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Let's take that chatter elsewhere please

GW might need to finish building that new factory before they're able to handle the demand from a Mordheim MTO.

There are single minis which top £100+ on ebay, I valued my modest collection the other day and it came to over £1000, not even any of the rare warbands in there either.

New rumours from Valrak -

* Empire release will not include a new knights unit (dunno if just delayed or previous rumour was wrong).
* Will include a new mounted Empire general, may be a character or not.
* Will be a new wizard kit (presumably hedge wizards as the College of Magics haven't been founded to the existing models don't really work)

I got a shipping notice this morning for my TOW Wave 1 MTO stuff!

 The Phazer wrote:
New rumours from Valrak -

* Empire release will not include a new knights unit (dunno if just delayed or previous rumour was wrong).
* Will include a new mounted Empire general, may be a character or not.
* Will be a new wizard kit (presumably hedge wizards as the College of Magics haven't been founded to the existing models don't really work)

The old plastic mounted general have "Karl Frans" stamped on the warhorse barding. Kind of hard to work around.
I belive there was official pictures of a foot general that had his warhammer modified to not have a "KF" on it.
Perhaps they try to include bits to make a grand master of the knightly order.

Is there a major event between now and the new year they could preview the empire release at?

"Karl Franz" is probably like Smith over there.

"Karl come here! No not you big Karl I mean little Karl, the baker's son!"

New Knights are a must, as the existing/old ones are tiny.

A pretty nice kit when they first came out in 19oatcake, but suffered from scale increases, Spesh next to the wonderful outriders and pistoliers.

 Fayric wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
New rumours from Valrak -

* Empire release will not include a new knights unit (dunno if just delayed or previous rumour was wrong).
* Will include a new mounted Empire general, may be a character or not.
* Will be a new wizard kit (presumably hedge wizards as the College of Magics haven't been founded to the existing models don't really work)

The old plastic mounted general have "Karl Frans" stamped on the warhorse barding. Kind of hard to work around..

Not that hard if the script was debossed/carved in; the negative of that would be a projection in the mould cavity that you would just have to machine off.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
New Knights are a must, as the existing/old ones are tiny.

A pretty nice kit when they first came out in 19oatcake, but suffered from scale increases, Spesh next to the wonderful outriders and pistoliers.

I agree, though that sentiment hasn't stopped them from ignoring the most obvious unit refreshes with The Old World thus far. Plastic Slayers for Dwarfs probably being the most glaring. Hopefully the apparent success of the game means they actually get an increase in production slots and those kinds of units get a glow up.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Is there a major event between now and the new year they could preview the empire release at?

I'm hardly qualified to say as I don't pay attention to events, but at a glance there's a US Open near the end of November if GW were in need of an excuse for a preview. Not sure there is much else this year. I assume there'll be an Advent rumor engine, but I'm not sure I'd expect something like that to feature The Old World. There's probably a Boxing Day preview, but I think in the past it's been focused on a single army, Maybe a handful. Which isn't a format that fits The Old World very well. Hard to get people excited over models they overwhelmingly have known already for years and decades.

Me, I could see the Empire to be revealed in a random Monday article close to release. GW doesn't invest a lot in new models for The Old World. Without that, there's not a lot to show.

There may not even be any incentive to preview the Empire this year. Per the Nova roadmap (added in spoilers for convenience) Empire is in 2025. We may continue to see an army release per quarter, but that might still put Empire as far back as March.

We’re told there is a November reveals show. Was mentioned on the last one.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
New Knights are a must, as the existing/old ones are tiny.
A pretty nice kit when they first came out in 19oatcake, but suffered from scale increases, Spesh next to the wonderful outriders and pistoliers.

but this is currently the point of TOW, to release exactly that was there and didn't make it to AoS
the chance for new Knights was gone when GW used the 6th Edition Goblins despite newer models being available

my only hope is that we see the metal knights as at a good price

Yes and no - the new goblins were in AoS and its very clear that GW management has drawn some very strong lines in the sand and isn't doing any cross compatibility of kits - at least as much as they can get away with.

So new Knights are potentially possible. GW has created new kits for other armies coming back. They are just not in a position where Old World can justify wholesale upgrades of armies.

Now there is potential with the big sales that we MIGHT see some of the latter armies get a bit more added to them. Otherwise I think that we'll simply see Old World enter the same cycle as other mainline games from GW.

New armies will come along with fully new sculpts now and then (Kisleve and Cathay); old armies will get updates; either big wholesale ones with new editions or big expansions; and bit by bit here and there over time.

It's going to be a good 10year block at the very least before we see the entire range brought up to modern plastics - perhaps longer. However is sales remain healthy and the game grows enough to hold a good standing and financial income then that's likely what we can expect.

there will be no new knight, thats wat Valrak said.
Dont now if its true.

 skeleton wrote:
there will be no new knight, thats wat Valrak said.
Dont now if its true.

People still can't wrap their head around the fact that this is mainly a reissue model game with a few pieces of eye candy to keep it fresh.

I do hope we see a WHC article when they preview the Empire and the High Elves like they did for WoC, where it clearly explains what will be in which wave, and what'll be M2O.

Yes and no, the intent certainly seems to be to modernize the range over time based on the "eye candy", but why would GW rush to get new kits out when they can still make money hand over fist with 20 year old kits who's costs have already been paid for. Their strategy is to sell you the old stuff, and then get you to buy the resculpts of what you already own

It's also a strategy to get the game running. This isn't a new game entering the market fresh.

It's - well honestly its a bit a mess because its an old game they used to sell (not that long ago) returning to market when half the model range is already on sale by a different division of GW at the same time.

It's actually amazing its working let alone working so well. And yet it is and getting whole armies out in one go, even iwth old kits, is letting the game work and thrive. Probably faster than if they'd only done new armies and fully new kits and took years to get more than handful of armies out whilst those who were near the end were left doing nothing for ages.

Instead they can jump right in with classic models and then I suspect around the 2nd edition we'll start to see a big move toward replacing and adding with new sculps

 Just Tony wrote:

 skeleton wrote:
there will be no new knight, thats wat Valrak said.
Dont now if its true.

People still can't wrap their head around the fact that this is mainly a reissue model game with a few pieces of eye candy to keep it fresh.

Indeed. On the basis of the releases so far, I think this is at least as fair a supposition as anything else. From what we’ve seen so far, I don’t see any reason to assume we’ll really ever see particularly extensive range updates.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
I got a shipping notice this morning for my TOW Wave 1 MTO stuff!

I just got an email that the Marauder Giant and Friends MTO is delayed.

I think by a week if my numbers on the first deadline were right. Which seems odd that they need an extra week after having six months. 'Oi, mate, when were all these boxes to be posted?...'

Any valrak fans around who fancy summarising the Empire content from his SW HQ rumour video?

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
I got a shipping notice this morning for my TOW Wave 1 MTO stuff!

I just got an email that the Marauder Giant and Friends MTO is delayed.

I think by a week if my numbers on the first deadline were right. Which seems odd that they need an extra week after having six months. 'Oi, mate, when were all these boxes to be posted?...'

Lmao yeah I got that email today as well, now targeting to have everything ready to ship by 11/15.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:
Any valrak fans around who fancy summarising the Empire content from his SW HQ rumour video?

Think that’s up above unless there are new rumors.

From the Sunday preview "Over on Warhammer Community this week we will be revealing new miniatures for Necromunda and Warhammer: The Old World, and plenty of great stuff besides."

New minis for the Old World just in time for Christmas I'm guessing.

Reddit theory is that it's probably missing characters for bretonnia, dwarves, and chaos

I’m always down for some Necromonday. But a bit worried no mention of Heresy Thursday.

Not in a “oh Noe’s therefore Heresy am done the big cancul”. Just a disappointing “please show me new things to throw my money at” worrry.

They said on twitter there should be one this week

What’s missing from dwarves and Bretonnia? Chaos is galrauch and the marauder chick. They’ve already revealed these, these aren’t new models right?


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Could it not be empire?

Vorian wrote:
They said on twitter there should be one this week

From what I've seen, they also said that last Sunday - then pivoted mid-week to say it was a miscommunication...