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I've had a think about it and although I want more included in My pledge I'm ok with the price to mini ratio at the moment. (I may also have been drinking so this could change in sober light )

45 minis so less than £1.50 a mini with more to be added that's not bad in my book. Ideally I'd like warhammer quest levels of quantity and awesome but those days are gone :(

Quality is going to be the kicker for me but hopefully we'll hear more about the mars attacks plastic from gencon (I'm still worried that it will turn faces to mush).

The dollar value per mini isn't so bad at this point and should get better. It will really depend on if I've got the 100-150 to burn and feel like it on the last day, otherwise someone will get my early bird and I'll wait for retail.

If they get around to showing the custom character creation (this was a plan at some point right?) and it's good/not bad, that will really tilt me towards staying in. If I can run a board game that fairly simulates D&D (with some light character generation, and such) but it's still a boardgame as far as people can tell.... it'll be a nice gateway game to getting people into D&D itself.

I think the game is a good value so far, for me anyway.. and it will only get better as the campaign goes on I like playing Descent, but I'm looking forward to this one too, there's always room for more dungeons to crawl through.

Really like how the game looks with the BOW crew playing it. Sounds good with the add ons, and there seems to be a good head of steam on the upcoming expansions, as well.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Really like how the game looks with the BOW crew playing it. Sounds good with the add ons, and there seems to be a good head of steam on the upcoming expansions, as well.

you know, that was the only BoW video i have watched this year. I dislike Warrens attitude as well as the airs he puts on, but as a person he's a decent guy (having talked to him personally a few times via email)

 Cyporiean wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
That you paint yourself? No way, why bother? Go the extra 100 meters and get some hirst stuff.

So instead of having to paint it yourself, you'd rather cast it yourself.. and then have to paint it yourself?

Over MDF? While MDF can look great, it often requires quite a lot of work. May as well cast the Hirst stuff in many ways. Especially since you have unlimited casts after the upfront amount.




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One other thing worth noting is when we're discussing "value" that people will look at the figures differently. Boardgame PVC plastic might be ok, but it's not going to be the same as what I consider "proper" miniatures, and so I personally value them accordingly lower. The figures we've been shown so far look lovely, but they're not production plastic - they're likely resin masters painted to the best of what Mantic can source. Just like the MA figure previews have mould lines and soft details on the brains etc (from photos I've seen, anyway), the final figures will not likely be as sharp, or, well, good as what we've been shown for the ten or so models shown so far.

My biggest concern is the legs this game should have.

Those advanced rules better have a lot going for them.

As it stands, I'm seeing Dwarf King's Hold 4, which is what this game started as, but that was much more of a tactical game than an adventure one.

Campaigns, traps, enemy variety... that's what I'm looking for in an adventure game.

We're getting there, slowly but surely. Having that Salamander hero in the box will seal the deal for me. And the furniture. Abyssals and their Dwarf buddis too.

Maybe some dungeon critters to step on while we're at it.

Bioptic wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
This product isn't as "revolutionary" as the other ones were though imo, nor is it as targeted to us. It's targeted more at the casual boardgame market whereas Dreadball, Deadzone and Mars Attacks (not to mention KoW and WP) whilst light on the rules are still definitely tabletop wargames with a lot of depth. Because of all the choice we have that already exists in this area I think we're more picky than we otherwise would be, with already existing products doing exactly what this does it's harder to rationalize taking on the risk. While there are other skirmish games, DZ and MA were much more unique especially with the terrain, this doesn't have much that sets it apart as unique I don't think. We're just here because we're expecting "Mantic value" which we don't see yet.

I'm not 100% in agreement with this though. The fact is, there aren't very many dungeon crawl, miniature-based boardgames on the market right now. Heroquest is long out of print. Warhammer Quest is long out of print. Descent 1 is out of print. Descent 2 is freely available, and a good choice. Myth is less available (at least in the UK), and probably not a good choice in terms of rules. Shadows of Brimstone is a completely different setting, quite expensive ($100 per base box), but may prove to be a good choice. Although I personally think "roll to move" is insane. Various RPGs may be good choices, but are a completely different and usually more time-consuming experience.

There is definitely a niche for this kind of game, particularly one with a distinct rules set - the existence of Descent should not block the development of all vaguely similar games. I also think that the basic vs. advanced options for the game are extremely interesting, as my opportunities for gaming are normally heavily limited by time - I love the concept of a single box that I can take down the pub and play in 60-90 mins, but with the option of a massive blowout campaign where I can use my wargaming models for an almighty horde. I am actually currently seeing the value in the KS offering (given the pathetic amount of value £60 gives me in the UK on retail boardgames), but admit that this should and probably will be increased further.

I was at work earlier, so couldn't really respond to this post very well. There are 3 D&D boardgames on the market (Ravenloft, Ashadalon, Drizzzzzzzzt) all of which are in print, and, well, Hasbro. While they don't offer "proper" campaign rules, they're very playable, and intersect with much of the D&D range as feeder products, and also are cross-compatible with the Dungeon Command series of games. These are much more accessible than Descent V2, both in terms of starting to play and also distribution, because Hasbro. Not to mention that people have actually heard of D&D (and LotR). It's not an incredibly crowded space for the non-enthusiast, but there's stuff there with name recognition.

Of course, for us enthusiasts, we either own HQ, or can pick it up reasonably easily from eBay. Descent V1 is more challenging, but it can be done. Brimstone has yet to prove itself, and the western-Cthulhu setting makes it thematically quite different to the sword and sorcery niche that this fits into - and as you've said, Myth is well known by now as a poor-to-average choice by our kind.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
That you paint yourself? No way, why bother? Go the extra 100 meters and get some hirst stuff.

So instead of having to paint it yourself, you'd rather cast it yourself.. and then have to paint it yourself?

Over MDF? While MDF can look great, it often requires quite a lot of work. May as well cast the Hirst stuff in many ways. Especially since you have unlimited casts after the upfront amount.

Yep...

Next stretch goal is quite nice, 3 extra minis for a $10k stretch.

Also pretty obvious the next stretch is going to be for the plastic furniture

What leads you to that conclusion? Just curious, I kind of skimmed the update. Also the stretch is nice, increasing mini count in both the core game and first expansion.

The last two lines of the update are

This campaign has been barrels of fun so far and we’ve a major milestone goal coming up next, so we’re once again after your feedback as to where we should go…

So, pull up a pew by that table, grab that candle off those bookshelves and grab a drink from that chest over there. We’re all ears >

Yeah, totally glossed over that Thanks. Maybe that will make some people happy!

 scarletsquig wrote:
Next stretch goal is quite nice, 3 extra minis for a $10k stretch.

It's actually 5 - 3 Orcs, 1 Orcling base and a Mawbeast


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Oh, hang on - Only 5 if you're getting the expansion as well, my bad

I like that they are giving a sample of the Orcs and Goblins with the base pledge so I'll be able to check them out before purchasing the expansion right now I think I'll wait for it at retail as I'd want to see the sculpts - I find the O&G range to be very hit and miss. That and discount retail versus KS prices have been fairly similar from past experience it's onlt the bulk deals that work out better.

Well, these new stretches certainly are getting us closer to the crazy Mantic deals we're used to.

Once scenery drops and more races start entering the fray, I'm sure it will get even more crazy.

I'm curious if we'll see more types of Orcs as things progress. We still need our warlord!

I was hoping for a goblin warlord, change it up, but even grunt orcs are liable to challenge a goblin leader so dunno.

 GrimDork wrote:
I was hoping for a goblin warlord, change it up, but even grunt orcs are liable to challenge a goblin leader so dunno.

How'd you think the lizard got so fat?



The level of detail looks about right for a boardgame...

Yeah, I think this was the tipping point for me - there's like 50 figs in there after the Morax goal gets busted right? And I have a feeling the 400k stretch is definitely going to be plastic furniture. Yeah, I'm staying.

That's a killer mount.

...and there we are. Stretch goal to fill out the expansion pack.

 Azazelx wrote:
...and there we are. Stretch goal to fill out the expansion pack.

Unless I'm totally blind or illiterate, it adds to both the basic pledge and the expansion pack. Sound good to me on both counts.

 Azazelx wrote:
...and there we are. Stretch goal to fill out the expansion pack.

There will almost certainly be one more for the expansion for a boss. Probably that lizard a few posts up. At least, I hope so.

If the lizard goblin is in the expansion, it becomes an amazing deal and must-buy.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
...and there we are. Stretch goal to fill out the expansion pack.

Unless I'm totally blind or illiterate, it adds to both the basic pledge and the expansion pack. Sound good to me on both counts.

Not really my point at all. To make it much more explicit, that point being is that the $25 expansion packs are just as subject to having content removed from what is planned for release in order to provide us with "fake stretch goals" as the rest of the project has been.

 Azazelx wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
...and there we are. Stretch goal to fill out the expansion pack.

Unless I'm totally blind or illiterate, it adds to both the basic pledge and the expansion pack. Sound good to me on both counts.

Not really my point at all. To make it much more explicit, that point being is that the $25 expansion packs are just as subject to having content removed from what is planned for release in order to provide us with "fake stretch goals" as the rest of the project has been.

I dunno; it's entirely possible that tooling a fig costs a couple grand so a 10k stretch goal covers the design, sculpting, tooling and production costs. I'd rather have 10k-15k stretches that produce good stuff versus the KoW 5k stretches that have no room for error and we get KoW Trolls and Mummies.

I'm sure it does, but it's still dodgy as feth since they're asking for the same amount for the expansions as they were before. Same deal if they drop that lizard-riding goblin in as a boss (which might make the expack worthwhile for me, assuming I stay in).

The issue is that we know the prices are all based on what they intend to have in the sets by the completion of the campaign, so they've been showing us a rather long and boring set of underwhelming products in an attempt to keep us excited when they "add" a figure that's plainly supposed to be in the product to begin with.

I don't really consider anything we've seen to be a "stretch goal freebie", given that the game still isn't worth the hundred bucks they're asking. They're still adding in the stuff that's been removed, and we're yet to hit $100 value, let alone $100 to be paid a year out (plus shipping, pls expansions).

I'm hopeful that it will be by the end, but let's not pretend that there are any real freebies here. Everything is paid for in that $100. It's a particularly underwhelming campaign so far. We're halfway through, and there's not been anything exciting shown yet.


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I'm not angry at them. Just underwhelmed, a bit jaded and bored, and there are far more pressing and interesting things asking for my $100+ dollars right now. If anything, I'm a bit disappointed in them because I expected something a bit more exciting or interesting.

I love little fun games like this, when you can't get a solid DnD group together.

I'm in for 150, right now!

While it's of course abundantly clear that the majority of SGs so far were "fake", I've chosen to turn a blind eye to that and try to enjoy the ride

Though I have nudged my pledge down a bit and ordered one of the D&D boardgames as well, that strikes me as better value than $50 extra resin figures and tiles a year hence.