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**Mr_Rose**

One thing I do like about the Saturnine design is that it actually looks like it could be a modified pressure suit, per the lore. I’d love to see some Mechanicum guys in a similar design with modified welding gear as weapons.

**Dryaktylus**

tauist wrote:
Schrödingers Primarch wrote:

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Plus it's about time the Contemptor dreadnoughts reign of terror comes to an end.

Replaced by Saturnine spam no doubt

Like the models in the last starter box (okay, there was one (1) Contemptor)? Or those in the Solar Auxilia and Mechanicum boxes?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

New stuff from Horus Hearsay

Hearing dreadnoughts are getting vehicle stats again. Makes us definitely think the throwing marines thing is true - makes a lot of sense.

**Dryaktylus**

If it works for Blood Bowl it should work for HH. Death Guard with their Pickelhaube helmets may get a bonus, like the goblins from the Doom Diver.

**Snrub**

Ah fantastic, that looks like a Crosshair token on the right. That'll be useful for me remembering that my Vigilator has a Marked Target, because I always forget.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Borked Tank looks to be Tactical Borked Tank.

I think I’m seeing a foot impression on the left hand side. I mean, I know that’s what I’m seeing, but accept that might not be what it is,

**xttz**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Borked Tank looks to be Tactical Borked Tank.

I think I’m seeing a foot impression on the left hand side. I mean, I know that’s what I’m seeing, but accept that might not be what it is,

That bit looks like it's what the saturnine praetor is standing on.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Dunno, I think he’s got the Standard Issue STC MK XCX Tactical Rockcrete.

Also, his foot looks to be further back on whatever he’s stood on, than the foot impression on the Borked Tank piece.

**StudentOfEtherium**

Lathe Biosas wrote:
I feel like the odd man out on these forums, as I am actually excited for this new edition... it makes me hopeful for the future of HH.

New editions draw attention to the game and bring in new players. I would happily shell out some cash for new rulebooks if they updated and brought some fresh eyes on my favorite GW game: Adeptus Titanicus.

But until we know more, we can only guess what the new rules/format will be...

And guess what? They might be better.

yeah, i'm relatively hopeful here. as long as it's just a 2.5e, there's a lot of good it could do for the game

**Lanoc9**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
New stuff from Horus Hearsay

Hearing dreadnoughts are getting vehicle stats again. Makes us definitely think the throwing marines thing is true - makes a lot of sense.

Someone on instagram said it looked like the front end of a rapier, specifically the LI one

**Altruizine**

Snrub wrote:
Ah fantastic, that looks like a Crosshair token on the right. That'll be useful for me remembering that my Vigilator has a Marked Target, because I always forget.

It's one of the numbered objective(?) tokens already previewed.

**MajorWesJanson**

Lanoc9 wrote:

Someone on instagram said it looked like the front end of a rapier, specifically the LI one

Probably, since it is too small for even a Sabre.

**The We**

The "borked tank" bit could be the Centurion's Tactical Fender. Looks plausible. And the markers for Reactions.

**Schrödingers Primarch**

The We wrote:
The "borked tank" bit could be the Centurion's Tactical Fender. Looks plausible. And the markers for Reactions.

It's a tactical rock in the form of rapier tracks. You can see a foot on one end and it matchs the LI plastic model.

**lord_blackfang**

None of the models in the box are standing on the rapier tho. Could be a future kit.

**MajorWesJanson**

lord_blackfang wrote:
None of the models in the box are standing on the rapier tho. Could be a future kit.

May be the front foot of the IW praetor in power armor.

**Dryaktylus**

Some new stuff on Horushearsay

Combi-melta, orders, the Legion dice and a dual-plasma... thing.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Nice. Plasma Blaster to my eyes.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Hearsay wrote: Rumour has it characters can now issue orders to units, like in Legions Imperialis. If true, could be a really interesting mechanic for adding even more flavour to Legions!

Could be true. Could be them playing with internet speculation re the counters.

So NOW we’re hearing that the d18 is just a d20 with the 2 and the 11 scratched off.

Cool and thematic? Or are d20s cheaper to manufacture? Both?

Could just be mince. I honestly don’t know.

**Dryaktylus**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

So NOW we’re hearing that the d18 is just a d20 with the 2 and the 11 scratched off.

Cool and thematic? Or are d20s cheaper to manufacture? Both?

Could just be mince. I honestly don’t know.

Actually the 2 and 11 are for Mechanicum respectively Forces of the Emperor.

So when you go to a tournament you bring your 20 armies and then roll before each game which you use.

**Geifer**

I have no opinion on whether or not there will be a random legion generator, but if GW were so inclined, it would make for a decent trinket for those pre-order bonuses they've been doing for launch boxes bought straight from GW's online store.

**beast_gts**

Are the combi-melta & plasma thing the Praetors weapons (But I hope the terminator Praetor isn't in 70 parts!)?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I’m not going to rule it out, but I don’t think so.

The Combi-Melta is a single piece, with a standard flat shoulder connection point, with the square similar to what we see on the MkVI Marines.

So I think it’s more likely a standard upgrade.

Plasma Blaster looks have an under slung mounting. What it might belong to, I’ve no idea.

**Nicky J**

It looks like there is a bit of tactical rock/base gubbinz in the bottom right of that pic, so i'd say more likely to be character than a generic upgrade sprue?

From the blurry pic of the back of the box, I can't quite make out what exactly is in the left hand of the mkii character, but does look like he's holding/cradling something, so it could be this...?

**Snrub**

Maybe it could be a generic plastic centurion/praetor kit. They could be doing what they did with the contemptor kit in the 2.0 box. Get the body and single frame of weapons and later on after initial release, drop the full kit for retail.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Could be a Veterans upgrade sprue?

**lord_blackfang**

Combi melta sprue also has a tactical rock, so probably the Mk2 hero

Plasma blastgun makes me think one of the existing terminator kits is being redone

All the text is pure red herring. No chance of orders or vehicle dreadnoughts etc imho

**beast_gts**

Some people are convinced it's the same arm as the Loyalist Champion Consul (just with a strap added)

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

It’s certainly bloody close, isn’t it?

**Dryaktylus**

It's a combi-melta. You don't have to invent the wheel anew. It's not the same though - details are sharper and there's no cast-on section on the handle.

**Jack Flask**

beast_gts wrote:
Are the combi-melta & plasma thing the Praetors weapons (But I hope the terminator Praetor isn't in 70 parts!)?

Yes, 100%. It's not even a question.

The Saturnine Praetor has a wrist mounted plasma blastgun and the MkII Praetor is carrying a slung bolter.