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Ashiraya wrote: Oh right, they called it a battle cannon. That sort of flew over my head since, while it's absolutely oversized for its hull, it's dwarfed by the LR gun.
You should google one of the Hippogryph inspiration the french AMX-10 RC; the 105 mm cannon on that thing looks even more oversized. It's actually longer than the vehicle itself. The last remaining of those "tank destroyers" are currently serving in Ukraine last I checked. Ironically, the Hippogryph armed with the melta or lascannon loors a bit more like the Amx-10 RC's replacement, the EBRC Jaguar. I wonder if it's pure coincidence or if the design team took direct inspiration from French armored recon vehicles.
The_Real_Chris wrote: Shame they don't re-do the whole Guard range to remove bolt weapons, leave them for astartes. Lasers and stubbers would be a great aesthetic.
And chain swords and power fists. Those should only be weapons of Astartes.
First they came for our Jetbikes, then our speeders and Rhino's. Long live the Imperial guard you giant mutant freaks.
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The_Real_Chris wrote: Shame they don't re-do the whole Guard range to remove bolt weapons, leave them for astartes. Lasers and stubbers would be a great aesthetic.
And chain swords and power fists. Those should only be weapons of Astartes.
First they came for our Jetbikes, then our speeders and Rhino's. Long live the Imperial guard you giant mutant freaks.
UR-025 wrote: Games Workshop's decision to announce new models at Adepticon is seen by some as supportive of third-party or "independent" gaming events. However in many ways it served to take attention from other third-party or "independent" gaming companies at the same event.
There are many pros and cons to consider.
The independents will get to show their products to a wider audience. If of the thousands that went there for GW alone a small percentage gets independent products it's a win.
Salute is a good example, the independent market share is not as rosy as many seem to think it is.
Please don't interact with the AI chat-bot. We shouldn't be encouraging it.
Frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down by the mods.
Thank you for the heads up. I had no idea about this.
Dudeface wrote: That they suddenly caved to internet bitching?
Wouldn't be the first time. See: Adepta Sororitas.
That was less 'internet bitching' and more 'they sent out a survey and got overwhleming feedback in favour'. The Adepta Sororitas won as a write-in candidate for 'what would you like to see in the future?'. A morte perpetua, Domine, libra nos.
Most recent internet bitching prior was deathwatch really
Let's be real, all of the following were 100% internet bitching based:
Indexes post 7th edition.
The platonic idea of caring about army balance in ANY way.
Points in Age of Sigmar.
Having any kind of media presence, social or otherwise.
Warhammer The Old World.
Any fix to any on release rules oversight (Stormraven, Ironhands, Harlequins, Index Eldar)
Acknowledging that tournaments exist and that people play in them
Any army release that isn't Space Marines
are you saying those are bad things?
Maybe there's some merit to this 'no one has media literacy thing'.
I'm saying internet bitching is a GOOD thing way more often then people want to admit.
I feel like the problem with measuring "internet complaining" is that the internet collectively has complained about almost every aspect imaginable in the hobby. Its up, down, left and right all at once.
Sisters of Battle is sort of a case in point. Some people clearly liked the faction - and would buy an army if GW released one again. Others were completely indifferent, even hostile. GW have to somehow guess there's enough in group 1 for it to be worthwhile. But in turn have people been crying out for Squats to come back? For say Emperors Children as a distinct faction? There's been a lot of chat about the six guys with Steel Legion armys they build 25 years ago who are still inexplicably in the hobby - but is anyone that bothered about Red Corsairs or Eldar Corsairs?
FWIW I'd have probably dabbled in Sisters if one of the guys I most regularly play hadn't made them "his army" instantly. (Same for Death Guard, although I did still dabble a little bit.) I'd like them to be White Rose though, and painting white is masochistic.
For a more modern argument - I don't like these new IG vehicles and think the Commissar trukk especially looks stupid. But I know several IG players who are sadly looking at their wallets talking about how much they are going to spend.
I think there was clearly a kneejerk shift between AoS 1.0 (barely a game) and 8th edition 40k (very much a game first over everything else). But was this due to very vocal internet complaining/mockery - or weak initial sales for AoS?
The big aim of GW of course is to stimulate "New edition, new army". These models haven't really done the trick for me. Not sure my complaining is going to matter. Have to see what's earmarked for very late 2026 perhaps.
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At what point does popular request become bitching?
Because I’m not convinced they’re at all the same thing.
Folk have been wanting Sisters Done Properly since 3rd Ed began. And instead GW flip flopped, and didn’t really give them anything new, barring redoing the tanks. And for many, an all metal army in the face of mass plasticification was less than appealing given the sheer expense. The flip flopping likely didn’t aid that, as who knew what the next incarnation might be?
Points for AoS. Again, that I’d say is more Popular Demand. I can’t recall the name of the genuine hero who did their own points that were then widely adopted. But the popularity of their efforts clearly reflected demand.
So, for clarity I’m not building to a “see, see, if we apply whichever definition I demand bitching actually achieves nothing” type thing. I just want to understand how others are defining it, and offering a second less loaded term of Popular Demand.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Because I’m not convinced they’re at all the same thing.
Folk have been wanting Sisters Done Properly since 3rd Ed began. And instead GW flip flopped, and didn’t really give them anything new, barring redoing the tanks. And for many, an all metal army in the face of mass plasticification was less than appealing given the sheer expense. The flip flopping likely didn’t aid that, as who knew what the next incarnation might be?
Points for AoS. Again, that I’d say is more Popular Demand. I can’t recall the name of the genuine hero who did their own points that were then widely adopted. But the popularity of their efforts clearly reflected demand.
So, for clarity I’m not building to a “see, see, if we apply whichever definition I demand bitching actually achieves nothing” type thing. I just want to understand how others are defining it, and offering a second less loaded term of Popular Demand.
Looking at steel legion, they're relevance and demand prior to March 2026 could be summed up at near 0. GW release yarrick, some people remember they exist. Suddenly YouTube videos and online posts pop up decrying "removal of fluff and simplification of the setting". Odd conspiracy crop up about politics. Content appears doom mongering the removal of a classic iconic regiment. People commence internet whinge. GW posts a paint guide on using existing minis to represent and notes they're reduced in number but still exist.
That is imo an example of the "bitching" process. Nobody lost anything at any point. No prior expectations or promises were missed. People generated a drama after the fact. The bulk of people complaining never wanted a steel legion force and likely won't buy one as a guess.
If complaining worked, I'd have to make a choice today of which supported games to choose from between WarCry and Battlefleet Gothic.
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
"Vulkan: There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age." "Ferrus: Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?" "Vulkan: I do not understand the question."
– A conversation between the X and XVIII Primarchs
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Complaining works but only if you are loud and numerous enough.
Space Marine fans are both, so they managed to get Deathwatch uncancelled.
The Warhammer community unfortunately isn't very good at solidarity (complaining on behalf of another faction losing stuff tends to be mocked instead...) so stuff without the sufficient fanbase to back up their complaints end up out of luck.
Looking at steel legion, they're relevance and demand prior to March 2026 could be summed up at near 0. GW release yarrick, some people remember they exist. Suddenly YouTube videos and online posts pop up decrying "removal of fluff and simplification of the setting". Odd conspiracy crop up about politics. Content appears doom mongering the removal of a classic iconic regiment. People commence internet whinge. GW posts a paint guide on using existing minis to represent and notes they're reduced in number but still exist.
That is imo an example of the "bitching" process. Nobody lost anything at any point. No prior expectations or promises were missed. People generated a drama after the fact. The bulk of people complaining never wanted a steel legion force and likely won't buy one as a guess.
You're right, no one seems to care about or discuss authentic Bolivian cuisine until you hype up taking everyone to a Bolivian restaurant next week as a treat, then you arrive at the local McDonald's with a Bolivian working the burger press. Suddenly all these chumps care about Bolivian food wtf!? Posers!
If the new setting were Mordia then people would have started clamouring wtf where are the mordians, ditto for whatever theatre the Elysian drop troops appeared in. Why reintroduce a setting linked to certain flavour of models while ignoring said models? Especially as it's pandering the the 40 year Olds who played in the era where SL was the hotness. Nostalgia bait without an actual product to sell, strange.
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Yeah, look at its post history. Obvious chatGPT stuff. I've reported it and I know others have too, I've no idea why it's not been acted on.
It's an account named after a Man of Iron imitating AI speak, while posting some obviously inaccurate stuff.
I'm pretty confident that's just someone doing some old-fashioned trolling.
RustyNumber wrote: Why reintroduce a setting linked to certain flavour of models while ignoring said models?
They're not. They're reintroducing Armageddon explicitly as a callback to 2nd edition marines vs orks, who are the main focus of this. The Yarrick stuff is the starter before the main course.
Looking at steel legion, they're relevance and demand prior to March 2026 could be summed up at near 0. GW release yarrick, some people remember they exist. Suddenly YouTube videos and online posts pop up decrying "removal of fluff and simplification of the setting". Odd conspiracy crop up about politics. Content appears doom mongering the removal of a classic iconic regiment. People commence internet whinge. GW posts a paint guide on using existing minis to represent and notes they're reduced in number but still exist.
That is imo an example of the "bitching" process. Nobody lost anything at any point. No prior expectations or promises were missed. People generated a drama after the fact. The bulk of people complaining never wanted a steel legion force and likely won't buy one as a guess.
You're right, no one seems to care about or discuss authentic Bolivian cuisine until you hype up taking everyone to a Bolivian restaurant next week as a treat, then you arrive at the local McDonald's with a Bolivian working the burger press. Suddenly all these chumps care about Bolivian food wtf!? Posers!
If the new setting were Mordia then people would have started clamouring wtf where are the mordians, ditto for whatever theatre the Elysian drop troops appeared in. Why reintroduce a setting linked to certain flavour of models while ignoring said models? Especially as it's pandering the the 40 year Olds who played in the era where SL was the hotness. Nostalgia bait without an actual product to sell, strange.
Did you clamour for a Steel Legion force before, during or after the reveals? Do you intend to put your mouth where your snark is and buy some?
Looking at steel legion, they're relevance and demand prior to March 2026 could be summed up at near 0. GW release yarrick, some people remember they exist. Suddenly YouTube videos and online posts pop up decrying "removal of fluff and simplification of the setting". Odd conspiracy crop up about politics. Content appears doom mongering the removal of a classic iconic regiment. People commence internet whinge. GW posts a paint guide on using existing minis to represent and notes they're reduced in number but still exist.
That is imo an example of the "bitching" process. Nobody lost anything at any point. No prior expectations or promises were missed. People generated a drama after the fact. The bulk of people complaining never wanted a steel legion force and likely won't buy one as a guess.
You're right, no one seems to care about or discuss authentic Bolivian cuisine until you hype up taking everyone to a Bolivian restaurant next week as a treat, then you arrive at the local McDonald's with a Bolivian working the burger press. Suddenly all these chumps care about Bolivian food wtf!? Posers!
If the new setting were Mordia then people would have started clamouring wtf where are the mordians, ditto for whatever theatre the Elysian drop troops appeared in. Why reintroduce a setting linked to certain flavour of models while ignoring said models? Especially as it's pandering the the 40 year Olds who played in the era where SL was the hotness. Nostalgia bait without an actual product to sell, strange.
Did you clamour for a Steel Legion force before, during or after the reveals? Do you intend to put your mouth where your snark is and buy some?
In order of your questions:
Before = No, because I already have a SL force from the 3e days. And I augmented it a bit a few years ago via a MTO or Last Chance to buy (I forget wich it was)
During/after = No, because I already have a SL force from the 3e days. And I augmented it a bit a few years ago via a MTO or Last Chance to buy (I forget wich it was)
Will I buy the "new" version of the SL in a few years? Yes I will. Because I have a standing army of every IG regiment (and version of the regiment) GWs released to date. Except Elysians (but thats just because I've never gotten around to building that one) & Krieg (a mix of FW resin + bulked out with the current plastics).
Yes, I have 3 complete & distinct forces of Cadians - 2e, 3e plastic, & 9e plastic. and 2 Catachan forces - 2e & 3e plastic.
So barring the unforeseen, I fully expect to have 2 SL forces.
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Ashiraya wrote: Complaining works but only if you are loud and numerous enough.
Space Marine fans are both, so they managed to get Deathwatch uncancelled.
But that's really nothing. Because GW was never going to stop selling DW models as they were already in the coming Agents book.
The only thing that happened was a change in what PDF dedicated DW only players accessed for their rules. Do I click on a Legends PDF or a non-legends PDF....
Either way, didn't cost GW anything.
New SL figures though? That's an investment of time & $. Concept art, figure design, the molds, production time, the packaging, the advertising....
But you want me to believe that a sudden outcry by a tiny # of people this past week was enough to convince GW to pull the trigger on making these investments? HaHaHa, NO.
We were always going to get these new SL figures.
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Did you clamour for a Steel Legion force before, during or after the reveals? Do you intend to put your mouth where your snark is and buy some?
Nah, I already have a bunch of the almost-SL guard minis from wargames atlantic and run them with free STL print not-chimeras for reasons of both price and interest in non-GW minis. But that shouldn't stop me from wading in when people are wrong on the internet. Or whinging about people whinging about people whinging etc
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Did you clamour for a Steel Legion force before, during or after the reveals? Do you intend to put your mouth where your snark is and buy some?
Nah, I already have a bunch of the almost-SL guard minis from wargames atlantic and run them with free STL print not-chimeras for reasons of both price and interest in non-GW minis. But that shouldn't stop me from wading in when people are wrong on the internet. Or whinging about people whinging about people whinging etc
Yeah fair play, I don't think it's unfair for people who like acrual main line armies that have been neglected to be annoyed that this happened though is my concern. There are rumours of big GK and DE releases, but GW hasn't flashed up artwork because there hasn't been an influencer led lashback.
Instead when you consider they can't make everything for everyone all the time, it might appear that guard having "minorly distinct infantry unit 11 or whatever" vs getting grotesque back or GK being the right size is a bit off.
Dudeface wrote: Instead when you consider they can't make everything for everyone all the time, it might appear that guard having "minorly distinct infantry unit 11 or whatever" vs getting grotesque back or GK being the right size is a bit off.
GW did it to themselves by making different model lines for the same units in the first place tho, and set expectations. We're also eagerly awaiting the (re)sculpt of the fourth armour mark in Heresy
Does this mean some bean counter somewhere has decided that a fourth plastic Guard line will sell better than Grotesques? Either that, or they straight up forgot the Haemonculi side of DE even exists, which seems equally likely at this point. Wracks have been Direct only for what, 3 editions?
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
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ccs wrote: But that's really nothing. Because GW was never going to stop selling DW models as they were already in the coming Agents book. The only thing that happened was a change in what PDF dedicated DW only players accessed for their rules. Do I click on a Legends PDF or a non-legends PDF...
It's not nothing, it's absolutely massive. The casual 40k community has become completely suffused with a competitive (or faux-competitive) mindset. Players who will never attend a tournament in their lives still obsess over winrates and tierlists. It's utterly saturated.
Your army being legends or not legends will, unless you are very lucky, decide if your army gets games at all, to say nothing of how few events permit legends.
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