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Yes, you have witnessed a triple necro!

God save us!! *blam*

You have been executed for heresy.


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God save us!! *blam*

You have been executed for heresy.

A thought for this thread, old as said thread may be. The Emperor might be an old one, who has no idea he's an old one.

He has lived his whole life on earth around humans and as such believes that he is one despite the fact his powers and powerset are beyond anything a human is capable of even in 40k. He's got amnesia or was born on earth and abandoned by his fellow old ones (hell that's a motive to hate gods and aliens if I ever heard one.)

He has unmatched, for a human or even an Eldar, magical powers, can traverse the warp unaided by a spaceship a thing old ones can notably do.

More interestingly is his title of anathema. Tzeentch can see the future and most other things and thus should probably have known about the emperor long before he became a problem. And Black Library and Horus Heresy lore state that Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Khorne predate humanity by millions of years. So why then is he called anathema if he's just a big ol' psyker who some shamans suicide-birthed to protect the earth from chaos (a backstory which is contradicted in modern lore.) Well, that's because the Emperor's powers (regardless of when he was actually born) are from a time of stability and peace in the warp as such a complete anathema to the Chaos gods. To a chaos god, born in the maelstrom ridden warp of the present, such a comparatively antediluvian thing would be, well an Anathema.

Plus I do like the story potential that the Emperor being an old one brings to the grimdark future. What is this creature's ultimate game plan? Does he truly love humanity, or does he see them as a source of spare parts, the raw clay needed to make his race anew after elevating humanity to the level of the Old Ones?

He was born in Anatolia during the Age of Strife. How can he be an old one?

 Darian Aarush wrote:
He was born in Anatolia during the Age of Strife. How can he be an old one?

Not the Age of Strife. He was born at the start of the Bronze Age.

 Karhedron wrote:

 Darian Aarush wrote:
He was born in Anatolia during the Age of Strife. How can he be an old one?

Not the Age of Strife. He was born at the start of the Bronze Age.

Sorry, I stand corrected.

I don't think he's an Old One, though (apart from in the literal sense of being bloody old!).

Apperantly the Eldar Gods are not Old Ones. They were psychic superweapons created by the Eldar and supervised by the Old Ones.

When the Old Ones started to die out, their influence among the Eldar started to wane. Eventually, without the guiding hand of the Old Ones, the Eldar started to worship or idolize the power of their weapons and that in turn gave them a consciousness of their own.

The Eldar's psychic-based superweapons were transformed into the Eldar Gods.

^I might be off but it goes something like that. If its still true and hasnt been retconned, Its crazy how good the Eldar are at making gods. Hell, they even created Slaanesh from scratch.


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Somebody said Humans are not the creation of Old Ones?
Lol what? Yes they are... Old Ones loved life and just sprinkled it everywhere. Humanity is one of those species that was made for no reason other than to simply live. In comparison, the Eldar and Ork were also their creations, but were created specifically to be the galaxy's guardians and warriors to fight the C'tan, respectivley. The Eldar were nurtured and trained by the Old Ones on how to use their abilities, while the Krork, being created late in the War in Heaven, I believe were an unfinished species that were not fully finalized before the Old Ones went extinct or had to run away and abandon them

You realise the Old Ones went extinct so long ago that our planet didn't have anything like humans for millenia after they died? Humans are in no way Old One creations.

pm713 wrote:
You realise the Old Ones went extinct so long ago that our planet didn't have anything like humans for millenia after they died? Humans are in no way Old One creations.

Not directly, but there's certain evidence that their creations (Eldar) manipulated Human development. Which would make the Old Ones their indirect creators... But that fluff is very scarce and indeterminate.

But one thing this thread has shown me is how obvious it is that the Emperor is Morag-Hai. After hiding out in Asuryan's pantheon before the rest of the Old Ones were destroyed/chased away, she hid out on Earth when it was clear Asuryan's pantheon was going to be destroyed.

If Chaos ever manages to destroy the "Emperor", where will she hide next?

(That's not even headcanon. It's just a fun little crackpot theory. It does fit existing lore, though.)

Bharring wrote:

pm713 wrote:
You realise the Old Ones went extinct so long ago that our planet didn't have anything like humans for millenia after they died? Humans are in no way Old One creations.

Not directly, but there's certain evidence that their creations (Eldar) manipulated Human development. Which would make the Old Ones their indirect creators... But that fluff is very scarce and indeterminate.

But one thing this thread has shown me is how obvious it is that the Emperor is Morag-Hai. After hiding out in Asuryan's pantheon before the rest of the Old Ones were destroyed/chased away, she hid out on Earth when it was clear Asuryan's pantheon was going to be destroyed.

If Chaos ever manages to destroy the "Emperor", where will she hide next?

(That's not even headcanon. It's just a fun little crackpot theory. It does fit existing lore, though.)

How on earth does that fit existing lore?

I've not seen any of that evidence. Ever.

Eldar were in the Sol system before the Fall.

Or did you mean the lore backing of Morag Hai's new identity?

Both really.

Eldar being in Sol doesn't really mean they did anything to affect humans.

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