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Thing is, for a hundred bucks with a year's wait, it's not exactly perfect for the BGG crowd, either...

Boardgamers are pretty hardcore still aren't they? They just have different priorities. Does the wait bother them more than it does us? We don't like delays but we accept them unless they're substantially beyond the projected date.

Yeah, I don't even know where I'll be living or working one year from now. When I put it like that, the wait time is a big factor.

Edit: I should say, I really want this to succeed because I want a quick to play and campaign orientated dungeon crawler, and DKH is a fun game. It's more my personal financial situation that is causing second thoughts.

Yeah money is more limited and more hobby competition (that interests me) abounds. I mean money out of the question I prefer the extra things like the dungeon journal and some of the models really appeal to me.

I really need to print out the alpha and sheets/cards and see if I find it fun. If the game appeals to me as much as Dz/Ma, its worth the money now to get more scenarios and stuff later.

Otherwise this may be a good thing to look out for on miniature market's deal of the day next year .

I'll try to get clear photos of everything they bring to Indianapolis, if they don't mind and things aren't too crazy.

Yeah, I finally decided to drop out. Pre-launch I was actually pretty stoked about this, but I just haven't been feeling the excitement; basically I've been skimming through the updates announcing new stretch goals with a big yawn. Having read the rules I'm a bit unsure if this will be a game I'll enjoy, and I'm just not certain what I should be expecting with regards to the quality of the minis (I don't own any Mantic stuff). Taken together, it simply makes more sense for me to wait for retail when I can check out reviews before making a purchase.

 Alpharius wrote:
Mierce's next KS is looming large...

Yes... there is that. Plus, AntiMatter with its ShadowSea campaign has presently got it's hand deeply shoved into my wallet, groping around for more. As said, funds just aren't unlimited.

 Yonan wrote:
This product isn't as "revolutionary" as the other ones were though imo, nor is it as targeted to us. It's targeted more at the casual boardgame market whereas Dreadball, Deadzone and Mars Attacks (not to mention KoW and WP) whilst light on the rules are still definitely tabletop wargames with a lot of depth. Because of all the choice we have that already exists in this area I think we're more picky than we otherwise would be, with already existing products doing exactly what this does it's harder to rationalize taking on the risk. While there are other skirmish games, DZ and MA were much more unique especially with the terrain, this doesn't have much that sets it apart as unique I don't think. We're just here because we're expecting "Mantic value" which we don't see yet.

I'm not 100% in agreement with this though. The fact is, there aren't very many dungeon crawl, miniature-based boardgames on the market right now. Heroquest is long out of print. Warhammer Quest is long out of print. Descent 1 is out of print. Descent 2 is freely available, and a good choice. Myth is less available (at least in the UK), and probably not a good choice in terms of rules. Shadows of Brimstone is a completely different setting, quite expensive ($100 per base box), but may prove to be a good choice. Although I personally think "roll to move" is insane. Various RPGs may be good choices, but are a completely different and usually more time-consuming experience.

There is definitely a niche for this kind of game, particularly one with a distinct rules set - the existence of Descent should not block the development of all vaguely similar games. I also think that the basic vs. advanced options for the game are extremely interesting, as my opportunities for gaming are normally heavily limited by time - I love the concept of a single box that I can take down the pub and play in 60-90 mins, but with the option of a massive blowout campaign where I can use my wargaming models for an almighty horde. I am actually currently seeing the value in the KS offering (given the pathetic amount of value £60 gives me in the UK on retail boardgames), but admit that this should and probably will be increased further.

Yeah Im not worried about this being a good deal, I'm concerned if its a good deal that I need or want.

I've heard the rules compared to tower defense over dungeon crawl, can anyone comment? Haven't had a chance to try it out yet.

Well, I made that comparison further up the thread, and certainly when I played DKH it was a bit like that, at least for the basic scenarios. It's like Space Hulk, you know? Lots of thinking about lanes of advance, protecting certain avenues and positioning.

Whether it becomes more "explorey" with later scenarios and so on is not something that I can tell you though because my play experience is very limited (and only for DKH, not Dungeon Saga)

I'm not stoked either, but I'm also well aware of the ability to wait til the last day to see if it is worth it, which is what I'll do. I'm fairly confident it'll be worth my $100 by the end, so I'm not going to complain 18 days out.

That being said, I really really like the sculpts so far.


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Plus, wait, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't there 42 figures in the main plege now?


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Actually wait 42 on the pledge graphic plus we just got 3 free goblins and another hero shortly, so that's about 46 figs right now? Yeah, I think at this point it's worth me staying in.

And......add-on wednesday is underwhelming.

on the plus side i was able to add an extra grund to my package, allowing me to have a dwarf revenant king in my KoW army.

Yeah, the add-ons were pretty lame this week. They might not want this thing to blow up while a lot of their team is at Gen-Con. They said themselves they are leaving the newer people in charge of the KS while they are gone.

Or maybe I'm reading way too much into it...

Idk- 45 models (inc stretch models) plus all the other gubbinz they've thrown out there doesn't seem bad at all, VFM wise. I've pledged $1 so far to keep an eye on it. I guess I'll find out if I want a copy when the finish line's a bit closer.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Idk- 45 models (inc stretch models) plus all the other gubbinz they've thrown out there doesn't seem bad at all, VFM wise. I've pledged $1 so far to keep an eye on it. I guess I'll find out if I want a copy when the finish line's a bit closer.

That is what a lot of people are saying.

With all the resin figures from the base set now available, I think Mantic needs to add a collector's edition box set as an option (possibly even pledge level). Maybe only include the figures available at retail (so 2x the non-characters rather than 3x), but I'd definitely consider picking up a set with resin miniatures instead of restic, depending on the price.

 lord marcus wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Idk- 45 models (inc stretch models) plus all the other gubbinz they've thrown out there doesn't seem bad at all, VFM wise. I've pledged $1 so far to keep an eye on it. I guess I'll find out if I want a copy when the finish line's a bit closer.

That is what a lot of people are saying.

To be fair thats what I did with dbx, still need to finalise my pledge there as well.

for this one I jumped in with the $100 pledge, guess I'll goto $150 before the pledge manager to help keep it ticking over, then grab any extras I fancy in the pm.

I wonder if they'll do any timed exclusives like in mars attacks with the extra figs if you pledged early?

I think what might get people actually excited about this would be the 3d terrain they showed in one of the videos, still my favorite part of the old heroquest. Models, I've got tons of those, cool looking dungeon terrain.....can you ever have enough?

 Andrew1975 wrote:
I think what might get people actually excited about this would be the 3d terrain they showed in one of the videos, still my favorite part of the old heroquest. Models, I've got tons of those, cool looking dungeon terrain.....can you ever have enough?

I think not knowing whether or not the terrain will be upgraded is why Mantic hasn't given a retail price. The cost difference between having plastic terrain and cardboard terrain is significant.

In bulk, wouldn't plastic be cheaper than card?

 Azazelx wrote:
Thing is, for a hundred bucks with a year's wait, it's not exactly perfect for the BGG crowd, either...

Agreed. BGG'ers are pretty content waiting for retail, where they can find a boardgame at 20% - 30% off. Miniature's aren't important, gameplay is, and asking $100 for a boardgame is a bit much, even with the expansions. Additionally, BGG'ers want to know the rules beforehand. So far, we've only been shown the entry-level alpha rules. With these hardcore boardgamers used to Descent 2nd edition complexity, they need to be shown the Advanced Rules *and* MSRP before making a decision. Otherwise, why not wait for the $75 game be available for $50 at the OLGS had pay half as much money for the same gameplay?

I'm honestly quite unsure about this one myself still, I have been super-stoked about previous Mantic Kickstarters, even Mars Attacks where I basically got 68 minis, counters, rules, terrain for $15.

It was possible to build a pledge with 150+ minis for $150, so with this something close to 100 minis would be quite nice.

This is.. 44 minis currently. Some of them are resin, but I'm not interested in expensive resin, I'm a Mantic customer who wants hordes of cheap stuff. :p

It might all work out in the end, but the amount of resin in there might limit things a bit.

decker_cky wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
I think what might get people actually excited about this would be the 3d terrain they showed in one of the videos, still my favorite part of the old heroquest. Models, I've got tons of those, cool looking dungeon terrain.....can you ever have enough?

I think not knowing whether or not the terrain will be upgraded is why Mantic hasn't given a retail price. The cost difference between having plastic terrain and cardboard terrain is significant.

I suspect Mantic knows what plastic terrain they are going to include already. They are holding it back until either some emergency like a backslide in pledges, or to get the Final Push really moving (obviously their preference).

I do think it needs something to make it look more epic, atm as has been said the board looks a little small (not helped by the single square corridors) and there doesn't seem to be the hordes of enemies to fight.

The figures do look great tho, theres only the halfling warrior im not too keen on.

 edlowe wrote:
I do think it needs something to make it look more epic, atm as has been said the board looks a little small (not helped by the single square corridors) and there doesn't seem to be the hordes of enemies to fight.

The figures do look great tho, theres only the halfling warrior im not too keen on.

but...but....but....it's a Peter Dinklage look-alike!

Grim has summed it up well for me. I want stuff I haven't got - so rules, terrain, etc. Mini's for me in this one are a distant third in terms of value. If what I want is in the retail I will be shopping at Dark Sphere in a years time...

 CptJake wrote:

I suspect Mantic knows what plastic terrain they are going to include already. They are holding it back until either some emergency like a backslide in pledges, or to get the Final Push really moving (obviously their preference).

I agree with you here. Though at the moment, I'm starting to lean towards finally getting those Hirst Arts moulds I've wanted for years and a nice big bag of dental plaster.

I do like most of the sculpts. But will the promise of good rules and those undead troll sculpts (which are the only really unique/special sculpts here) be enough to keep me in?)

It doesn't have any pizzazz.
I'm in for now as MYTH was a bust for me but stylistically I haven't been impressed so far.
What I'm really looking for is something with Kingdom Deaths attention to detail and quality...but that I can play with my kidswithout getting on a watch list.

I'm wondering if with the add-ons we might get a set of MDF tiles like Dreadball had.

That you paint yourself? No way, why bother? Go the extra 100 meters and get some hirst stuff.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
That you paint yourself? No way, why bother? Go the extra 100 meters and get some hirst stuff.

So instead of having to paint it yourself, you'd rather cast it yourself.. and then have to paint it yourself?

 Cyporiean wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
That you paint yourself? No way, why bother? Go the extra 100 meters and get some hirst stuff.

So instead of having to paint it yourself, you'd rather cast it yourself.. and then have to paint it yourself?

There is a company that is licensed and sells premade, prepainted hirst projects.