Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)

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**whembly**

Yeesh... now what?

**KamikazeCanuck**

whembly wrote:
Yeesh... now what?

That's basically how it ended. Rick asked her directly and she admitted it and you could see him thinking: Yeesh...now what?

**cadbren**

Is she wrong though?

**Mr Nobody**

cadbren wrote:
Is she wrong though?

Well, it didn't help at all. She has also ticked off a guy who just slaughtered a horde of zombie with nothing but a hammer. she might be in trouble.

**cadbren**

Mr Nobody wrote:
cadbren wrote:
Is she wrong though?

Well, it didn't help at all. She has also ticked off a guy who just slaughtered a horde of zombie with nothing but a hammer. she might be in trouble.

I think she was right to kill them. They were going to turn so get in early before they became dangerous. Tyresse will calm down once he finds someone to pork.

**Mr Nobody**

cadbren wrote:
Mr Nobody wrote:
cadbren wrote:
Is she wrong though?

Well, it didn't help at all. She has also ticked off a guy who just slaughtered a horde of zombie with nothing but a hammer. she might be in trouble.

I think she was right to kill them. They were going to turn so get in early before they became dangerous. Tyresse will calm down once he finds someone to pork.

Another solution is to blame on someone who's already dead.

**AgeOfEgos**

So...

Spoiler:

**Ninjacommando**

Spoiler:

**Hulksmash**

Ninjacommando wrote:

Spoiler:

Last episode was weak,

Rick:
- Lost annoying wife
- Still has carl and daughter
- constantly complains about things
- Doesn't want carl to kill in a world gone to hell
- doesn't like to take charge anymore
- Only Cares about Carl and daughter's safety but does jack gak to keep them safe.
Carol:
- Lost abusive husband
- Lost daughter
- Teaches kids how to defend themselves and how to survive in the world gone to hell, because no one else thinks to teach them
- Head strong and makes tough choices to defend the group
- nothing gets to her and she wants to survive and help others to survive

Rick leaves her because she made a decision to kill two people to protect the group (you know the same thing rick did in season 2 except it was oh 5 people), instead of letting her and Tyreese deal with it. Also Rick doesn't even think about whats going to happen when DARYL finds out that he abandoned Carol. yeah ricks a great leader that doesn't look forward..............

I think Rick did the right thing:

Spoiler:

**cadbren**

Hulksmash wrote:
1. Carol killed two people who were in isolation, weren't exposing anybody else to the disease, and didn't know how the disease would affect adults (so far only a teenage boy had died). Not only that, but she does it an exposes herself to the disease while doing it! It's pure idiocy and completely unneeded.

While killing them instead of waiting for them to turn (which is within a day or so) is a debatable action, there were at least two who died from the infection. The kid and the man who locked himself in in his cell at night because he sleep walked. That proves right there that adults were capable of dying from it. Carol was no more exposed to the virus killing them than she was when escorting the infected into the cells.
What she did that was stupid was knocking over the water and then going out alone to futz with the hose.

2. Carol has become to cold. She basically feeds the people they met to the walkers by contradicting Rick. So she's responsible, in my opinion, for their death as well.

Two people who had survived as long as they had should not require their hands to be held. Those two screwed up and it's not like Rick exactly cared about what happened to them, he let them go off on their own with the guy having just had his shoulder popped back in - not exactly fighting fit.

Rick is not perfect, he left a lone person to get eaten after refusing to stop and pick him up, he also left that turned Irish couple still moving as a nice surprise for someone else to stumble across.

His son kills a man under questionable circumstances (though circumstances very similar to Rick's killing of the inmate) and he takes his son's gun away.

Carol kills two people who are going to die and turn, but because she doesn't wait another few hours suddenly she's a murderer and has to be kicked out? How's that even Rick's decision to make?

**Meade**

I think Rick was right, whether or not Carol's decision was the correct one for the survival of the group it wasn't hers to make. You simply can't live with a person after they make a decision like that without consulting the group, because you will always think well, what if your loved one (lets say carl) was suddenly the one endangering Carol's adopted daughter, or there had to be a choice, would she hesitate to kill someone else if it was necessary? If you love someone you simply can't think of them as an object no matter how bad the zombie apocalypse is.

**KamikazeCanuck**

In the beginning of the episode did Rick watch Carol kill somebody else or is that some kinda weird flashback that shows Rick knew all along?

**whembly**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
In the beginning of the episode did Rick watch Carol kill somebody else or is that some kinda weird flashback that shows Rick knew all along?

Spoiler:

**KamikazeCanuck**

whembly wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
In the beginning of the episode did Rick watch Carol kill somebody else or is that some kinda weird flashback that shows Rick knew all along?

Spoiler:

It was Rick doing the "Sherlock Holmes" thing in deducing what happened after Carol admitted that she killed them.

Ah, I see.

Anyway, seems Team Rick or Team Carol seems to be the debate of our times now. Rick's inconsistencies really irritate me, he seems to change his values every other week. I also think he's too indecisive to be a good leader.

I like Carol's anti-Rick like decisiveness but straight up murdering two people how are already in quarantine is the wrong call.

**Khornholio**

The mid season hiccough episode. There was way too much exposition in the last episode and not enough action. I fear the next episode is also going to be a bit of a let down as it appears to be from the trailer I saw that they'll just be running around the zombie hospital without the medication.

A longshot bet here, Carol either finds the Guv and returns to tell the rest of the group before the end of the season or some sort of cure for the disease setting up season 5.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Mid-season? It's like the 4th episode.

**gorgon**

Yeah, the 4th of 16 episodes. And what do people want to watch, 60 minutes of sharp objects going into zombie heads? It's a drama.

So regarding current events,

Spoiler:

**Frazzled**

I'm on Team Carol. Rick's a pussy now who should be terminated. Maybe Ri8ck couldn't handle the competition of a strong female.

If I were Carol I would have offed him and went back saying the zombies got him.

**Khornholio**

If it's a drama and not a zombie slaughter show, I'm on team Dale. Let's talk about ethics in hell for 60 minutes a week

.

I like more 'Day of the Dead' and less 'Days of Our Lives' in my zombie viewing. It hasn't gotten as bad as season 2 on that front thankfully. Why didn't we get to see the tattoo girl get pounced on by zombies instead of 20 seconds less of boring tomato pickin' exposition? Money probably.

I think Carol should have at least tried to have killed Rick if only to set up another beefier plot line.

**gorgon**

Frazzled wrote:
I'm on Team Carol. Rick's a pussy now who should be terminated. Maybe Ri8ck couldn't handle the competition of a strong female.

If I were Carol I would have offed him and went back saying the zombies got him.

Yeah, that makes sense.

**Frazzled**

It would make sense if you were Carol.

**Matt1785**

Should have had a trial for her. Got votes on what they should do with her. I suppose in their society it's meaningless to make a government, everyone just makes spot single-minded decisions all the time without asking.

Carol makes her call...

Now Rick makes his call about Carol...

Not asking anyone else? I know he doesn't want to say anything, but he'll have to say something now. It's not like the issue will just go away.

**Ninjacommando**

Rick' has become season 1 carol.. submissive, and overall useless

Carol's become what rick should be, while the question of If killing the 2 people who (as it currently stands) were going to die anyways is right or wrong. She took action when no one else did, what did rick do? Sit there and breath Heavily and complain about how carl's growning up.

the fact that Rick is presented as a man of his word and CONSTANTLY goes agianst what he says is getting annoying.

Rick: "I don't want to be the leader"
- so he makes a choice that the council should make, and doesn't even think of possible outcomes such as, Daryl leaving to go find her, Tyreese leaving to hunt her down. (Cause when Tyreese gets back and notices that Carol isn't there he's going to ask rick, and know that it was her. Rick has a horrible tell)

Goodjob Rick, you have reduced your current strength by 25% and have the possiblity of removing One Person who is your hunter and One person who hammered his way out of a herd and is overall wanted in a Zombie apoc...

Vote Rick, A pussy who doesn't think ahead.

**Frazzled**

Ninjacommando wrote:
Rick' has become season 1 carol.. submissive, and overall useless

Carol's become what rick should be, while the question of If killing the 2 people who (as it currently stands) were going to die anyways is right or wrong. She took action when no one else did, what did rick do? Sit there and breath Heavily and complain about how carl's growning up.

the fact that Rick is presented as a man of his word and CONSTANTLY goes agianst what he says is getting annoying.

Rick: "I don't want to be the leader"
- so he makes a choice that the council should make, and doesn't even think of possible outcomes such as, Daryl leaving to go find her, Tyreese leaving to hunt her down. (Cause when Tyreese gets back and notices that Carol isn't there he's going to ask rick, and know that it was her. Rick has a horrible tell)

Goodjob Rick, you have reduced your current strength by 25% and have the possiblity of removing One Person who is your hunter and One person who hammered his way out of a herd and is overall wanted in a Zombie apoc...

Vote Rick, A pussy who doesn't think ahead.

Exactly.

**gorgon**

Frazzled wrote:
It would make sense if you were Carol.

No, it really doesn't. She's not the Governor...yet. She isn't interested in killing anyone who gets in her way. And the way she accepted banishment indicates that she knows she crossed the line, murdering two people who might have lived.

Note that the Spanish flu epidemic had a mortality rate of something like 2.5%. Maybe this fictional bug is a lot nastier, fine. But the mortality rate from even something as mean as Ebola can vary widely. Some Ebola outbreaks have been as low as 25%, and even at its deadliest it's been around 90%. If we assume that this superflu isn't any worse than Ebola (and granted we're talking about bad science writing), then some of the afflicted will almost certainly live.

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Ninjacommando wrote:
Rick: "I don't want to be the leader"
- so he makes a choice that the council should make, and doesn't even think of possible outcomes such as, Daryl leaving to go find her, Tyreese leaving to hunt her down. (Cause when Tyreese gets back and notices that Carol isn't there he's going to ask rick, and know that it was her. Rick has a horrible tell)

But he didn't make the choice as a leader. He made the choice as a father who couldn't trust Carol around his family anymore. If Carl or Judith got sick, Carol was going to stick a knife in his/her ear -- disease outcome be damned.

**cadbren**

Rick's no weakling and can be hard when he wants to, problem is he never really gave a damn about anyone else apart from his family. They were all expendable. Now that Lori is dead (most hated character?) he's been forced to rethink the importance of those around him. A community can help raise his children, he certainly can't raise his baby by himself.

I believe he started his farm as an attempt to put down roots and form a permanent settlement. He took the gun off Carl because he wanted him to reconnect with society and not become just a cold killer. Maybe that's why he wanted Carol to go, because he doesn't want her to undo his desire to bring civilization back to the group. Carl had told him earlier that she was teaching the children to use knives, the knives that he let Carol take with her.

Either way, allowing her to go off on her own which is practically a death sentence is throwing away someone with useful medical skills. I wonder how he'll deal with the town drunk should that guy come to his attention?

**Ninjacommando**

gorgon wrote:

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Ninjacommando wrote:
Rick: "I don't want to be the leader"
- so he makes a choice that the council should make, and doesn't even think of possible outcomes such as, Daryl leaving to go find her, Tyreese leaving to hunt her down. (Cause when Tyreese gets back and notices that Carol isn't there he's going to ask rick, and know that it was her. Rick has a horrible tell)

But he didn't make the choice as a leader. He made the choice as a father who couldn't trust Carol around his family anymore. If Carl or Judith got sick, Carol was going to stick a knife in his/her ear -- disease outcome be damned.

you mean the same way she up and killed one of the girls she swore to protect? oh wait she didn't, she killed those two people as an attempt to stop the infection from spreading. Everyone pretty much infected so now she wouldn't bother killing them.

As for the only 25% mortality rate... 3 people are dead atm and no one has shown signs of recovery.. looks like a 100% mortality rate to me for now.

**Meade**

The difference between Rick's choice and Carol's choice, is that Carol chose to act alone and murder two people, whereas Rick chose to act alone and save one person (Carol, from Tyrese, who could be killed in a fight or pre-emptively by Carol anyway). Daryl is certainly free to go after her, but I doubt he will as she put him in an equally crappy position as Rick. Plus she is kind of creepy now.

Rick is not a pussy. He even sacrifices pigs. So what if he can talk to dead people?

**cadbren**

gorgon wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
It would make sense if you were Carol.

No, it really doesn't. She's not the Governor...yet. She isn't interested in killing anyone who gets in her way. And the way she accepted banishment indicates that she knows she crossed the line, murdering two people who might have lived.

Note that the Spanish flu epidemic had a mortality rate of something like 2.5%. Maybe this fictional bug is a lot nastier, fine. But the mortality rate from even something as mean as Ebola can vary widely. Some Ebola outbreaks have been as low as 25%, and even at its deadliest it's been around 90%. If we assume that this superflu isn't any worse than Ebola (and granted we're talking about bad science writing), then some of the afflicted will almost certainly live.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

Ninjacommando wrote:

As for the only 25% mortality rate... 3 people are dead atm and no one has shown signs of recovery.. looks like a 100% mortality rate to me for now.

just because it's killed 3 people so far doesn't in any way make it a 100% mortality rate. If anything several of the people that are infected have survived longer than patient 0 which is a good indicator that they'll survive the disease

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cadbren wrote:

Next question would be how many people during a zombie apocalypse would leave a cell door open if they had the chance to go to sleep with steel bars to protect them?

Because they could feel like they were being held prisoner, in general (Before the outbreak) they felt pretty safe inside the walls of the prison