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@Frazzled -- Like these? There are some good movies there, but it certainly looks to be a formula poster. Note the slight turn they gave Pitt in the WWZ poster, just so that you know you're in fact looking at THE Brad Pitt.

wow.

 gorgon wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I don't think everyone on the show has the "Idiot ball" usually just Rick and Andrea.

As for WWZ I'll watch it. I'm just going in knowing it has 0% to do with the book and accept it. Hopefully, they won't mess it up by focusing too much on Brad Pitt and more on world events but I'm pretty sure they're going with "Brad Pitt saves the world!".

I'd lay money that Brad Pitt will discover some kind of "instant win" solution that will either be kinda obvious or not really make sense. Maybe he's an entomologist or exterminator or once wrote an article for Insect Fancy and recognizes that the zombies are behaving like army ants, and he knows a way to beat army ants. He'll try to get in to see the team of scientists, military and governmental types in charge, but he'll be rebuffed at first. Eventually, after some close calls and zombie action, someone will help get him in, or he'll sneak in and make his case. The hard-a$$ military commander will be skeptical -- his plan is to nuke the eastern seaboard -- and will want to haul Pitt out of there, but there'll be a scientist or government type -- probably an attractive woman -- who'll believe in him.

The nukes will be called off at the last minute and the instant win will work. The movie closes on an upnote with a voiceover from Pitt explaining how World War Z cost a lot of lives, but it taught everyone some valuable lessons about something vaguely ecological...and brought his family closer together. Lots of hugs. The end.

God damn that's a good prediction. You better be wrong!

The whole point of WWZ is that is was a war and not a short one. It was a long hard slog.

 gorgon wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I don't think everyone on the show has the "Idiot ball" usually just Rick and Andrea.

As for WWZ I'll watch it. I'm just going in knowing it has 0% to do with the book and accept it. Hopefully, they won't mess it up by focusing too much on Brad Pitt and more on world events but I'm pretty sure they're going with "Brad Pitt saves the world!".

I'd lay money that Brad Pitt will discover some kind of "instant win" solution that will either be kinda obvious or not really make sense. Maybe he's an entomologist or exterminator or once wrote an article for Insect Fancy and recognizes that the zombies are behaving like army ants, and he knows a way to beat army ants. He'll try to get in to see the team of scientists, military and governmental types in charge, but he'll be rebuffed at first. Eventually, after some close calls and zombie action, someone will help get him in, or he'll sneak in and make his case. The hard-a$$ military commander will be skeptical -- his plan is to nuke the eastern seaboard -- and will want to haul Pitt out of there, but there'll be a scientist or government type -- probably an attractive woman -- who'll believe in him.

The nukes will be called off at the last minute and the instant win will work. The movie closes on an upnote with a voiceover from Pitt explaining how World War Z cost a lot of lives, but it taught everyone some valuable lessons about something vaguely ecological...and brought his family closer together. Lots of hugs. The end.

Dude, if you're wrong with this^^ you should pitch it to a rival studio. It's so crappy, they'd love it.

Does anyone know when season 3 goes up for pre-order?

Well, it's that time again.

I was rather impressed with the opened. Some people thought it was too slow, but I couldn't disagree more.

Three questions were brilliant.

Started out good.Just hoping that this season Rick dies and ANYONE else could become the new lead... his character is terrible.

First off, Rick isn't the leader anymore. I don't think he's even on the council. If the group has an actionable leader it seems to be Darryl or Sasha now.

Now for my thoughts



Overall I really, really enjoyed the episode and the plots it's set up. I'm super pumped for the longest season of Walking Dead so far.

I dunno.



I agree that it was a good opener.

 gorgon wrote:
I dunno.

Spoiler:

The "I just wanna shake your hand...the one you licked" sequence could be a red herring (as could the several heartbeats worth of time spent on the dead pig), but I don't know how that really helps the narrative.

The mystery disease is obviously much nastier than anything we have IRL. The kid went from feeling fine to dead on the floor from what looks like some kind of hemorrhagic fever in less than a day. It seems implausible that the world would generate two superduperbugs, so I think it has almost has to be related to the zombie virus. Perhaps it is related to the growing zombie population at the fences.

A question I had during the show is where are all those zombies coming from? I guess the idea is that Atlanta is still dumping its population into the countryside, but doesn't the zombie population have to level off at some point as the human population (future zombie recruits) shrinks and the existing zombies fall apart?

I also thought the crazy lady and her hubby were going to be cannibals.

I agree that it was a good opener.

Great opener... not too much, but just enough to keep you on your toes...

 Khornholio wrote:

Spoiler:

I watched it yesterday.

It was OK. Not as good as the start to the third season.

The things I thought were kind of off were, they have a sick pig and don't know what's wrong with it. Hershel is/was/had been a veterinarian. Why isn't he looking at the pig? The second thing was the zombies falling from the roof of the Target or Wal-mart place. They had been milling around up there for who knows how long and then the roof collapses. Wouldn't it have collapsed earlier? It seemed a bit deus ex machina for me. But, we'll see. It might pick up after a few episodes.

Zombie pig zombie pig.
Zombie pig does whatever a zombie pig does wawoo here comes the zombie pig!

 Khornholio wrote:

Spoiler:

I watched it yesterday.

It was OK. Not as good as the start to the third season.

The things I thought were kind of off were, they have a sick pig and don't know what's wrong with it. Hershel is/was/had been a veterinarian. Why isn't he looking at the pig? The second thing was the zombies falling from the roof of the Target or Wal-mart place. They had been milling around up there for who knows how long and then the roof collapses. Wouldn't it have collapsed earlier? It seemed a bit deus ex machina for me. But, we'll see. It might pick up after a few episodes.

 Vitruvian XVII wrote:

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Saw someone on reddit proposing that it could be an ebola virus. Fits well with the symptoms the kid was displaying, no to forget the large amount of screen time for that one zombie with the blood leaking eyes and nose. The kid seemed to display severe nose bleeding. I seem to recall the CDC doing something with ebola?I cant remember, maybe when it exploded a strain remained alive and became airborne. Also someone pointed out the piglets avoiding there mother completely, which i thought was a nice touch

For me it was a great first episode it's nice to have some new characters.

Well it's that time of the year again where the ghost of Frazzled the Mod warns us there will spoilers in this thread so not going to use spoiler tags.

Good episode overall. Looks like this season is going to be what season 3 should have been. People trying to build a community in a prison. Then season 4 should have been when the evil Govenor takes it all away from them but for some reason they did it in reverse.

As for what killed that kid I don't know but Ebola seems like as good a theory as any.

I rewatched the opening. I'll stick with spoiler tags because I have a spoiler from the comics in there too.

I'm tired of the Governor. No more thanks.

I liked the metal doors that would swing out and impale the walkers. Its like Grant (was it Grant) who had all the zombie traps. Clearly people are finally thinking about things a little bit.

 gorgon wrote:
I rewatched the opening. I'll stick with spoiler tags because I have a spoiler from the comics in there too.

Spoiler:

They did eat the deer and not the pig. And I changed my mind about some things. I think bleeding eyes zombie is the strongest, most obvious clue, and that the handshake, pig, wild game, and water are all red herrings. I think the zombie proximity is the thing, and exposure has occurred with the fence crews and by the kids who were fething around with them.

And yeah, it's obviously some kind of hemorraghic fever (Ebola isn't the only kind). But none of them are lethal within hours. Again, the idea of a super-Ebola/Marburg (maybe airborne?) on top of the zombie plague is kinda ridiculous to me.

However, I'm not sure it matters, because I don't think we're going to know. We're probably going to get their view of things, meaning they won't know what disease it is or where it even comes from. This would cause extreme paranoia, making them question their water, their food, the massive zombie population outside the walls, and everyone and everything around them. This -- maybe combined with a zombie attack -- will make the community split up, driving them from the prison and getting them back on the general track of the comic book. Enter Abraham, Eugene, etc.

Anyway, what was up with the half-butchered deer and the other animal? It wasn't walkers...they'd never catch them unless they were in a trap, and then if they were they would have been devoured. Is that the Governor trying to lure walkers to the prison? The size and speed of their arrival would more sense if someone was luring/driving them there. And again, a final appearance by the Governor at the prison would kinda/sorta get things back on the comic book track.

Maybe. Maybe they've been exposed to some form of active Zombie virus from all the Zombies around. The people involved in the show have flat out said the show is not going to have anything to do with the comic storyline anymore so they won't be getting back on track ever. It would seem they are still going to bring in the characters though as per The Talking Dead.

i thought someone said the kid drank the pig water. That plus the way he stands over the water container in the wash focussed my attention on that.

I enjoyed the opener. I really was frustrated at season 3 because everyone lost half their brain cells. I nearly didn't finish the season (Netflix).

 gorgon wrote:
Well, it's that time again.

Spoiler:

I thought it was a solid opener. I kept wondering why Rick was helping the crazy lady, although I guess it's intended to show that Rick hasn't given up on others and the idea of treating each other in a civilized, humane way.

The extra protection on the main gate is a nice addition but they need something similar around the whole perimeter to prevent concentrations of walkers. In the comic use is made of things like ditches and spiked barricades (like when Rick meets up with Morgan again).

In regards the Governor and his abilities mentioned earlier, he was parasitising off people rather than actually providing a service. It only looked like he was providing because he was attacking other people to get their stuff. Anyone who was remotely competent was eliminated as a potential threat to his position meaning that he was surrounded by lackeys rather than people who would be useful long term. He infiltrated his own safe zone with walkers to provide entertainment and of cource his "daughter". In the end he killed off a large part of his population, the part that would have been better capable of defending against the walkers than those left behind at that.

We know they already carry the zombification virus. And we know that zombie bites cause the fever disease that kills. So either it's two virii (although I don't remember the guy at the CDC saying anything about that), or it's one virus that activates somehow at death, causing zombification in a dead boy and the fever in a live body.

We haven't seen any issues with animals being affected that I can recall, but I guess that doesn't really mean anything, especially if the only effect on animals is the fever sickness. So maybe the pig found a zombie part in the mud somewhere and ate it. The active virus killed the pig, although didn't cause zombification.

Spoiler:

Fine, but then since everyone else that ate the pig was apparently immune, does this indicate some kind of virus mutation that will only affect certain people?

I kinda hope there's a rationale behind this and explanation eventually coming. It won't matter to everyone, but it matters to me.

You have to ask if the virus is specific to humans and if so why? Can other primates get it? Are there zombie gorrilas out there or just us humans? Pigs are fairly close genetically which is why they get used in medical research and why they are used to grow organs, maybe that's why a pig might get sick and die from the same virus but not become a zombie pig. Obviously the world is not full of zombie animals or dead ones which suggests that most animals are immune from the effects of the virus. Think how many birds and other animals must have eaten corpses by now, or if they instictively know not to eat zombie flesh then the pig probably wouldn't have eaten zombie flesh.
Maybe the pig simply has something like mad cow disease, avian/swine flu. Was the porker in the woods dead from a trap or dying of disease, wasn't sure.

No! No zombie pigs! .....Zombie monkeys maybe....

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
No! No zombie pigs! .....Zombie monkeys maybe....

When are they going to bring back the Shane and Laurie story line? I kid. I kid. I hope they don't pull anymore of that Days of our Lives crap from season 2.

I reckon the Governor will be the season's boogey man and show up somewhere near the end of the season with buddy and what's-his-name as his zombified escorts.

I also think we'll see Govenor II: Govern Harder by season end.

I want to see a Zombie Lord (Zombie Lord Bob, former accountant, now emprah of all zombies). Also, we need some zombie pigs.

And pirates. Yar!

@cadbren: I think the kevlar pants/chaps that lumberjacks wear combined with a good set of tall leather boots might do the job for crawler protection without being overly heavy or bulky. Those shin guards to protect against snake bites would be an improvement too, although possibly harder to find/scrounge. I think a good power tool shop might have the pants.

Your comments about the governor got me thinking about how they contrast with a certain antagonist in the comic book right now. I think people have labeled him "another governor," but that's not really true.

I'm kinda backing off on speculating too much about the virus. Frankly, I'm not sure if it'll be fully explained, and maybe that makes sense. They don't have an epidemiologist in the group, and it's probably unrealistic that they'd figure it all out anyway.