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 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
I didn't expect it to be. If we drop in a small strike group, probably only 10-20 people big, on the Gargant, whilst the rest of the Imperial side holing off the plethora of orks, would that not work? I mean, it's a suggestion, but a fun one.

Keyword here is "land 10-20 people on the Ork equivalent of a Reaver Battle Titan." How do you propose that happens? Can't imagine there wouldn't be any AA guns around or Orks swarming the Gargant.

Drop them with jump-packs? Titus dropped from orbit onto a bloody ork krooza, which had anti-air weapons shooting at everything around it. Small targets would be very to hit. A thunderhawk would drop off the occupants several thousand metres from target, occupants would glide themselves to target, their so small that the gakky ork readers won't pick em up until its too late, then the occupants would reap havoc through the gargant. Easy.

What would happen if somebody boarded a Reaver Titan? The pilot's don't stand much if a chance now do they?

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
Drop them with jump-packs? Titus dropped from orbit onto a bloody ork krooza, which had anti-air weapons shooting at everything around it. Small targets would be very to hit. A thunderhawk would drop off the occupants several thousand metres from target, occupants would glide themselves to target, their so small that the gakky ork readers won't pick em up until its too late, then the occupants would reap havoc through the gargant. Easy.

What would happen if somebody boarded a Reaver Titan? The pilot's don't stand much if a chance now do they?

This is a bloody Ork Titan, Vanden. There is a pilot yes, but the primary mission of a Gargant is to deliver orks. You will get swarmed.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
Drop them with jump-packs? Titus dropped from orbit onto a bloody ork krooza, which had anti-air weapons shooting at everything around it. Small targets would be very to hit. A thunderhawk would drop off the occupants several thousand metres from target, occupants would glide themselves to target, their so small that the gakky ork readers won't pick em up until its too late, then the occupants would reap havoc through the gargant. Easy.

What would happen if somebody boarded a Reaver Titan? The pilot's don't stand much if a chance now do they?

This is a bloody Ork Titan, Vanden. There is a pilot yes, but the primary mission of a Gargant is to deliver orks. You will get swarmed.

Owww have I pissed you off?

Ultramarines Omnibus Vol. 2. A Shadow Captain and less then 10 marines infiltrate a Squat Leviathan. The blow it up.

20 Marines, probably an assortment of special characters, board a gargant, which of course has a lot of orks, but considering how elite this strikeforce would have to be, they wouldn't possess much of a threat unless they were in the thousands. A few well placed melta bombs, the entire thing comes down. I don't see whats so fething hard to understand.

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
Drop them with jump-packs? Titus dropped from orbit onto a bloody ork krooza, which had anti-air weapons shooting at everything around it. Small targets would be very to hit. A thunderhawk would drop off the occupants several thousand metres from target, occupants would glide themselves to target, their so small that the gakky ork readers won't pick em up until its too late, then the occupants would reap havoc through the gargant. Easy.

What would happen if somebody boarded a Reaver Titan? The pilot's don't stand much if a chance now do they?

This is a bloody Ork Titan, Vanden. There is a pilot yes, but the primary mission of a Gargant is to deliver orks. You will get swarmed.

Owww have I pissed you off?

Ultramarines Omnibus Vol. 2. A Shadow Captain and less then 10 marines infiltrate a Squat Leviathan. The blow it up.

20 Marines, probably an assortment of special characters, board a gargant, which of course has a lot of orks, but considering how elite this strikeforce would have to be, they wouldn't possess much of a threat unless they were in the thousands. A few well placed melta bombs, the entire thing comes down. I don't see whats so fething hard to understand.

How are 20 Marines going to get close to a Gargant?

*Facepalm*

I will say this slowly so you can understand.

20 Marines get on Thunderhawk

Thunderhawk flies up into the sky

Thunderhawk drops off the 20 Marines with jump-packs.

20 Marines with jump-packs then guide themselves down

20 Marines land on Gargant with few-no casualties because ork radars arn't good.

Understand?

It's not quite that simple. Your Thunderhawk has got to get past the fighta-bommaz and Ork anti-air dakka, of which there'll be a lot - it needs to drop 20 Marines off in the right spot for them to be able to land on the Gargant instead of falling face-first into a massive group of Orks and getting overwhelmed - this is a lot harder than it seems - and then they actually need to pull off the hot-drop without all getting blown out of the sky by aforementioned anti-air and planes, as well as the guns the Gargant will no doubt have loaded on the roof.

Sure, once you've actually made it onto the thing it'll be fairly easy, but the bit before that is absurdly tricky.

That seems fair, thats why we run Valkyries and such as interference. We have plenty of those.

It's definitely doable, though, especially by a bunch of Marine characters plot-armoured up the wazoo.

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
That seems fair, thats why we run Valkyries and such as interference. We have plenty of those.

That's not how you'll gain help from the 85th.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:
That seems fair, thats why we run Valkyries and such as interference. We have plenty of those.

That's not how you'll gain help from the 85th.

My Guard have a lot more than anyone. Use them

Wait... Who has the gargant? And can I get three please?

I mean, you guys could always go to the Knights for help. We love hunting big game.

Got a short blurb up. Enjoy lads.

 Robin5t wrote:
It's definitely doable, though, especially by a bunch of Marine characters plot-armoured up the wazoo.

This is a team effort. If he does it alone, it won't be pretty.

What about a large mine?

Nice chunk, WK.

As for this Gargant situation, I'll throw in my opinions.

1) Gargant is literally anything bigger than Stompa - we'd be looking at anything from Reaver to Warlord to Imperator Titan sized - seeing as we have word of GM that it's roughly Reaver sized, I can safely say that a Tau Manta is actually bigger (generally in weight and surface area - according to Forge World)

2) Ramming is risky. You run the risk of being shot down before arrival, and if you do hit, what's to say you don't hit one of the Gargant's redundant systems? It's not the go-to, simply because there's more Gargants than Thunderhawks. Each Thunderhawk allows the Marine chapter to be more mobile. You start depleting that mobility, and you start to lose what you can swiftly bring to a fight - not to mention the irreplaceable machine spirit in them.

3) Airdropping into an Ork shipyard with small amounts of men is prohibited by the Codex Astartes for a reason. The yard will be heaving with orks, and probably well equipped ones at that. All it takes is a single error, and the entire base will be hunting you down. Even if you make it onto the Reaver, there would be hundreds of orks in that, boarding crews, Meks - it would be very hard to get a team in. And you won't even know where the weak points are on the Gargant, due to the random ork construction: could be where you first come in, or the last room you check.

4) Running interference could work, seeing as the ork fighters would need some time to scramble. However, AA is still an issue, as is the hordes on the ground. Of course, those hordes would be severely damaged by an exploding Gargant, but you still need to make it explode.

Overall view - Risky. Very risky. Huge waste of Imperial resources if it fails. Definitely not approved by the Codex Astartes.
But I say you roll for it. There would be a lot of negative mods, but it's a risky op. No-one can stop you rolling, but you need to be aware of the consequences - not every action can or will succeed.

Personally, my take would be to get a small team of Scouts in, maybe under a set of barrels, set locator beacons and various demolition charges around the rim of the base, then co-ordinate a large scale Drop Pod assault alongside Terminator teleportations, and use shock and awe tactics. Of course, there would be a lot of Astartes casualties, but that's why you bring a lot.

Or, if it were my Tau, mark the construction site with Pathfinders in Orcas, use either stealth suits or the initial markerlights to guide missiles to destroy the AA, then the scrambling fighters, and then keep marking the Gargant's weak points and strage with my Manta and Tiger Sharks. Tiger Sharks should be able to bring it down in a few passes.

Perhaps the forces of the Imperium should meet ? And where is this ork horde ? Is it on the same moon as the dragon ? Wink wink nudge nudge

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
Perhaps the forces of the Imperium should meet ? And where is this ork horde ? Is it on the same moon as the dragon ? Wink wink nudge nudge

Betweem the Slaiderlands and Crenard's Hive on the first moon

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Nice chunk, WK.

As for this Gargant situation, I'll throw in my opinions.

1) Gargant is literally anything bigger than Stompa - we'd be looking at anything from Reaver to Warlord to Imperator Titan sized - seeing as we have word of GM that it's roughly Reaver sized, I can safely say that a Tau Manta is actually bigger (generally in weight and surface area - according to Forge World)

2) Ramming is risky. You run the risk of being shot down before arrival, and if you do hit, what's to say you don't hit one of the Gargant's redundant systems? It's not the go-to, simply because there's more Gargants than Thunderhawks. Each Thunderhawk allows the Marine chapter to be more mobile. You start depleting that mobility, and you start to lose what you can swiftly bring to a fight - not to mention the irreplaceable machine spirit in them.

3) Airdropping into an Ork shipyard with small amounts of men is prohibited by the Codex Astartes for a reason. The yard will be heaving with orks, and probably well equipped ones at that. All it takes is a single error, and the entire base will be hunting you down. Even if you make it onto the Reaver, there would be hundreds of orks in that, boarding crews, Meks - it would be very hard to get a team in. And you won't even know where the weak points are on the Gargant, due to the random ork construction: could be where you first come in, or the last room you check.

4) Running interference could work, seeing as the ork fighters would need some time to scramble. However, AA is still an issue, as is the hordes on the ground. Of course, those hordes would be severely damaged by an exploding Gargant, but you still need to make it explode.

Overall view - Risky. Very risky. Huge waste of Imperial resources if it fails. Definitely not approved by the Codex Astartes.
But I say you roll for it. There would be a lot of negative mods, but it's a risky op. No-one can stop you rolling, but you need to be aware of the consequences - not every action can or will succeed.

Personally, my take would be to get a small team of Scouts in, maybe under a set of barrels, set locator beacons and various demolition charges around the rim of the base, then co-ordinate a large scale Drop Pod assault alongside Terminator teleportations, and use shock and awe tactics. Of course, there would be a lot of Astartes casualties, but that's why you bring a lot.

Or, if it were my Tau, mark the construction site with Pathfinders in Orcas, use either stealth suits or the initial markerlights to guide missiles to destroy the AA, then the scrambling fighters, and then keep marking the Gargant's weak points and strage with my Manta and Tiger Sharks. Tiger Sharks should be able to bring it down in a few passes.

Now, this shed a wee bit of light onto the situation. Nevertheless, a melta bomb on a gargant is still a melta bomb. It's almost guaranteed to do some damage, having say, ten melta bombs on the Gargant would be devastating. Getting on it would be the trickiest, thats why I said for the Imperial line to engage the orks, fighters running interference and whatnot. This group would also have to be the elite of the elite, and I was going to see if I could roster in the best of everybodies Astartes to participate in it.

C'mon, you can't say that wouldn't be fun...

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
Perhaps the forces of the Imperium should meet ? And where is this ork horde ? Is it on the same moon as the dragon ? Wink wink nudge nudge

Betweem the Slaiderlands and Crenard's Hive on the first moon

If any forces of the Imperium want to help to help me evict my new neighbors it would be appreciated.

 Irishpeacockz wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
Perhaps the forces of the Imperium should meet ? And where is this ork horde ? Is it on the same moon as the dragon ? Wink wink nudge nudge

Betweem the Slaiderlands and Crenard's Hive on the first moon

If any forces of the Imperium want to help to help me evict my new neighbors it would be appreciated.

Call me up babe, on 0469-666-123

Like seriously, call up a Imperial meeting. Gak will happen then.

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:

 Irishpeacockz wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Irishpeacockz wrote:
Perhaps the forces of the Imperium should meet ? And where is this ork horde ? Is it on the same moon as the dragon ? Wink wink nudge nudge

Betweem the Slaiderlands and Crenard's Hive on the first moon

If any forces of the Imperium want to help to help me evict my new neighbors it would be appreciated.

Call me up babe, on 0469-666-123

Like seriously, call up a Imperial meeting. Gak will happen then.

I will if someone else could write it as im struggling to get out a piece that i have been writing for like a week

I would volunteer as tribute, but I'm struggling top write about my Guard atm so...

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Nice chunk, WK.

As for this Gargant situation, I'll throw in my opinions.

1) Gargant is literally anything bigger than Stompa - we'd be looking at anything from Reaver to Warlord to Imperator Titan sized - seeing as we have word of GM that it's roughly Reaver sized, I can safely say that a Tau Manta is actually bigger (generally in weight and surface area - according to Forge World)

2) Ramming is risky. You run the risk of being shot down before arrival, and if you do hit, what's to say you don't hit one of the Gargant's redundant systems? It's not the go-to, simply because there's more Gargants than Thunderhawks. Each Thunderhawk allows the Marine chapter to be more mobile. You start depleting that mobility, and you start to lose what you can swiftly bring to a fight - not to mention the irreplaceable machine spirit in them.

3) Airdropping into an Ork shipyard with small amounts of men is prohibited by the Codex Astartes for a reason. The yard will be heaving with orks, and probably well equipped ones at that. All it takes is a single error, and the entire base will be hunting you down. Even if you make it onto the Reaver, there would be hundreds of orks in that, boarding crews, Meks - it would be very hard to get a team in. And you won't even know where the weak points are on the Gargant, due to the random ork construction: could be where you first come in, or the last room you check.

4) Running interference could work, seeing as the ork fighters would need some time to scramble. However, AA is still an issue, as is the hordes on the ground. Of course, those hordes would be severely damaged by an exploding Gargant, but you still need to make it explode.

Overall view - Risky. Very risky. Huge waste of Imperial resources if it fails. Definitely not approved by the Codex Astartes.
But I say you roll for it. There would be a lot of negative mods, but it's a risky op. No-one can stop you rolling, but you need to be aware of the consequences - not every action can or will succeed.

Personally, my take would be to get a small team of Scouts in, maybe under a set of barrels, set locator beacons and various demolition charges around the rim of the base, then co-ordinate a large scale Drop Pod assault alongside Terminator teleportations, and use shock and awe tactics. Of course, there would be a lot of Astartes casualties, but that's why you bring a lot.

Or, if it were my Tau, mark the construction site with Pathfinders in Orcas, use either stealth suits or the initial markerlights to guide missiles to destroy the AA, then the scrambling fighters, and then keep marking the Gargant's weak points and strage with my Manta and Tiger Sharks. Tiger Sharks should be able to bring it down in a few passes.

Now, this shed a wee bit of light onto the situation. Nevertheless, a melta bomb on a gargant is still a melta bomb. It's almost guaranteed to do some damage, having say, ten melta bombs on the Gargant would be devastating. Getting on it would be the trickiest, thats why I said for the Imperial line to engage the orks, fighters running interference and whatnot. This group would also have to be the elite of the elite, and I was going to see if I could roster in the best of everybodies Astartes to participate in it.

C'mon, you can't say that wouldn't be fun...

The Codex Astartes does not support this action. As Chapter Master of the Arbiters of Truth, I would recommend to my Brothers of Dorn that we fortify the Orbital Elevator and the space leading up to it and leave the assault business to the Vlka Fenryka, the Carcharodons Astra and the Knight Titans.

(Being a Chapter Master of a later founding, I think I have the second most political power with the Inquisition having the most.)

I have 160 battle ready space wolves..... Kh and thunderwolf cavalry

We got close combat.

Well my base is open for such a meeting, grimjoy hive.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Sgt. Vanden wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Nice chunk, WK.

As for this Gargant situation, I'll throw in my opinions.

1) Gargant is literally anything bigger than Stompa - we'd be looking at anything from Reaver to Warlord to Imperator Titan sized - seeing as we have word of GM that it's roughly Reaver sized, I can safely say that a Tau Manta is actually bigger (generally in weight and surface area - according to Forge World)

2) Ramming is risky. You run the risk of being shot down before arrival, and if you do hit, what's to say you don't hit one of the Gargant's redundant systems? It's not the go-to, simply because there's more Gargants than Thunderhawks. Each Thunderhawk allows the Marine chapter to be more mobile. You start depleting that mobility, and you start to lose what you can swiftly bring to a fight - not to mention the irreplaceable machine spirit in them.

3) Airdropping into an Ork shipyard with small amounts of men is prohibited by the Codex Astartes for a reason. The yard will be heaving with orks, and probably well equipped ones at that. All it takes is a single error, and the entire base will be hunting you down. Even if you make it onto the Reaver, there would be hundreds of orks in that, boarding crews, Meks - it would be very hard to get a team in. And you won't even know where the weak points are on the Gargant, due to the random ork construction: could be where you first come in, or the last room you check.

4) Running interference could work, seeing as the ork fighters would need some time to scramble. However, AA is still an issue, as is the hordes on the ground. Of course, those hordes would be severely damaged by an exploding Gargant, but you still need to make it explode.

Overall view - Risky. Very risky. Huge waste of Imperial resources if it fails. Definitely not approved by the Codex Astartes.
But I say you roll for it. There would be a lot of negative mods, but it's a risky op. No-one can stop you rolling, but you need to be aware of the consequences - not every action can or will succeed.

Personally, my take would be to get a small team of Scouts in, maybe under a set of barrels, set locator beacons and various demolition charges around the rim of the base, then co-ordinate a large scale Drop Pod assault alongside Terminator teleportations, and use shock and awe tactics. Of course, there would be a lot of Astartes casualties, but that's why you bring a lot.

Or, if it were my Tau, mark the construction site with Pathfinders in Orcas, use either stealth suits or the initial markerlights to guide missiles to destroy the AA, then the scrambling fighters, and then keep marking the Gargant's weak points and strage with my Manta and Tiger Sharks. Tiger Sharks should be able to bring it down in a few passes.

Now, this shed a wee bit of light onto the situation. Nevertheless, a melta bomb on a gargant is still a melta bomb. It's almost guaranteed to do some damage, having say, ten melta bombs on the Gargant would be devastating. Getting on it would be the trickiest, thats why I said for the Imperial line to engage the orks, fighters running interference and whatnot. This group would also have to be the elite of the elite, and I was going to see if I could roster in the best of everybodies Astartes to participate in it.

C'mon, you can't say that wouldn't be fun...

The Codex Astartes does not support this action. As Chapter Master of the Arbiters of Truth, I would recommend to my Brothers of Dorn that we fortify the Orbital Elevator and the space leading up to it and leave the assault business to the Vlka Fenryka, the Carcharodons Astra and the Knight Titans.

(Being a Chapter Master of a later founding, I think I have the second most political power with the Inquisition having the most.)

Well, where are we going to fight these damnable creatures? It would be better to fight them on our terms, if anything.

Might I remind you that Moon #1 geography consists of 2 islands. Islands are formed by volcanos and volcanos make mountains. The Gargant will most likely have to go through the lowlands when the tide is out...

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Might I remind you that Moon #1 geography consists of 2 islands. Islands are formed by volcanos and volcanos make mountains. The Gargant will most likely have to go through the lowlands when the tide is out...

Can somebody with a little geographical knowledge explain what he means by this?

Then we blow put its mobility and cause the orks to down as the sons of Dorn hold the line at the coast?

Topple the gargant unto a ochen.

Or we just drop a entire .lubtiab on them as they have to pass a narrow pass.