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 AustonT wrote:
I am actually super disappointed going into the midseason finale. Michone went from a cool enigma to just "girl with sword and attitude" Andrea is less the awesome dead eyed killer and more the dependent child. Maggie wasn't AS weak as some in this thread made her out but she still broke too easy, by contrast Glenn was really stalwart. I like that they used Hershel vice Dale, simply because the actor was better, other than that Hershel has been useless for the season so far.
I have almost no doubts Daryl will kill Merle before the end of the season, it has to happen. Just like Shane had to die by Rick.

I agree with your whole post 100%.

 Byte wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
I am actually super disappointed going into the midseason finale. Michone went from a cool enigma to just "girl with sword and attitude" Andrea is less the awesome dead eyed killer and more the dependent child. Maggie wasn't AS weak as some in this thread made her out but she still broke too easy, by contrast Glenn was really stalwart. I like that they used Hershel vice Dale, simply because the actor was better, other than that Hershel has been useless for the season so far.
I have almost no doubts Daryl will kill Merle before the end of the season, it has to happen. Just like Shane had to die by Rick.

I agree with your whole post 100%.

If the comic is any reference Michonne gets pretty interesting actually.

One of my friends was all psyched up for Michonne, but I think she's a boring character: she's a woman with no emotions, no personality, offends everyone with her "I don't give a feth" attitude, and she carries a sword. So what? Maybe the comic version is cool, but if she died in the show, I wouldn't care. I'll be very upset if Daryl dies to Meryl. Daryl, Glenn and Maggie are the three characters I'm rooting for. Anyone else goes...I'll be okay with it. I just want those three to survive.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
One of my friends was all psyched up for Michonne, but I think she's a boring character: she's a woman with no emotions, no personality, offends everyone with her "I don't give a feth" attitude, and she carries a sword. So what? Maybe the comic version is cool, but if she died in the show, I wouldn't care. I'll be very upset if Daryl dies to Meryl. Daryl, Glenn and Maggie are the three characters I'm rooting for. Anyone else goes...I'll be okay with it. I just want those three to survive.

Agreed on all points. I like pscho Rick now but he's second level to me at this point.

Michonne is just...boring.

interestignly she might be one of the most realistic of the characters. At this point I'd proffer a great pportion of survivors are not sain scroungers. They're not going to get involved, trust anyone, or particularly have emotions. Think a whole world of thousand yard starers.

 Frazzled wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
One of my friends was all psyched up for Michonne, but I think she's a boring character: she's a woman with no emotions, no personality, offends everyone with her "I don't give a feth" attitude, and she carries a sword. So what? Maybe the comic version is cool, but if she died in the show, I wouldn't care. I'll be very upset if Daryl dies to Meryl. Daryl, Glenn and Maggie are the three characters I'm rooting for. Anyone else goes...I'll be okay with it. I just want those three to survive.

Agreed on all points. I like pscho Rick now but he's second level to me at this point.

Michonne is just...boring.

interestignly she might be one of the most realistic of the characters. At this point I'd proffer a great pportion of survivors are not sain scroungers. They're not going to get involved, trust anyone, or particularly have emotions. Think a whole world of thousand yard starers.

Oh man, it'd be like 4th grade all over again

Interesting observation Frazz. I have been kind of scratching my head at Rick's attempts to develop some kind of "normal" life, but then again I'm assuming Carl is the primary motivator for that. Not wanting to watch his so go insane right before his eyes and all.

As for the whole Maggie "breaking" early thing I think it just shows she cares for Glen is all. If she doesn't say anything there's a 100% chance Glen will be killed. By saying something she clears the slate of the odds again. Why shouldn't she say something?

I think it's more telling that on the flip side Glen was willing to sacrifice Maggie. In his situation I'd rather save my hot girlfriend than not. He owes her as much loyalty as anyone else back in the prison.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
As for the whole Maggie "breaking" early thing I think it just shows she cares for Glen is all. If she doesn't say anything there's a 100% chance Glen will be killed. By saying something she clears the slate of the odds again. Why shouldn't she say something?

Not sure I'd agree with the criticism of her "breaking" too early. Glenn's head was about to be blown open.

I think it's more telling that on the flip side Glen was willing to sacrifice Maggie. In his situation I'd rather save my hot girlfriend than not. He owes her as much loyalty as anyone else back in the prison.

He really didn't have much time to react with that... seconds later, the govna swung the gun to Glenn's head.

Remember, this is a TeeVee show... they need to keep things moving. In the books... sure, you could stretch it out more.

I think that whole scene was just right for me on the show.

On the subject of Maggie breaking, sure they were about to kill Glen, or so they say, but if you are in that situation you pretty much count yourself as dead one way or the other. You're American, don't negotiate with terrorists!

It's been hinted that the group has certain 'agreements'... It's pretty hard to believe that they haven't discussed the circumstance of one of the group being captured by a hostile party, considering that they've had run-ins. They have pacts to kill one another if they are bitten. I'm not so sure that Rick would be happy had he known, since it's his newborn baby and and young son at risk.

 Meade wrote:
On the subject of Maggie breaking, sure they were about to kill Glen, or so they say, but if you are in that situation you pretty much count yourself as dead one way or the other. You're American, don't negotiate with terrorists!

It's been hinted that the group has certain 'agreements'... It's pretty hard to believe that they haven't discussed the circumstance of one of the group being captured by a hostile party, considering that they've had run-ins. They have pacts to kill one another if they are bitten. I'm not so sure that Rick would be happy had he known, since it's his newborn baby and and young son at risk.

So? Maggie and Glenn don't live to please Rick. They owe each other as much loyalty as anyone else in the group. In fact they went a little ironic, Glenn's first priority should be Maggie. Maggie at least has her father and sister back there.


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 whembly wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
As for the whole Maggie "breaking" early thing I think it just shows she cares for Glen is all. If she doesn't say anything there's a 100% chance Glen will be killed. By saying something she clears the slate of the odds again. Why shouldn't she say something?

Not sure I'd agree with the criticism of her "breaking" too early. Glenn's head was about to be blown open.

I think it's more telling that on the flip side Glen was willing to sacrifice Maggie. In his situation I'd rather save my hot girlfriend than not. He owes her as much loyalty as anyone else back in the prison.

He really didn't have much time to react with that... seconds later, the govna swung the gun to Glenn's head.

Remember, this is a TeeVee show... they need to keep things moving. In the books... sure, you could stretch it out more.

I think that whole scene was just right for me on the show.

Yes, we're basically in agreement.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

So? Maggie and Glenn don't live to please Rick. They owe each other as much loyalty as anyone else in the group. In fact they went a little ironic, Glenn's first priority should be Maggie. Maggie at least has her father and sister back there.

My only point is that if they expect the other members of the group to do the same for them, and not sell them out, they should be prepared to pay the price if the unlucky ones. What maggie did could have easily got her sister raped and the rest of the group dead. After all, these are the same people now risking their lives to come and save her. If they owed more to each other they would just leave them be.

Anyway it makes for a good story. You can't have everybody on the same page and you need some human drama and tension within the group.

 Meade wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

So? Maggie and Glenn don't live to please Rick. They owe each other as much loyalty as anyone else in the group. In fact they went a little ironic, Glenn's first priority should be Maggie. Maggie at least has her father and sister back there.

My only point is that if they expect the other members of the group to do the same for them, and not sell them out, they should be prepared to pay the price if the unlucky ones. What maggie did could have easily got her sister raped and the rest of the group dead. After all, these are the same people now risking their lives to come and save her. If they owed more to each other they would just leave them be.

Anyway it makes for a good story. You can't have everybody on the same page and you need some human drama and tension within the group.

Exactly. She made a quick decision the rest of the group has a better chance to defend themselves than Glenn at that moment. I think you can make a fair arguement that's the right decision.

Good episode, I was wondering when then Governor was going to get that new shiny headwear

I enjoyed it too!

Some questions:

Tyreese finally showed up! That's cool, I thought they'd just decided not to have him. Of course this caused the automatic death of other black guy.

I thought they really did nothing with the whole Daryl-Meryl showdown. No one had to make any hard choices. No brother vs brother. The Govenor just throws him onto team Rick.

Tyreese was really the only bearable character from his group. His group really lacked leadership and I disliked that.
The Talking Dead hinted that the Governor will be getting more evil and that Rick is defiantly still going crazy, a la shooting Shane's doppleganger.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
Tyreese was really the only bearable character from his group. His group really lacked leadership and I disliked that.
The Talking Dead hinted that the Governor will be getting more evil and that Rick is defiantly still going crazy, a la shooting Shane's doppleganger.

Tyreese's group, save Tyreese, seemed really green. Like they've been asleep since before the zombie outbreak and just stumbled upon it this morning when they tried to commute to work.

Even more so after the clip from Talking Dead. It just seems like they have no fething clue what's going down, other than Zombies and hit them in the faic.

pretty cool episode. Even though it was relatively free of confrontation, you still had the awesome scene with Michonne and the governor. Governor... now is turning into the Governator.

I love how Maggie is like, "uh, we gave up your guys location.." and Rick is like, "yeah, that's cool".

Daryl and Meryl, I guess they are saving the good stuff for later, anything could happen! But i really think they will milk the situation a little more.

As for Andrea, they are really creating a big story around her, lots of drama to happen there. I'm sure she will get her chance to kick some ass before all is said and done.

 whembly wrote:
I enjoyed it too!

Some questions:

Spoiler:

To those who've read the Novels... is that Tyreese from the 2nd group a big character? Seems odd now there's a 2nd group now...

Not a bad episode at all, though I was a bit disapointed in the way the Daryl/ Meryl situation was handled (thus far)...would have much prefered seeing the two brothers hash ( or hack) things out on their own rather than being tossed together like they were...of course there may still be some upcoming conflict between the two when the season returns.

Team Tyreese ( glad the character final showed up btw) seems to be a hodge podge of characters from the comics.
I don't belive the younger girl with the shovel was supposed to be his daughter ( but I could be mistaken) and I suppose the woman who was bitten served as a quick Donna stand in...and the young boy,iirc, was called Billy...wasn't that Herchels son in the books?
Still, nice to see Tyreese arive and looking forward to the rest of the season.
Wondering exactly were the storyline will be going.

 FITZZ wrote:
Not a bad episode at all, though I was a bit disapointed in the way the Daryl/ Meryl situation was handled (thus far)...would have much prefered seeing the two brothers hash ( or hack) things out on their own rather than being tossed together like they were...of course there may still be some upcoming conflict between the two when the season returns.

Team Tyreese ( glad the character final showed up btw) seems to be a hodge podge of characters from the comics.
I don't belive the younger girl with the shovel was supposed to be his daughter ( but I could be mistaken) and I suppose the woman who was bitten served as a quick Donna stand in...and the young boy,iirc, was called Billy...wasn't that Herchels son in the books?
Still, nice to see Tyreese arive and looking forward to the rest of the season.
Wondering exactly were the storyline will be going.

You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.

it seemed from the teasers that he will use Andrea for that. The governor needs to kill at least one of the brothers as a scapegoat... and to condition the population.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.

Ha...That very well could be the case, the Gov. did use a simular tactic ( with Martinez) in the books...I didn't even think of that, nice catch Andrew.

I feel like Andrea is going to help Merl and Darryl escape and maybe rejoin the group then or sometime toward the end of the season. She knows, or at least should know, Rick & the gang wouldn't raid a town unless provoked.

I also feel like Andrea is going to be the one who kills the Gov.

 Meade wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.

it seemed from the teasers that he will use Andrea for that. The governor needs to kill at least one of the brothers as a scapegoat... and to condition the population.

I don't see Andrea turning on Rick's group, Meryl on the other hand is the natural choice. Darryl will bring him in after their miraculous escape. The group needs bodies so they will grudgingly accept Meryl who will turn on them and thus force the whole Darryl/Meryl confrontation everybody wants to see.

Andrea was already turning on the gov and as soon as she sees Darryl she will realize that the Gov is going after her old crew and come up with some sneaky way to help them, before full out joining them. They are going to need her sniper skills to defend against the Gov.

The whole Andrea thing is going to drag out for a few episodes before she is forced into a position to choose though. During that time we will get to know Tyreese's group and maybe have some pretty grim storylines focusing on people losing all hope and their minds.

The way I see it the natural end to this season is an assault or at least the beginning of an assault on the prison, so be prepared for some heavy story line to fill the time.

I'd rather see Andrea side with the Governator. Remember Rick's group abandoned her. It would be cool to se her take out everyone with a rifle besides Daryl, Glen, and Maggie.

Andrea will at least have to convince the gov that she is helping him, according to what I saw of the teaser, even if she is secretly helping rick.

yeah i read the comics but only up to a little later than this point.

 FITZZ wrote:
Not a bad episode at all, though I was a bit disapointed in the way the Daryl/ Meryl situation was handled (thus far)...would have much prefered seeing the two brothers hash ( or hack) things out on their own rather than being tossed together like they were...of course there may still be some upcoming conflict between the two when the season returns.

I agree, really seemed like a waste of a plotline. They seem to be gearing up for Meryl to return to team Rick but how would Glenn, Maggie and Michonne feel about that? They wouldn't be too enthused I think.


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 FITZZ wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.

Ha...That very well could be the case, the Gov. did use a simular tactic ( with Martinez) in the books...I didn't even think of that, nice catch Andrew.

Oh yeah, that's interesting. At first when the Govenor freaked out and gave up Meryl I though that was stupid but then I thought Meryl did tell The Govenor to his face he'd killed Michonne (who just stabbed him in the eye). That coupled with his brother being with the enemy I see how he could come to the honest conclusion Meryl was a mole.

The double agent thing would be interesting but now that I think about I think we're being to smart for this show. Could the govenor really come up with a plan that elaborate so quickly? Plus, he couldn't be that sure of Meryl's loyalty.

Or he's just nuts and felt betrayed and there's nothig subtle about it.

 Frazzled wrote:
Or he's just nuts and felt betrayed and there's nothig subtle about it.

Well ya, he just got stabbed in the eye by a women that's supposed to be dead. One thing that has me worried is that I thought that they may have made the Govenor too sympathetic for those how haven't read the books. In the comic he's so over the top evil he might as well be a daemon prince. You don't seem to think so, so I guess they are establishing his villiany properly...