Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Nocturnus wrote:
pretre wrote:
From someone who visited a local store:

So I spent a while at the GW Portland store yesterday. And I learned some interesting things:

1. This week was the largest grossing week in GW North American history.

2. The rumors about fantasy only being 15% of GW sales was true, but that was AFTER end times, and end times doubled fantasy sales. So prior to end times, fantasy was pulling in only 7-8% of revenue.

3. The store has played about 60 games of Age of Sigmar so far, and all but two players loved it and wanted to buy it.

4. All the new models are upping the scale to a more 32mm format.

5. New orcs sound very World of Warcraft in aesthetic. Lots of animal pelts and bone helmets, very beastial - since they now come from the realm of beasts.

6. GW has told store staff that there will be new model releases for AoS every week as far into the future as they currently project. They are committed to at least one new blister a week forever.

Standard store disclaimer.

Sorry but I call BS in terms of the volume of sales.

I think it's not impossible,

remember this is when the 'non forum' world woke up to the fact the WHFB was going away and I suspect there's been a bunch of people buying all the minis they have been putting off getting just in case they get removed

plus the WHFB player who decided stick with GW (as that's the only company they play) but don;'t want to move to Sigmarillion and jumped ship to 40K instead

**migooo**

I think that it's possible but from what I'm hearing lots of kits will get the axe so yeah I see people buying stuff in order to get something they always wanted.

**reds8n**

Crossposting over from the BL thread :

http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl

Chris Wraight is the author behind ‘The Gates of Azyr’, the very first Black Library story set in the Age of Sigmar. Being the lovely chap that he is, he sat down with us for a few minutes to talk about the book.

BL – Hi Chris! Thanks for talking to us. What was it like to write the very first Warhammer Age of Sigmar fiction from Black Library?

CW – About as daunting as you could imagine! As with the End Times, I was writing in parallel with the Studio developing background, all in deadly secret, and it was initially a challenge to get the whole 'feel' of the new world and its denizens. Thankfully there was lots of superb artwork available to look at, which was invaluable, and I got the chance to see some of the models and chat to the world's designers ahead of time. I suspect that, just like Warhammer did, the world of the Age of Sigmar will evolve as the setting beds in, but it was a fascinating experience to help start it moving.

BL – How did you approach writing the Stormcast, a brand new faction?

CW – The Stormcast Eternals really are like nothing from the old Warhammer world. You could perhaps say there’s a bit of warrior priest, crossed with a high elf aesthetic, mixed in with some Bretonnian, but they're essentially a complete departure. There might be some Warhammer 40,000 inspiration there, but I tried not to make that too literal. Stormcast Eternals are mortal and fallible in a sense that Space Marines aren't, for example, despite their elevated status. As hopefully comes across in the story, they don't really know who they are yet – they're brand new, thrown into a world that has never seen anything like them before. They'll change things, and they'll be changed in turn.

BL – Which characters were the most enjoyable to write, and why?

CW – I probably enjoyed writing about the hapless mortals in the Realm of Fire best, as they're really our eyes into the new and terrifying world of Aqshy. Although they're one of the first things we see in the book, they're not the stars – the Stormcast and the Goretide are the heroes and villains. So I'd go for Ionus Cryptborn as the most fun to write. He's really intriguing, and I hope we'll see his story develop, as I'm sure there's lots of dark corners in his psyche to unlock…

BL – Is there any more Warhammer Age of Sigmar on the horizon from you?

CW – Right now I'm very busy writing a Horus Heresy novel that follows on from ‘Scars’. That'll keep me fully occupied for a while, so I'm not really looking beyond that at the moment. I'd love to go back to the Mortal Realms when the schedule allows, but in the meantime I'll be looking forward to seeing what other stories will be coming out in due course – there are many more in the pipeline, so it'll be fascinating to see where the setting goes.

BL – Thanks, Chris. There are indeed many more Warhammer Age of Sigmar stories coming soon, but there’s no better place to start than ‘The Gates of Azyr’, which (as Chris noted) establishes the world and sees the Stormcast Eternals battling in the Mortal Realms for the first time. The eBook will be available to download from midnight, and if you prefer a dead tree version, you can order the Limited Edition now!

**Accolade**

Well, at least he's honest about the Space Marine v. Stormcast comparison!

**HairySticks**

Dunno if im just late to the party with htis, but just seen it and its making me crease myself ~

This guy, is so upset by GW that he's actually set fire to his warhammer collection.

I've been umming and arring about how I feel on AoS... but this...
This is the single best thing GW has ever done... cus its driven asshats like that out of the community

I dunno about everyone else, but I've never once stepped into a hobby shop and not been met by 'that guy'.... the regular customer who's always there with an attitude so stinky that its driving away anyone potentially new to the group. Its the same guy who has nothing better to do with his time too.
They probably dont mean to be repulsive with their attitudes, but really, they were terrible for it. Pushing them away by changing the game this way may or may not have been intentional, but its a godsend

Never been so happy to see people rage quit!

**Donomar**

HairySticks wrote:
Dunno if im just late to the party with htis, but just seen it and its making me crease myself ~

This guy, is so upset by GW that he's actually set fire to his warhammer collection.

I've been umming and arring about how I feel on AoS... but this...
This is the single best thing GW has ever done... cus its driven asshats like that out of the community
I dunno about everyone else, but I've never once stepped into a hobby shop and not been met by 'that guy'.... the regular customer who's always there with an attitude so stinky that its driving away anyone potentially new to the group. Its the same guy who has nothing better to do with his time too.
They probably dont mean to be repulsive with their attitudes, but really, they were terrible for it. Pushing them away by changing the game this way may or may not have been intentional, but its a godsend Never been so happy to see people rage quit!

You've probably seen it at this stage but it's been discussed at length in the last few pages of the thread!

I think you'll find a lot of people here, who dislike the transformation of WHFB to AoS, sharing the same views about that guys behaviour as those who like AoS.

**JohnHwangDD**

HairySticks wrote:
Dunno if im just late to the party with htis, but just seen it and its making me crease myself ~

This guy, is so upset by GW that he's actually set fire to his warhammer collection.

Never been so happy to see people rage quit!

Thanks, this might just be the single best thing I've seen all week!

Dude has what appears to be at least a few grand in Dark Elfs, and he just burned them up, rather than throwing the pile on eBay to cash out.

I don't know about you, but I never get so mad that I'd just burn a pile of stuff that I could easily sell for couple thousand dollars.

**timetowaste85**

gorgon wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
Motograter wrote:
Anyone seen the video where the guy sets fire to his fantasy army because he doesn't like age of sigmar? Rather sad and pathetic

Lol someone's done that? Wow.

Just imagine having a video of yourself out there for posterity, confirming that:

1) I'm a grown man who plays with little toy soldiers.

2) I got so angry over some rule changes to a game that I destroyed the playing pieces in which I'd invested hundreds of dollars and countless hours.

3) I took the time and care to video my destructive little tantrum because I thought others would care deeply about how badly I was "wronged."

It kinda begs the question as to how that loser handles *ANYTHING* that happens in his life.

That wasn't a few hundred bucks. I watched. It was over a thousand. fething nutter. He needs help.

**kronk**

Nocturnus wrote:
pretre wrote:
From someone who visited a local store:

So I spent a while at the GW Portland store yesterday. And I learned some interesting things:

1. This week was the largest grossing week in GW North American history.

Standard store disclaimer.

Sorry but I call BS in terms of the volume of sales.

Yeah... My BS detector pegged out at 11 on that one.

**infinite_array**

HairySticks wrote:

This is the single best thing GW has ever done... cus its driven asshats like that out of the community
I dunno about everyone else, but I've never once stepped into a hobby shop and not been met by 'that guy'.... the regular customer who's always there with an attitude so stinky that its driving away anyone potentially new to the group. Its the same guy who has nothing better to do with his time too.
They probably dont mean to be repulsive with their attitudes, but really, they were terrible for it. Pushing them away by changing the game this way may or may not have been intentional, but its a godsend Never been so happy to see people rage quit!

Sorry, but what exactly has AoS done to remove these kinds of player from the scene? Because the only reason I've seen so far is "Well, now I have to agree to play with him, and I won't." But I never saw any rules in 8th Ed - from the short time that I played it - that stated you had to play anyone you made eye contact with, a la Pokemon. That kind of player is still going to stick around.

Don't get me wrong - that guy who's burning his minis is nuts (If he's actually doing that). I mean, I don't like AoS at all. But I'm just not going to play it.

**pretre**

kronk wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:
pretre wrote:
From someone who visited a local store:

So I spent a while at the GW Portland store yesterday. And I learned some interesting things:

1. This week was the largest grossing week in GW North American history.

Standard store disclaimer.

Sorry but I call BS in terms of the volume of sales.

Yeah... My BS detector pegged out at 11 on that one.

Hence the reason I said 'standard store disclaimer'.

**Agamemnon2**

timetowaste85 wrote:
That wasn't a few hundred bucks. I watched. It was over a thousand. fething nutter. He needs help.

Too bad he doesn't have his army to sell to pay for that professional help...

**Xyxox**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
HairySticks wrote:
Dunno if im just late to the party with htis, but just seen it and its making me crease myself ~

Spoiler:

This guy, is so upset by GW that he's actually set fire to his warhammer collection.

Never been so happy to see people rage quit!

Thanks, this might just be the single best thing I've seen all week!

Dude has what appears to be at least a few grand in Dark Elfs, and he just burned them up, rather than throwing the pile on eBay to cash out.

I don't know about you, but I never get so mad that I'd just burn a pile of stuff that I could easily sell for couple thousand dollars.

GW would be perfectly happy if everybody that ever got nerdrage over the changes they make decided to ragequit by burning up all the GW stuff they bought. They hate the competition from their own products being sold on eBay.

**CaulynDarr**

Nocturnus wrote:
pretre wrote:
From someone who visited a local store:

So I spent a while at the GW Portland store yesterday. And I learned some interesting things:

1. This week was the largest grossing week in GW North American history.

Standard store disclaimer.

Sorry but I call BS in terms of the volume of sales.

Wasn't NA sales pushing for LGSs to pick up ridiculous amounts of starters? If they where claiming those as sales, they could seriously front-load the numbers.

**wreeper007**

infinite_array wrote:
HairySticks wrote:

This is the single best thing GW has ever done... cus its driven asshats like that out of the community
I dunno about everyone else, but I've never once stepped into a hobby shop and not been met by 'that guy'.... the regular customer who's always there with an attitude so stinky that its driving away anyone potentially new to the group. Its the same guy who has nothing better to do with his time too.
They probably dont mean to be repulsive with their attitudes, but really, they were terrible for it. Pushing them away by changing the game this way may or may not have been intentional, but its a godsend Never been so happy to see people rage quit!

Sorry, but what exactly has AoS done to remove these kinds of player from the scene? Because the only reason I've seen so far is "Well, now I have to agree to play with him, and I won't." But I never saw any rules in 8th Ed - from the short time that I played it - that stated you had to play anyone you made eye contact with, a la Pokemon. That kind of player is still going to stick around.

Don't get me wrong - that guy who's burning his minis is nuts (If he's actually doing that). I mean, I don't like AoS at all. But I'm just not going to play it.

He is a guy at my local shop, and he did indeed burn them.

Just confirming the video is indeed real, not commenting further.

**455_PWR**

So that's dedication burning your army. Looks like most wasn't painted so I guess he didn't burn thousands of hard work hours. As for selling that on ebay for thousands? Nope never.

#1 - armies on secondary markets never sell for top dollar unless they are museum quality painted. Most healthy 40k armies sell for $200-$350 on ebay for an average army.

#2 - when games are no longer supported at the tournament level, prices and value fall (remember star wars minis?). Yes you can still use fantasy in AOS but those units will eventually be unusable due to power creep... gw wants to sell models! Look at mage knight and what happened.... mechwarrior, Swm, etc.

#3 - some folks are gamers and not collectors, they don't want to keep models they will never use. If they can't use them in tourneys like gencon... they are useless to them.

As for myself, I would never burn my dark angels. I love the models too much and have put hours into painting them to a high standard. I am a collector too and don't need them for gaming. I also never play in public tourneys... basement casual games with friends are just fine for me. I also know that even painted to a high standard.. I could never recoup the cost of 20000+ points of marines!

For this guy. I think the reasons I posted make sense. I don't blame him, in fact I admire his commitment and courage. I would have jumped into the flames to save my models! Gw also doesn't blame him as they made $ when he bought them... they could care less what we do with our models after we give them money.

**HairySticks**

wreeper007 wrote:

He is a guy at my local shop, and he did indeed burn them.

Just confirming the video is indeed real, not commenting further.

Thats ace, Made my day!
Poor guy, feel a bit bad for him that he could be so wound up by it.

I listened to as much of his rant as I could bare to, its not offensive to me personally... But im happy to see the toxic attitude going somewhere else. That attitude is my main beef with this hobby and a lot of us who enjoy it, theres always TFG that accidentally on purpose kills the atmosphere in every shop sporting gaming tables sucking the enjoyment out of the room by caring just that bit tooo much and taking it all a bit too personally.
If youve never encountered these guys, Im jelous! Where do you live can I come to you little hobby utopia lol?

Edit ~ apologies to re-bring up the vid if it got posted days ago, I've been reading this one a fair bit, but missed that bit. Only just seen it today personally.

**Thraxas Of Turai**

Do not know if these have been posted, but here are the pin badges you get/got for pre-ordering:

**oni**

Spoiler:

A comp systems are fine and well, but how absurdly complex is this nonsense?

My whole tone on AoS has taken a complete 180. This game is sizing up to be AMAZING!

I'm going to lay it all out here... We don't need points. A points system is a relic of the past, one that has been solidified in our ideals of how a war game should achieve balance, but he cold, hard reality is that a point system can unbalance a game as much as is can balance a game. I see and understand this clearer than ever now.
Let me tell you how this whole balancing act fiasco is going to play out... I hope.
When the new army books arrive they will have detachments similar to the Necron Decurion Detachment and Space Marine Gladius Strikeforce Detachment. You'll have a compulsory Core and some optional Auxiliary formations. These detachments will bring the balance that everyone desires. These style detachments are a built in composition system without the complexity of that nonsense above.

I have to believe that the core AoS rules allowed the whole "unbound" style format just to get the ball rolling for all existing armies. They will not be getting books any time soon and because the idea of the Decurion Detachment and Gladius Strikeforce Detachment are specific to their factions, carrying this over in the free compendiums wasn't realistic as all of those armies will be drastically changing; there simply wasn't anything left except to temporarily open the flood gates of "unbound".

**RazorMind**

http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

**gorgon**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
That wasn't a few hundred bucks. I watched. It was over a thousand. fething nutter. He needs help.

Too bad he doesn't have his army to sell to pay for that professional help...

Mostly he just needs to grow up and act like an adult.

The funny/sad thing is that the guy almost certainly has his chest puffed out and thinks he's a hero because we're talking about him.

**Azreal13**

RazorMind wrote:
http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

Seriously, if this keeps getting posted every page I'm sharing the Archers pic again.

**Xyxox**

Azreal13 wrote:
RazorMind wrote:
http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

Seriously, if this keeps getting posted every page I'm sharing the Archers pic again.

Exalted

**Accolade**

Azreal13 wrote:
RazorMind wrote:
http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

Seriously, if this keeps getting posted every page I'm sharing the Archers pic again.

If I keep seeing stuff about the looney tune who torched his models, I will start posting those archers sideways (since upside-down was already covered

)

**Grimtuff**

Vermis wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
What are the stupid special rules? Sudden death is easy to ignore and people are already coming up with tons of different ways to balance, so if those are your biggest complaints, especially seeing as you've been very negative previously, I'm very hopeful.

"It works great! As long as you ignore the RAW and place highly personal, arbitrary limits on yourself..."

That's Numberwang!

**Plumbumbarum**

Mymearan wrote:

Spoiler:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Vermis wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:

It would probably help with the noise if the incoming news weren't bad one after another. People calling out the bashing brigade conviniently ignore the fact that few pages ago we had news of possibly scrapping or toning down slaanesh, before there was a statue confirming their desperate dedication to all this, before there were models and art and there's still no balancing mechanics anywhere to be seen. It's like the people disapointed with all this were forbiden to comment on a constantly developing situation.

Couldn't have put it much better. If people keep expressing their disappointment, it's because GW keeps up the stream of stuff to be disappointed by. Some people think AoS is the best thing since sliced bread; some think it's one more nail in GW's coffin. Are we only allowed to discuss the news about it, in the news discussion thread, with the former viewpoint?

There's talk here about being thankful for the ignore button. I think that's pretty much par for the course. Can't say anything bad about GW. Can't point out AoS's problems. Can't point out alternatives for other disappointed people. Can't prompt an actual discussion. Be quiet. Be ignored.

In any case I'll be interested to see the next couple of half year reports, to see what effect those 10 people who didn't buy AoS had.

Not to mention rooting for it to fail is imo a valid stance just as any other and since when is it obligatory for an independent forum to come to positive conclusion about a product. Maybe the healtiest outcome is actualy a collective spiteful bashing and a sticky with 99 resons not to buy Ark of Simplicity.

Fun fact is that I'm not entirely there atm. I do root for it to fail in it's current form but there was a rumor at some point that the rules are going to let you choose between skirmish and ranked formation with adequate bonuses and drawbacks. If that was actualy a part of an advanced rules supplement and implememted properly, there was a balancing mechanism and they used the warsrolls potential to be a living faq then they could still win me over. Not as in rebase everything and buy sigmarines but like play a game once in a while, buy a good model here or there and not become a spiteful GW hater.

As for ignore button, I think ignoring a lot of things is the only way to enjoy GW especialy their new project so the button itch is kind of natural heh.

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Bull0 wrote:
Vermis wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:

It would probably help with the noise if the incoming news weren't bad one after another. People calling out the bashing brigade conviniently ignore the fact that few pages ago we had news of possibly scrapping or toning down slaanesh, before there was a statue confirming their desperate dedication to all this, before there were models and art and there's still no balancing mechanics anywhere to be seen. It's like the people disapointed with all this were forbiden to comment on a constantly developing situation.

Couldn't have put it much better. If people keep expressing their disappointment, it's because GW keeps up the stream of stuff to be disappointed by. Some people think AoS is the best thing since sliced bread; some think it's one more nail in GW's coffin. Are we only allowed to discuss the news about it, in the news discussion thread, with the former viewpoint?

There's talk here about being thankful for the ignore button. I think that's pretty much par for the course. Can't say anything bad about GW. Can't point out AoS's problems. Can't point out alternatives for other disappointed people. Can't prompt an actual discussion. Be quiet. Be ignored.

In any case I'll be interested to see the next couple of half year reports, to see what effect those 10 people who didn't buy AoS had.

None of those things are actually negatives unless you've already got your knickers in a twist. Toned down Slaanesh? Have they gone back through all the existing books adding black bars? No. Frankly nobody knows what's going on with Slaanesh, people are just leaping to negative conclusions. Statue "confirming their desperate dedication"? a) Why is them throwing some marketing effort behind something bad all of a sudden just because it's marketing a game without FOC and points b) who in their right mind gives a gak about a statue

So basically from where I'm standing it's negative bandwagoning where any tiny little thing is leapt on and blown up into some huge deal, and you sound like idiots.

Given how even the most negative rumors didnt reveal the truth about rules, it is safe to assume that anything can happen including the worst crap.

The statue showed quite clearly that this is indeed a main product not something that is going to coexist with for example 9th edition further down the line. It was negative news even if you dont take into acount how embarassing it is.

Putting iconic things on staues is one thing. Putting random crap on statues with a hope that it will make them apear iconic before you even know the reception is another lol.

Btw you state how none of those things are actualy negatives then ignore lack of balance mechanism also art and models which can be negative for sure for some and then state that it's all blown out and makes one sound like an idiot. Insulting baseless and selective, Age of Sycophants defender in a nutshell.

At least stop the "Age of gak/LolzGW" stuff because it makes you sound like a five-year old.

Well that must be me wanting to get more into target audience state of mind then. Lol. Btw five year old's mind is a beautiful place and I hope you got off your imaginary horse before calling me out on my maturity.

Also I have one for that special news here that I've never ever used yet:

"lulzbomb"

**Portugal Jones**

gorgon wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
That wasn't a few hundred bucks. I watched. It was over a thousand. fething nutter. He needs help.

Too bad he doesn't have his army to sell to pay for that professional help...

Mostly he just needs to grow up and act like an adult.

The funny/sad thing is that the guy almost certainly has his chest puffed out and thinks he's a hero because we're talking about him.

Oh well. They're his toys, and if he really wants to break them when he's done playing with them...

**pretre**

A silly thread reminded me of Vela's enormous 'chat conversation' about how Fantasy and 40k were going to be the same. So I finally went through and finished tallying the stuff I couldn't confirm until now. That adds the following to his record:

Vela
True - 5
False - 215
Partially True - 10

Ouch.

**Plumbumbarum**

kronk wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:
pretre wrote:
From someone who visited a local store:

So I spent a while at the GW Portland store yesterday. And I learned some interesting things:

1. This week was the largest grossing week in GW North American history.

Standard store disclaimer.

Sorry but I call BS in terms of the volume of sales.

Yeah... My BS detector pegged out at 11 on that one.

Must be guys buying the dice shaker.

**Relapse**

Portugal Jones wrote:
gorgon wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
That wasn't a few hundred bucks. I watched. It was over a thousand. fething nutter. He needs help.

Too bad he doesn't have his army to sell to pay for that professional help...

Mostly he just needs to grow up and act like an adult.

The funny/sad thing is that the guy almost certainly has his chest puffed out and thinks he's a hero because we're talking about him.

Oh well. They're his toys, and if he really wants to break them when he's done playing with them...

Kind of like a little kid wanting negative attention if they don't feel like people are noticing them enough.

He reminds me of a Demotivators poster of a sinking ship with the caption that reads, "Maybe the sole purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others"