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I also see that GW Forgeworld books will have rules for models without an actual figure yet.

But but but GW don't do that anymore

Is it just me, or do the bare headed Primaris all have black eyes?

New paint style? Some weird Primaris gene quirk? Space Sharks?!

Either way, lovely models apart from the weird Nurgle sorcerer.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
Ahh, so you are making assumptions.

in AoS,The 'ORDER' faction keyword gives you certain tables and abilities to pick from. If you want the cooler, better, more thematic bonuses, artefacts etc, you have to go for a specific faction.

SO MY ASSUMPTION is that this will be the case in 8th.

Let us see who is right

He didn't make any assumptions about what you get. What we do know is that multi-faction(ie say imperium and eldar) will make it harder for you to get command points. Apart from that we need to get glance on codexes.

Though you can still get dark angel bonuses and also eldar force. You just get less command points and less keyword synergies for abilities

 Azazelx wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
Erghhh! I hate that the guy in the video is slavering all over GW and like "I've never seen anything like this before! ". When in the 90s the rule book often came with everything you needed including the majority of the codexs! They didn't split it up like this crap...

"Here Sam, look suitably amazed and awestruck or you're being sacked."

Because promotional advertisements often feature people seeming indifferent or merely okay about the product they're advertising....

It's literally any excuse for a pop, it's amazing

If I get some burning mini videos today I think this might top AoS release announcement as my favourite hobby day

So much for all FW rules being available at launch.

 Roleplayer wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
Sisters Part of Imperial agents :(

Like, in before people go 'youre getting rules like everyone else!'

Yes I know, the currently models will 'have rules.'

However, the fact that other factions (Deathwatch/GreyKnights) from Imperial Agents gets their named emblazoned on the cover, clearly shows GW don't consider Sisters to be 'a selling point' so not worth giving cover space too.

Which is an indication of how much love we can expect the line to get down the road. RIP.

I really hope the narrative for the first 8E expansion covers the story of the Adepta Sororitas being eaten by Daemons, who in turn are eaten by Tyranids, who then get exterminatus'd to ****. That way we can draw a line forever under this kind of pathetic martyrdom about whose space dollies are 'mistreated' the worst.

tneva82 wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
Ahh, so you are making assumptions.

in AoS,The 'ORDER' faction keyword gives you certain tables and abilities to pick from. If you want the cooler, better, more thematic bonuses, artefacts etc, you have to go for a specific faction.

SO MY ASSUMPTION is that this will be the case in 8th.

Let us see who is right

He didn't make any assumptions about what you get. What we do know is that multi-faction(ie say imperium and eldar) will make it harder for you to get command points. Apart from that we need to get glance on codexes.

Though you can still get dark angel bonuses and also eldar force. You just get less command points and less keyword synergies for abilities

It's been confirmed that certain wargear access won't be faction specific then? That's cool, chuck up a link then, it will be genuinely the first think I haven't liked from the new ed.

I'll buy six. I can then make a fort out of the BRBs.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:



Will we be getting a video of you drooling over your new starter set with a mildly glazed look, then?

I will be too busy enjoying the hobby goodness to spend time making a video

Enjoy being cross on the internet

 General Kroll wrote:
So much for all FW rules being available at launch.

Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.

All fw models will get rules, it will be in rulebooks sold by FW, one per faction i think.

 Rippy wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Yo where this guy at.

Spoiler:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
It's been confirmed that certain wargear access won't be faction specific then? That's cool, chuck up a link then, it will be genuinely the first think I haven't liked from the new ed.

Care to give example what wargear you are talking about? But looks like it works like this:

You take 1-n detachments. All models inside detachment need to share faction keyword. At most shallow that's "imperium" so you could literally have any imperial unit.

Now if you refer to faction specific wargear like dark angel standard pretty obvious option to take that is only on model that has faction keyword "dark angel". But you can still take that on detachment where all share keyword "imperium"

Now will there be some specific bonuses if you take detachment with keyword "dark angel" on all? Not known, quite likely.

Then since you can take more than one detachment second detachment can be all different. Maybe all are IG and you get IG specific bonuses for that detachment? Or even go for combined eldar force or specialized biel-tan force.

How the units between 2 detachment works out we don't know. Presumably there's some sort of ally level like 7th ed.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:



Will we be getting a video of you drooling over your new starter set with a mildly glazed look, then?

I will be too busy enjoying the hobby goodness to spend time making a video

Enjoy being cross on the internet

Making a joke is being cross on the internet now?

Oh you are really trying hard now!

It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

All you have done in this thread is moan moan moan, pick pick pick.

You enjoy the hobby your way, I'll enjoy it mine

Eyjio wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
So much for all FW rules being available at launch.

Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.

No they aren't. They will be available in separate indexes hopefully by the end of June. And we all know how good FW are with getting stuff out on time, don't we.

Eyjio wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
So much for all FW rules being available at launch.

Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.

No. First chaos/imperium, rest on separate books end of june. Guess they were tad too late to get all on release.

tneva82 wrote:

Eyjio wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
So much for all FW rules being available at launch.

Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.

No. First chaos/imperium, rest on separate books end of june. Guess they were tad too late to get all on release.

They couldn't resist to make money, i hoped they will do the same as for gw products, 5 books for everything but no. And every book will be like 50 euros yeah.

I am hype!!!
Now to figure out whether to get a separate box of nurgle terminators+zombies+rule book, or the starter set + separate box of terminators.
So many options, so little money!


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And a book on release featuring DG + UM. What a time to be a Death Guard fan boy!
HURRY UP JUNE 17TH!

The numarines are rather bland :/
Dg stuff is top notch though. Still, i think dark vengeance minis were better overall.

Really like that they give the rules for free.

Do people not understand how these indexes work? They're just exactly the same as the grand alliance battle tomes. When they release a codex, all the rules will be in there. Its just if you dont want to download 15 pdfs before the codexes release.

completely. optional.

tneva82 wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
It's been confirmed that certain wargear access won't be faction specific then? That's cool, chuck up a link then, it will be genuinely the first think I haven't liked from the new ed.

Care to give example what wargear you are talking about? But looks like it works like this:

You take 1-n detachments. All models inside detachment need to share faction keyword. At most shallow that's "imperium" so you could literally have any imperial unit.

Now if you refer to faction specific wargear like dark angel standard pretty obvious option to take that is only on model that has faction keyword "dark angel". But you can still take that on detachment where all share keyword "imperium"

Now will there be some specific bonuses if you take detachment with keyword "dark angel" on all? Not known, quite likely.

Then since you can take more than one detachment second detachment can be all different. Maybe all are IG and you get IG specific bonuses for that detachment? Or even go for combined eldar force or specialized biel-tan force.

How the units between 2 detachment works out we don't know. Presumably there's some sort of ally level like 7th ed.

So for my assumptions, I'll be using the way AoS sets things up. This, in my opinion, is a fairly safe assumption when you look at the development of AoS and what has made it into 40k.

You have a overarching faction of 'IMPERIUM'. This will contain some wargear, abilities, cool stuffs that are accessible for anyone with that keyword.

In a specific codex, you will have a specific faction keyword. Lets go 'BLOOD ANGEL'. if the entire faction has this keyword, you can select from the 'BLOOD ANGEL' wargear/standards/armour.

This is exactly how AoS works. If you want the cool shield that gives -2 to all shooting, you need to stay in faction 'STORMCAST'. You can go 'ORDER' but then you get the slightly worse list.

You are conveniently saying 'well we don't know allies rules' as making any reasonable assumption based on the other GW product would invalidate your position somewhat.

There was someone some posts back worried about the Sororitas. Here, found this in the FB comments:

little-killer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Eyjio wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
So much for all FW rules being available at launch.

Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.

No. First chaos/imperium, rest on separate books end of june. Guess they were tad too late to get all on release.

They couldn't resist to make money, i hoped they will do the same as for gw products, 5 books for everything but no. And every book will be like 50 euros yeah.

Sounds like it to me. I've only got one model that needs forgeworld rules. No way am I going to pay £50 just to use that. It currently has free PDF rules on the FW website, but those will be obsolete come the 17th.

Looks like my Deredeo will be shelved until I can find a pirate copy of the new IA book.

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Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....

I like all of the Primaris Marines. Going to see if I can go halfsies with someone from the local group. I am going to need to cut the heads off the helmetless Marines and put the helmets attached to their waists on their heads. Shouldn't be too hard.

I actually like the Inceptor Squads. Their legs look weird because they have platforms that they are standing on. My Blood Angels will like them. I am thinking my Crimson Fists and Blood Angels will each get a Captain and Intercessor Squad, Blood Angels will get the Inceptors, Crimson Fists will get the Hellblaizers, and Crimson Fists will get the Gravis(seriously, though, Gravis looks like gravid, which means pregnant, and his gut sticks out...) dude and Banner Bearer.

They haven't said the unit rules will be free online, so as per their latest info they're not optional. The Rulebook is as the rules are free. They haven't said unit rules are free. In fact they've repeated 'cheap books available on launch with unit rules in'z

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....

What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.

Still sad that it appears that Terrminators are a thing of the past for Loyalists, Gravis really doesn't have the same feel to it as Terminator :(
Hopefully they call it Gravis Terminator armour.

 Don Savik wrote:
Do people not understand how these indexes work? They're just exactly the same as the grand alliance battle tomes. When they release a codex, all the rules will be in there. Its just if you dont want to download 15 pdfs before the codexes release.

completely. optional.

Assuming you don't want matched play points. Those are on paid books. Not for free.

Of course you COULD wait for codex for your specific army but...That's a long wait for some armies.