points tweaks, they genuinely changed a lot of things in the direction of good balance. Compared to a couple of other recent codices which just felt like a reprint with some random shuffling of balance with no overall improvement.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why? The Inquisition isn't a real army.

They're advisors, with a few henchmen with wibbly wobbly abilities.

The Inquisition is whatever it wants to be. It's not centralised nor is it Codified sometimes, they operate in numbers sufficient to be reasonably considered an army. .

And yet not a single bit of that suggests they are an army.

How about now?

Text deleted. Don't modify other people's words in a manner which alters their meaning. --Janthkin

Yeah they field forces the size of an army but do not operate a standard structure. An Inquisition Codex would be super awesome if it focused on the Three Ordos and how that would effect FOC and units available.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I think he's saying that it is too early to poo-poo it. For all you know, one of the character has a Huron-esque Warlord Trait .

I think he is just being the contrarion that he always is.

As silly as this is, I'm really not trying to. I'm simply trying to point out that it really is a bit early to make that judgement.

No, actualy, you kept bringing up teleport homers as a great tactic for turn 1 deep strikers, and some people explained why that tactic is flawed. The possibility of a WT that could combine infiltrate and teleport homer came in later to save your pride.
Not that a relevant WT is far fetched, mind.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why? The Inquisition isn't a real army.

They're advisors, with a few henchmen with wibbly wobbly abilities.

The Inquisition is whatever it wants to be. It's not centralised nor is it Codified.

And yet not a single bit of that suggests they are an army.

We don't play full army forces. We play games of hinge points in battles with smaller combat groups. The Inquisition fits well within the scope of the game.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why? The Inquisition isn't a real army.

They're advisors, with a few henchmen with wibbly wobbly abilities.

The Inquisition is whatever it wants to be. It's not centralised nor is it Codified.

And yet not a single bit of that suggests they are an army.

We don't play full army forces. We play games of hinge points in battles with smaller combat groups. The Inquisition fits well within the scope of the game.

maybe maybe not, most of the time in the novels where an inqusitor shows up he's useally leading a team assmbled from other Imperial assists. as well as a few of his own henchmen. the Inqusitions standing army consists of the death watch and the grey knights.

ideally we'd have a codex for the grey knights with ordo mallaeus, and a codex for the death watch with ordos xenos.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Got this from Mexican Ork fbook group.



Take it as is.

Okay, so that is the new detachment that is exclusive to Grey Knights...

1 HQ and 1 Troop required

Done, I'm happy, I can run my list. Peace out folks!

out of curiosity what is your list?

Might be hope for the fluff. I've seen stuff pop up about Ward leaving GW, unless they copy/past ofcourse. No idea if it's true.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Might be hope for the fluff. I've seen stuff pop up about Ward leaving GW, unless they copy/past ofcourse. No idea if it's true.

I hope they do tone it down. though i think the damage was already done and added to with BL no?

 Desubot wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Might be hope for the fluff. I've seen stuff pop up about Ward leaving GW, unless they copy/past ofcourse. No idea if it's true.

I hope they do tone it down. though i think the damage was already done and added to with BL no?

They added the part about Draigo vs Mortarion, but they changed it (If I'm remembering right) from Draigo single handily besting him in combat to it taking the combined might of nearly every GK present to defeat him, with Draigo doing the heart carving thing after Morty was already more or less vanquished.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

They added the part about Draigo vs Mortarion, but they changed it (If I'm remembering right) from Draigo single handily besting him in combat to it taking the combined might of nearly every GK present to defeat him, with Draigo doing the heart carving thing after Morty was already more or less vanquished.

They re-did that book? Or was it inside one of the books. I haven't read the current Grey Knights Codex.

Might get a little detachment of them.

 Desubot wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Might be hope for the fluff. I've seen stuff pop up about Ward leaving GW, unless they copy/past ofcourse. No idea if it's true.

I hope they do tone it down. though i think the damage was already done and added to with BL no?

Depends.

If they go with the earlier stuff, maybe, but Emperor's Gift was decent.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Might be hope for the fluff. I've seen stuff pop up about Ward leaving GW, unless they copy/past ofcourse. No idea if it's true.

I hope they do tone it down. though i think the damage was already done and added to with BL no?

They added the part about Draigo vs Mortarion, but they changed it (If I'm remembering right) from Draigo single handily besting him in combat to it taking the combined might of nearly every GK present to defeat him, with Draigo doing the heart carving thing after Morty was already more or less vanquished.

Except if you read the Grey Knight codex...that was pretty much already the case.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

They added the part about Draigo vs Mortarion, but they changed it (If I'm remembering right) from Draigo single handily besting him in combat to it taking the combined might of nearly every GK present to defeat him, with Draigo doing the heart carving thing after Morty was already more or less vanquished.

They re-did that book? Or was it inside one of the books. I haven't read the current Grey Knights Codex.

Might get a little detachment of them.

audio novel called Motarion's heart IIRC

If psybolt ammo is no longer an option, I wonder if its a psychic power?! It was in all probability off the bottom of the page.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Might be hope for the fluff. I've seen stuff pop up about Ward leaving GW, unless they copy/past ofcourse. No idea if it's true.

I hope they do tone it down. though i think the damage was already done and added to with BL no?

They added the part about Draigo vs Mortarion, but they changed it (If I'm remembering right) from Draigo single handily besting him in combat to it taking the combined might of nearly every GK present to defeat him, with Draigo doing the heart carving thing after Morty was already more or less vanquished.

Except if you read the Grey Knight codex...that was pretty much already the case.

Except no. I have the codex right in front of me. Page 15 in the timeline: "ALONE AND UNAIDED Draigo smashes his way through Mortarion's guard, strikes the Primarch to the ground and carves Geronitan's name onto the Daemon's vile heart"

His Wardness had Draigo defeat Morty all by himself.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And yet not a single bit of that suggests they are an army.

You really are very good at telling people what they can't have.



And no, the Inquisition isn't an army. But there can be Inquisitor's who put together armies.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Except no. I have the codex right in front of me. Page 15 in the timeline: "Draigo smashes his way through Mortarion's guard, strikes the Primarch to the ground and carves Geronitan's name onto the Daemon's vile heart"

His Wardness had Draigo defeat Morty all by himself.

I guess you're ignoring the fact that there was an entire "battle" going on, huh?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

Except no. I have the codex right in front of me. Page 15 in the timeline: "Draigo smashes his way through Mortarion's guard, strikes the Primarch to the ground and carves Geronitan's name onto the Daemon's vile heart"

His Wardness had Draigo defeat Morty all by himself.

I guess you're ignoring the fact that there was an entire "battle" going on, huh?

I just quoted from the codex word for word. Nothing in it suggests that Draigo-Sue had any help defeating Mortarion. He did it all by himself.

What's your source?

Oh and I forgot the sentence right before the one I wrote:

ALONE AND UNAIDED [b

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
And yet not a single bit of that suggests they are an army.

You really are very good at telling people what they can't have.

Yes, let's keep pretending that is what is happening.

And no, the Inquisition isn't an army. But there can be Inquisitors who put together armies.

Which is great--but what does that have to do with the Grey Knights?
There's a Codex: Inquisition. It is a supplemental book. It is no different than the Imperial Knights or Militarum Tempestus.

Kana for those of us who are just dipping in and out of the thread, could you briefly summarise what the hell it is you're arguing?