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You have Daryl in there twice... is he both safe and in peril? O.o

Zombie Merle was chilling, poor Daryl. Damn Governor passing his Look Out Sir.


I'm hoping Andrea dies in the next episode. I'm really sick of Ms Holden's terrible acting.

feeder wrote:
Zombie Merle was chilling, poor Daryl. Damn Governor passing his Look Out Sir.


I'm hoping Andrea dies in the next episode. I'm really sick of Ms Holden's terrible acting.

While I kind of agree, I also think it is a symptom of some characters kind of being stuck in a rut for an entire season without much to do except tread water. While in reality, for reasons of productions costs it makes a whole lot of sense to have the group stay in a particular location for an entire season, it also has led to some of the lesser characters spinning their wheels...obviously they wanted Andrea's arc to play out this season to the point where it is now, but they also obviously felt that this had to happen in the season finale. So we had to suffer through the whole Three's Company charade early in the season where Andrea doesn't realize that her old group is out there, then once she finds out she still has the wool pulled over her eyes about the Governor (which was understandable given how good a liar he is), and then once she starts to realize the truth she had to agonize about whether just to leave or to try to do something about the Governor (kill him).

This whole arc could have been played out much more quickly and relatively early in the season, but given that Woodbury is 'the' spot for the season, they obviously tried to pace some stories to last the entire season, and Lori's was one of them, to the detriment of her character I think, making her come across as incredibly wishy-washy and naive.

I felt a similar kind of fatigue towards a number of characters in the 2nd season (on the farm), from Hershel's and Rick's 'will he or won't he allow us to stay on the farm?' to Shane's brooding to Dale's complaining about Shane, etc.

I would really love for them to aim for two different settings each season (split around the mid-season break they do) or if they do have to stay in one location all season then aim for character arcs that don't take the entire season to conclude, as given the pace of the show it does create situations where some characters almost get kind of annoying with their repetitive behavior.

 yakface wrote:

feeder wrote:
Zombie Merle was chilling, poor Daryl. Damn Governor passing his Look Out Sir.


I'm hoping Andrea dies in the next episode. I'm really sick of Ms Holden's terrible acting.

While I kind of agree, I also think it is a symptom of some characters kind of being stuck in a rut for an entire season without much to do except tread water. While in reality, for reasons of productions costs it makes a whole lot of sense to have the group stay in a particular location for an entire season, it also has led to some of the lesser characters spinning their wheels...obviously they wanted Andrea's arc to play out this season to the point where it is now, but they also obviously felt that this had to happen in the season finale. So we had to suffer through the whole Three's Company charade early in the season where Andrea doesn't realize that her old group is out there, then once she finds out she still has the wool pulled over her eyes about the Governor (which was understandable given how good a liar he is), and then once she starts to realize the truth she had to agonize about whether just to leave or to try to do something about the Governor (kill him).

This whole arc could have been played out much more quickly and relatively early in the season, but given that Woodbury is 'the' spot for the season, they obviously tried to pace some stories to last the entire season, and Lori's was one of them, to the detriment of her character I think, making her come across as incredibly wishy-washy and naive.

I felt a similar kind of fatigue towards a number of characters in the 2nd season (on the farm), from Hershel's and Rick's 'will he or won't he allow us to stay on the farm?' to Shane's brooding to Dale's complaining about Shane, etc.

I would really love for them to aim for two different settings each season (split around the mid-season break they do) or if they do have to stay in one location all season then aim for character arcs that don't take the entire season to conclude, as given the pace of the show it does create situations where some characters almost get kind of annoying with their repetitive behavior.

I like Andrea the Character, she's been through a lot and has a nice mix of strengths and flaws. I'm just sick of the way Ms Holden thinks head bobbing while speaking her lines = acting.

 Lint wrote:
A more important question would be "Which character from 'the group' is going to die in the finale?" Cause you know they're going to off somebody.
I'm thinking Maggie, or Carol.

Maggie because it'd put an end to the "happy" bits of this Grimdark™ setting. And it'd push Glen into being a more interesting character.

Carol for the same reason except it'd just push Daryl into being a Super Saiyan lvl2.

It will be Herschel.
1. He's way more interesting now than anyone besides Daryl.
2. It fits with the Dale and that other guys situation. The thinker
3. It was foreshadowed when he gave up the watch.

You can't wack Maggie. There's the female audience to consider.

Personaly I'd like Tyreese to get with the group (again haven't seen this last episode until the weekend) and for there to be some serious zombie action next season. We're getting away from the essentialness that is killing zombies.


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feeder wrote:
Zombie Merle was chilling, poor Daryl. Damn Governor passing his Look Out Sir.


I'm hoping Andrea dies in the next episode. I'm really sick of Ms Holden's terrible acting.

Or they uncap her to be her inner psycho killer. She always seems to want to go postal on the zombies but gets held back. Lets not hold her back.

Psycho killer, ques ques que...

I really hope it's Andrea who does kill the Governor. After everything that has happened between the two this season I think it makes the most sense and the one who most deserves the kill.

Here is the way I see the finale going down. The Woodbury "army" is going to get massacared at the prison by booby traps, zombies and Ricks crew. The Gov is going to retreat back to town where Milton has freed Andrea and she will kill him (probably one quick anticlimactic stroke) in his appartment. Fade to black.

Frazzled wrote:
You can't wack Daryl. There's the female audience to consider.

Fix'd.

I hear you about Herschel, but I really hope not. The group needs a "conscience" character and unlike Dale, Herschel isn't a giant annoying pussy.
I just remembered something; when Merle was lined up to take the kill shot on the gov. was that the kid from Tyrese's group that stepped out in front of the bullet? Or was it the asthmatic kid?

It was Allen's son Ben I.e. the kid from Tyreese's Group.

Note: that's also the corpse that Merle is munching on when Daryl comes up on him.

If you watch the second sneak peak there is no walkers around the front of the prison, hopefully Rick and the group booby-trapped the prison and filled it with walkers.
I don't think the governor is going to be killed this season as it looks like Rick and the group have left by the time he arrives and apparently the David Morrissey has been signed on for season four. However when he does eventually die I hope it's in a suitably gruesome way, it would be quiet good if he got bitten by a walker.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
and apparently the David Morrissey has been signed on for season four. However when he does eventually die I hope it's in a suitably gruesome way, it would be quiet good if he got bitten by a walker.

Noooo... please die and please no more prison and Woodbury season 4.

I agree comepletely with Meade. I find I'm looking forward to Vikings much more than Walking Dead now.


Ironically, the Governor still takes care of his people better than Rick does.

 Infreak wrote:

Here is the way I see the finale going down. The Woodbury "army" is going to get massacared at the prison by booby traps, zombies and Ricks crew. The Gov is going to retreat back to town where Milton has freed Andrea and she will kill him (probably one quick anticlimactic stroke) in his appartment. Fade to black.

Quite possible.

If what Meade says is true then the Woodbury/Prison plot is going to last at least another half a season. I guess they aren't in a hurry to catch up to the comic.

 Infreak wrote:
If what Meade says is true then the Woodbury/Prison plot is going to last at least another half a season. I guess they aren't in a hurry to catch up to the comic.

Not neccessarily, I bet the prison will be rendered unlivable by the battle and whoever's left will ride into the sunset.


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 Frazzled wrote:
I agree comepletely with Meade. I find I'm looking forward to Vikings much more than Walking Dead now.

Really? Is this "Vikings" good?

Well, it's just that the whole story arc with Andrea, Tyrese and gang, Milton, and the Governor has only recently just turned evil... seems like a lot for them to wrap up in one final episode. And if it's true the gov has signed on for another season then dang... I just fear a badass cliffhanger and them wrapping up the story with the first few episodes next season.

Or maybe my scars from Battlestar Galactica haven't fully healed. But at least I now have Game of Thrones, with all it's HBO goodness.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Really? Is this "Vikings" good?

Oh yea. here's the theme for a hint:

Well, I disliked Rick until now, but after episode 15, I properly hate his guts.

First, Glen is likely 100% safe like Rick, Daryl, and Carl. Why? Because Kirkman killed him in the comics but has said he felt ok with it because his Glenn is the show Glenn. So don't expect him to go anywhere.

I enjoyed this episode. Merle was the bees knees. He went out like a champ even if the Gov. is a dick. He pulled down at least 5 of the Woodbury bruisers and that's if none got dropped by biters.

I like Rick right now. He's been waffling but he was bound to the way they set this season up. And he wound up making the right call.

Last episode will be a cliff hanger. Expect the Gov. storyline to run a few episodes into the next season. Honestly the best thing that could happen to the show is Andrea getting offed. I really, really dislike her character and her acting. The only kinda cool moment she's had this season was opening the door for the zombie filled hallway to empty out onto the governor.

Either way, I'm still enjoying the show. The weakest portion of the season for me is the pure Woodbury episodes and the two episodes where Rick is really just losing it. Outside of that I've been way, way happier with the show this season than last.

Oh, and I second the Herchel as the moral compass of the group. I want him to stick around. He's not a sissy like Dale was.

Wasn't too too too impressed with the season finale...

Also Carl man.. wtf dude!

Not too bad of a finale. Governor gunning down his army... priceless. Moving on from Andrea and her boring story line... awesome!

Mixed feelings concerning the finale, lots of good moments, the Gov mowing down his own army chief amongst them, however when it came time for the "payoff"...big box of socks on Christmas.

My wife and I thought it was fairly laughable and the ending seemed patched together--like there was some strife with the writing team figuring out what the hell everyone was going to do.

Prison shoot out planning seems to consist of "Blow up the towers and slowly mill ourselves deeper and darker iinto zombie fested prison. After a few shots, this gets labeled a ''massacre" and a hasty retreat---where your leader proceeds to kill many party members for no reason other than perhaps anger the other group's shooting so bad. Just a strange ending.

The woodbury army isn't anything of the sort. Remember most of them have been living in a well protected community with a lot of the comforts of home and a few henchmen for the Governor. Rick's group are hardened survivors and have more experience dealing with the world as it is. So having the Woodburites led deeper into the prison by Capt Ahab and then panicking seemed realistic to me.

The pay off worked for me. Of course I liked Andrea and dislike Karl. Karl's actions and Andrea's death were a necessary plot points for Rick to return to believing in a better world. Without that motivation then whats the point of continuing the show other then for a handful of depressed fans spanking off to the grimdark.

So dissappointed. That finale battle was pathetic. Some how just Glenn and Maggie's wildly inaccurate shooting drove off like 30 people. They didn't even kill anyone! And the Woodburians didn't kill anyone other. It was a ridiculous zero casualty battle.
Started so well to with the blowing up of towers and indiscriminate use of a .50 Cal. Seems like that 10 seconds was the whole budget or something cause they didn't have any cash left to show someone getting shot.

Sure the death of Andrea was surprising but are the writers basing all their decisions on Internet chatter or something? Only the unpopular characters have died this year. Four most unpopular characters according to the Internet are T-Dawg, Lorri, Andrea and Carl. Like in that order too. The first three are dead and Carl has escaped because he's been made "cool" by his recent killing streak.

And finally the resolution of The Govenor storyline literally couldn't have been less satisfying. He just drives away

I'm so glad this crap show is over for another year, now I don't have to hide every second feed on my facebook.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
So dissappointed. That finale battle was pathetic. Some how just Glenn and Maggie's wildly inaccurate shooting drove off like 30 people. They didn't even kill anyone! And the Woodburians didn't kill anyone other. It was a ridiculous zero casualty battle.
Started so well to with the blowing up of towers and indiscriminate use of a .50 Cal. Seems like that 10 seconds was the whole budget or something cause they didn't have any cash left to show someone getting shot.

Sure the death of Andrea was surprising but are the writers basing all their decisions on Internet chatter or something? Only the unpopular characters have died this year. Four most unpopular characters according to the Internet are T-Dawg, Lorri, Andrea and Carl. Like in that order too. The first three are dead and Carl has escaped because he's been made "cool" by his recent killing streak.

And finally the resolution of The Govenor storyline literally couldn't have been less satisfying. He just drives away

Fairly sure this is what would happen if you drew a militia out of unexperienced townsfolk, gave them 2 days of training, and then sent them room-clearing in a prison still infested with zombies after telling them that the people holding the prison were psychopaths bent on killing them and their babies. Merle had wiped out most of the experienced fighters anyway, from what I could see. And there was one casualty ; Carl's dickish cold blooded murder.

And what did you expect of the Governer, that he returns to Woodsbury after suffering a psychotic break? The town is what kept his madness under the lid, he blew off and killed half the town. No reason for him to go back there.

For a show I only midly enjoy, I actually quite liked this finale.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
So dissappointed. That finale battle was pathetic. Some how just Glenn and Maggie's wildly inaccurate shooting drove off like 30 people. They didn't even kill anyone! And the Woodburians didn't kill anyone other. It was a ridiculous zero casualty battle.
Started so well to with the blowing up of towers and indiscriminate use of a .50 Cal. Seems like that 10 seconds was the whole budget or something cause they didn't have any cash left to show someone getting shot.

Sure the death of Andrea was surprising but are the writers basing all their decisions on Internet chatter or something? Only the unpopular characters have died this year. Four most unpopular characters according to the Internet are T-Dawg, Lorri, Andrea and Carl. Like in that order too. The first three are dead and Carl has escaped because he's been made "cool" by his recent killing streak.

And finally the resolution of The Govenor storyline literally couldn't have been less satisfying. He just drives away

Fairly sure this is what would happen if you drew a militia out of unexperienced townsfolk, gave them 2 days of training, and then sent them room-clearing in a prison still infested with zombies after telling them that the people holding the prison were psychopaths bent on killing them and their babies. Merle had wiped out most of the experienced fighters anyway, from what I could see. And there was one casualty ; Carl's dickish cold blooded murder.

And what did you expect of the Governer, that he returns to Woodsbury after suffering a psychotic break? The town is what kept his madness under the lid, he blew off and killed half the town. No reason for him to go back there.

For a show I only midly enjoy, I actually quite liked this finale.

Then some of the Woodburians should have been shot. The scene was anticlimac.

As for The Govenor: It's not real. I don't expect anything of The Govenor I expect better writing. I expect a more satisfying series of events to occur.

What I liked best..no more Andrea and her annoying smirk...and game of thrones started tonight..so a win win as far as I am concerned.

(on a side note)
the govs 2 cronies need to shoot him in the face first chance they get, or they will become walker pets for the gov ala michonne, or better yet should have mp5k'ed him when he started shooting all their friends..oh well.

I though when they were going into the prison Rick's group would of left them get far enough it so they would be in relatively close quarters before the ambush

That and Carl has gone and turned into child sized Shane

The ending was... surprising. I was expecting some sort of epic battle. But instead Governour killed his own people and drive away... 0_0 I am so disappointed Rick or anybody didn't pull a hole into his head, I want that so bad ever since he gunned down those National Guardsmen ( those men deserve revenge ). But I love the ending, Rick accepted everybody from Woodbury and now they have quite the community.

But the next step in season 4 is obvious:

-they will run out of supplies, leave the prison and discover Alexandria Safe-Zone.

or:

-somebody will discover them and tell them about Alexandria Safe-Zone after which they move on to find it and settle in it.


But most of all things I would love for The Walking Dead ( comics and series ) to finish like World War Z book: while everybody were fighting to survive the Governments with their militaries and all civilians they could evacuate fled to sea to regroup and strategize. And after three years they strike back and reclaim the Earth from zombies, now this would be the ending I would love to see.