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2013/11/20 01:27:52
Subject: Re:Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
whembly wrote: THen you'd have walking bonfires... which is baaaaaaaad.
They don't have Carol anymore, see knew how the fight zombies with fire
@ Shadow Captain Edithae you are correct about the fire weakening the fence, The problem was that zombies could break down part of the fence in the first place. Who ever buit this prison cut HUGE corners.
notice how the Chain link is continuous and its rolled on the outside of the poles, why in this show are each of the chain links a seperate segment between the poles
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2013/11/20 02:07:34
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Those are rolls of razor wire at the top. All chainlink fences have sections but they're wired together. The fence in the show would have been done like that so the extras playing the zombies could pour through without having to trample over the razorwire at the top. Those poles still shouldn't have bent and what kind of wood did they use for the stakes for them to break too?
2013/11/20 15:19:45
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
cadbren wrote: Those poles still shouldn't have bent and what kind of wood did they use for the stakes for them to break too?
Trees from the woods. Rick and Maggie were chopping up trees for stakes when the outbreak started and Maggie had to leave to save Hershel. If the weather is dry and hot (I don't recall it raining at the prison in recent episodes), then its possible the wood was dry and brittle.
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2013/11/20 16:35:34
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
cadbren wrote: Those poles still shouldn't have bent and what kind of wood did they use for the stakes for them to break too?
Trees from the woods. Rick and Maggie were chopping up trees for stakes when the outbreak started and Maggie had to leave to save Hershel. If the weather is dry and hot (I don't recall it raining at the prison in recent episodes), then its possible the wood was dry and brittle.
But drying strengthens the wood , thats what they do before they cut it and use it for contruction. I think the wood they used was made from plotainium/plotonium, they are as strong as the Plot needs them to be.
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2013/11/20 16:42:26
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
I thought about halfway through the episode that the Governor at the end of the last episode was a big fakeout.
I.e. Instead of being there for revenge, that he brings his new family to the one place he knows is safe. The prison pop has to deal with a reformed governor and his new family, etc.
Spoiler:
And then I watched the stupid next on Walking Dead and that theory was blown out of the water as he goes back to his old ways. I guess it could still happen since we are still in the past on the Gov's storyline. I.e. this new group blows up and he only just escapes with his new daughter and wife.
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2013/11/20 17:07:54
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
pretre wrote: I thought about halfway through the episode that the Governor at the end of the last episode was a big fakeout.
I.e. Instead of being there for revenge, that he brings his new family to the one place he knows is safe. The prison pop has to deal with a reformed governor and his new family, etc.
And then I watched the stupid next on Walking Dead and that theory was blown out of the water as he goes back to his old ways. I guess it could still happen since we are still in the past on the Gov's storyline. I.e. this new group blows up and he only just escapes with his new daughter and wife.
Some countries don't get the "next on Walking Dead" bit, so if you could refrain from posting spoilers from it in the open it would be much appreciated...
2013/11/20 17:09:53
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Umm okay. The thread says 'potential spoilers' in it, so there is that, but yeah... Editing my op.
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2013/11/25 03:27:26
Subject: Re:Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
I was very glad to see that they didn't try to reform the Governor. It would have been very phony writing, IMO.
And it's also interesting to note that the show's path seems to be intersecting the comic's once again. There'll be a tank outside the prison walls, and a woman named Lilly that might make a decision. Although I'm thinking that Tara may be playing the Lilly role in this case.
I kind of agree reforming the Guv would've been a bit fake, but at least we get a sense of his motivation outside of "surivin'". I'm assuming inside the prison the illness has passed, but we'll have to wait and see about that. I'm kind of bummed that there is going to some sort of Battle for the Jail II, as I found the story arc of the Guv way more interesting than what was happening with Rick and company. I was kind of hoping that it would be some sort of spin-off I guess, but now it seems that it is all being set up for either the Guv's death or at the very least Michone's and Darryl's. I just can't see them killing of Darryl as he is hands down the most popular character on show, even more popular than Lori was (I kid. I kid.) Unfortunately, I'm going to assume that the proverbial bubblegum won't hit the fan next week and we'll have to wait to see the actual battle way later. I'll go out on a limb and say that after the mid-season crescendo, they'll go and focus on Carol. I still think she is going to comeback big.
2013/11/25 05:16:29
Subject: Re:Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
:/, so the one episode that everyone liked and made the governor somewhat good just got thrown out of the window? Jesus this show has had enough of evil douches, and whats with the Good = stupid routine? Why couldn't we have a redeemed Guv walking around? its been 6 months, he must realize that he was a turd when he sat all keanu in that apartment.
the whole "we can't bring em back we don't have enough food as it is".. they have been in that spot for 6 months and no one thought of planting crops? I thought ricks group was bad at doing stuff but this just insane
Why couldn't they keep the redeemed Guv?
Every dam show on TV now has the "Once an evil douche, always an evil douche"
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2013/11/25 13:19:23
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Yeah...after episode 7...I think I preferred the Governor when he was a remorseful hermit. Looks like the storyline is being brought back to the baseline of the Comic books.
Spoiler:
I guess we can expect Hershel and Judith to die, and possibly Beth too seeing as she's become a surrogate mother for Judith.
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2013/11/25 14:13:37
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
I think the Gov. is just too much of a psychopath to be "reformed." His crazy obsession with watching walkers that are suspended in water is what drives him. He was all set to leave and take his new family away until he saw the walker-mud pit and for whatever reason that triggered his inner homicidal madman, and all of a sudden he got that murderous itch back. I liked the episode. I thought it was kind of eff'ed up when the younger army guy died and his brother took about 2 minutes to go ahead and be cool with it, but maybe that will play out more later.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Oh wait. His fluff, at this point, has him coming to blows with Lionel, Angryon, Magnus, and The Emprah. One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet.
Albatross wrote:I guess we'll never know. That is, until Frazzled releases his long-awaited solo album 'Touch My Weiner'. Then we'll know.
warboss wrote:I marvel at their ability to shoot the entire foot off with a shotgun instead of pistol shooting individual toes off like most businesses would.
Mr Nobody wrote:Going to war naked always seems like a good idea until someone trips on gravel.
Ghidorah wrote: You need to quit hating and trying to control other haters hating on other people's hobbies that they are trying to control.
ShumaGorath wrote:Posting in a thread where fat nerds who play with toys make fun of fat nerds who wear costumes outdoors.
Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Good thing it wasn't attacked by the EC, or it would be the assault on Magnir's Crack.
2013/11/25 15:20:13
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
On reflection I think the TV Governor is a vast improvement on the Comic Book Governor.
The comic/novel version was a weak coward (Brian Blake) who slowly morphed into a sadistic psychopath that assumed the name of his deceased brother (Philip Blake) as a new identity.
The TV version explains his motivations better. His daughter was killed (probably by people not walkers, as in the Rise of the Governor novels). And then her reanimated corpse was killed again by Michonne. He believes that if he'd been sadistic and violent from the beginning then his daughter would still be alive.
I disagree that its his obsession with the Walkers that drives him (the fish tank heads, submerged Pete, walkers trapped in the mud). Rather, its his obsession with protecting the people he loves. He failed to protect his daughter because he wasn't violent enough. He failed to protect her as a Walker.
When he was alone on the road after massacring the Woodury Army, he'd lost everyone he loved. With nobody to protect, he had no motivation and little desire to live.
Then he met the Chamblers, and they became his de facto family. He now has people he loves and needs to protect once again, so his violent personality is re-emerging.
Spoiler:
His obsession with protecting his loved ones has made him a control freak. He mentions that his older brother was the strong one.
In the comics and books, the real Philip Blake was the older and stronger more violent brother, and was the father of Penny. Brian was the younger brother, and started off as a weak coward. When Penny died, Philip started to go crazy, and Brian killed him. Brian then morphed into a more violent character and became 'The Governor'.
I think in the TV show they changed things a little. They made 'Philip' (if thats his real name) the younger, timid brother and the father of Penny (whereas he was the Uncle in the comics). Something happened that got Penny and the older brother killed prior to Woodbury (probably another violent group of people as in the novels).
The Governor killing Pete and Martinez was due to his control freakery. He feels the need to be in control so he can protect his loved ones, rather than relying on others. .
In Season 3 the Governor explained the fish tanks full of Walker heads as being a reminder of how dangerous the world is. Its a way of keeping himself 'in the zone', maintaining his violent 'Governor' personality that he thinks is necessary to protect the people he loves.
Similarly, I think the sight of the Walker herd trapped in the mud simply reminded him that it wasn't safe to go out on the road, and that he needed to be violent and sadistic to survive.
Woodbury is gone, he rammed the gates and burned it to the ground, so the only truly 'safe' place left in the area is the Prison. His main motivation is to take control of the Prison as a stronghold to protect his family. So he resolves to take over leadership of the camp, creating a second 'Woodbury' army.
His hatred of and desire for revenge against Michonne and Rick is simply an aspect of his 'Governor' personality. He sees them as threats to the people he loves.
So I don't think hes truly a psychopath. I think hes just gone through horrible experiences of losing the people he loves, and he thinks that only the strong survive in this new world, so he has to be sadistic and violent. Hes doing it to protect people, not because hes a simple psycopath who just does it for the love of violence. Hes very much the person that Rick could have been if he'd responded to the loss he went through by becoming more violent himself. ("You don't get to come back from things" - Clara, 4x01).
So I don't think the Governor is a simple, 100% evil villain.
Automatically Appended Next Post: My predictions for future episodes...
Spoiler:
Lots of people will die in the 2nd Prison assault. Hershel almost definitely. Judith too, and Beth (as the substitute mother for Lori, and as a subsitute for Hershels son Billy who died in the comics' Prison).
Most of the unnamed/minor extras will die (the few that have survived the flu outbreak anyway).
Maggie and Glenn will probably survive as in the comics (Glenn has probably the most significant and brutal death in the entire series, so they may wish to keep it for Season 5).
Lilly or maybe Tara will be the ones who kill Judith and Beth, and out of remorse and anger, kill the Governor. The massive herd seen earlier in Season 4 will be drawn to the Prison by the commotion, and any survivors of the Governors' new army will be forced to take refuge in the Prison.
Rick and Carl will probably spend some time alone on the run, trying to survive, until they can reunite with the rest of the group. Rick was shot at the prison in the comics, and Carl had to protect him for a while until Rick healed, so that would make for a great Rick & Carl -centric Episode 9, directly following the Prison assault, with the fate of the others unknown until episode 10.
The two sisters, Mica and Lizzie (the crazy one obsessed with Walkers) will probably survive. I they're the TV versions of Billy and Ben. Due to her disturbed psyche and obsession with Walkers, Lizzie might kill her sister like Ben did with Billy. Carl will then kill her, seeing her as a threat to the rest of the group (as in the comics).
By the end of the Season, the survivors of Ricks group will meet up with Abraham Ford, Eugene and Rosita, who are making their way to the 'Alexandria safe zone' in 'Washington' (the actual location may change, but it will probably be a long distance. I think we can expect two or three episodes of them on the road).
In one of the earlier episodes, Daryl, Michonne, Tyreese and Bob (driving to the Vetinerary College for medical supplies) heard a guy on the radio talking about a safe haven. This was clearly a foreshadowing for their next home after they leave the Prison.
The final episode of the Season will probably have them arriving at the Alexandria safe zone. And Season 5 will introduce Negan!
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2013/11/25 15:46:46
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
I don't doubt that he's driven to protect the people he cares about.
I just think there is something seriously bent in his head that is entirely separate and represents a real sadistic and psychotic monkey riding around shotgun in his brain. He may say that watching the walkers in the water keeps him sharp, but it seems more like the time honored tradition of serial killers keeping trophies around to remind them of "just how good it feels to be me."
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Oh wait. His fluff, at this point, has him coming to blows with Lionel, Angryon, Magnus, and The Emprah. One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet.
Albatross wrote:I guess we'll never know. That is, until Frazzled releases his long-awaited solo album 'Touch My Weiner'. Then we'll know.
warboss wrote:I marvel at their ability to shoot the entire foot off with a shotgun instead of pistol shooting individual toes off like most businesses would.
Mr Nobody wrote:Going to war naked always seems like a good idea until someone trips on gravel.
Ghidorah wrote: You need to quit hating and trying to control other haters hating on other people's hobbies that they are trying to control.
ShumaGorath wrote:Posting in a thread where fat nerds who play with toys make fun of fat nerds who wear costumes outdoors.
Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Good thing it wasn't attacked by the EC, or it would be the assault on Magnir's Crack.
2013/11/25 15:57:24
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Last 2 eps have been great, very nice change from the prison. Almost wish they had properly ditched the comics and had Shane leave instead of being killed so that he could come back later in Martinez's group, furious about Lori's death once he finds out. Seems like the new tank driver character is a way of introducing another Shane-type character to the show, so that should be fun.
Hopefully next week will be a proper version of last season's weak finale. The preview looked pretty cool.
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2013/11/25 16:20:43
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Lint wrote: I don't doubt that he's driven to protect the people he cares about.
I just think there is something seriously bent in his head that is entirely separate and represents a real sadistic and psychotic monkey riding around shotgun in his brain. He may say that watching the walkers in the water keeps him sharp, but it seems more like the time honored tradition of serial killers keeping trophies around to remind them of "just how good it feels to be me."
I don't deny that hes nuts. I just disagree that he was always that way. Everything we know about the TV Governor points to him having been a timid, weak character prior to the zombie apocalypse. I think it was the experience of losing his loved ones that made this way. He thinks that you have to be a violent psychopath to survive and protect your loved ones, so its more a survival mechanism than a natural aspect of his personality.
"Penny would be afraid of me. But if I'd been this way from the beginning, she'd still be alive". -Season 3, when Andrea asks him what would his daughter think of him.
I think that 'The Governor' was made, not born. And as such, his character serves as a foreshadowing for the type of person that people like Rick (and Carl in particular) could become as a result of their experiences.
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2013/11/25 16:39:38
Subject: Re:Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
I think I'm mostly with Lint regarding the Governor. While I do think that he's motivated to protect and that it was that motivation that triggered his "Governor gene" again, there's also something seriously wrong with him. Put simply, you can protect those you care about and make hard and even terrible calls without torturing people, running zombie games, keeping heads in jars, etc.
Regarding the future,
Spoiler:
...everything we've seen is that they like to give the comic's storyline a shakeup. So I'm expecting some curveballs. Personally, I'd like to see Judith live partially because of the little spot of hope she brings, but mostly because it would throw some additional complications at Rick.
It'd be very easy for the writers to kill off Judith. In many ways she's a complication for them too, and one that they've been ducking somewhat by having her off cloistered with Beth. But I'd like to see Rick, Carl and Judith escape together as a family on the run just to throw a curve in the comic dynamic.
The more I think about it, the more I think Tara will be the one to off the Gov. She's the one who's younger, implusive, more "full of it" and always seeking to impress. She'll go in gung-ho, do something she immediately regrets, and then set matters straight. Besides, she's been talking up her S&W way too much, and it'll bring things full circle to where she should have shot him the moment he showed up at their door.
Herschel and Beth would appear to be on the chopping block. I don't think Maggie and/or Glenn will get it -- they're the romantic focus for the show -- and obviously neither will Rick. Daryl's become too much of a draw at this point, so it won't be him either. Michonne seems off-limits just because there seems to be much more with her character that they can explore. But is she? I'm at least a tiny bit unsure.
I think something's going to occur with Bob at the middle of it. Bob was a Woodbury guy in the comic, and I still think there's going to be some kind of connection there in the show.
Glad they didn't try to reform The Governor. Seems like the next episode is going to be a do over of last year's disappointing finale and make it more like the comic. They made the Governor more villainous and this time they're bringing the tank and people who are not extras will actually die.
2013/11/26 07:42:54
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Khornholio wrote: So who destroyed the camp they came across in the woods after the Guv offed his ex-number 2? It wasn't Zombies. It wasn't them. Who?
I'm thinking a rogue military unit. Whoever chopped that dude's head off and tied him to a tree, and left all of those heads alive in the trailer.
Veteran Sergeant wrote:Oh wait. His fluff, at this point, has him coming to blows with Lionel, Angryon, Magnus, and The Emprah. One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet.
Albatross wrote:I guess we'll never know. That is, until Frazzled releases his long-awaited solo album 'Touch My Weiner'. Then we'll know.
warboss wrote:I marvel at their ability to shoot the entire foot off with a shotgun instead of pistol shooting individual toes off like most businesses would.
Mr Nobody wrote:Going to war naked always seems like a good idea until someone trips on gravel.
Ghidorah wrote: You need to quit hating and trying to control other haters hating on other people's hobbies that they are trying to control.
ShumaGorath wrote:Posting in a thread where fat nerds who play with toys make fun of fat nerds who wear costumes outdoors.
Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Good thing it wasn't attacked by the EC, or it would be the assault on Magnir's Crack.
2013/11/26 15:08:08
Subject: Re:Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Khornholio wrote: So who destroyed the camp they came across in the woods after the Guv offed his ex-number 2? It wasn't Zombies. It wasn't them. Who?
I'm thinking a rogue military unit. Whoever chopped that dude's head off and tied him to a tree, and left all of those heads alive in the trailer.
It was the guy that owned the house and had blown his own head off on the front porch that did that.
My bet is that we'll never know what happened in that camp. We don't need to know everything that is happening around the protagonists, having these random events thrown around that show the viewers only the parts that intersect with the main story adds immersion to the show.
2013/11/26 21:23:32
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Anybody else think it's implausible a group that actually includes many military people would just accept the leadership of some guy who showed up like a week before?
2013/11/26 21:25:08
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Chain of command. He's the new commander, you follow the chain.
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2013/11/26 21:36:09
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Haven't seen Sunday's episode yet, but its starting to sound...stupid. I really liked the Governor as a separate story. It would have been nice to show them "on the road" as it were or such to provide a counterpoint to the Prison, or alternatively as part of a new group for a few episodes and have Prison survivors run into them and seek refuge.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2013/11/26 22:22:09
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
Khornholio wrote: So who destroyed the camp they came across in the woods after the Guv offed his ex-number 2? It wasn't Zombies. It wasn't them. Who?
gorgon wrote: I think there's a good chance it's just some anonymous group that doesn't really matter for the storyline.
Then again, it could be that the writers are laying some groundwork for the introduction of another group that they're saving for another season.
My theory...
Spoiler:
The Hunters. The gang of cannibals from the comics, who attack Dale and amputate his leg for food.
They won't be revealed until after the Prison is overrun,
Spoiler:
and Rick reunites with the rest of the survivors (but before they encounter Abraham and co).
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand heres the twist...
Spoiler:
Seeing as Dale's already dead, it'll be DARYL who gets his leg chopped off and eaten. Which would be ironic considering hes a hunter himself
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The preview for the next episode indicates that Hershel gets captured. Hes fleeing from something (walkers and/or the Governor's people, probably), and is crossing what appears to be that little footbridge outside the Prison. Someone blocks his way, Hershel draws his gun but the other guy draws faster. Hershel probably surrenders at this point.
Spoiler:
In the comics, after the Governor's intial attack on the prison fails and the Woodbury Army flees, Michonne and Tyreese head out of the Prison following them. But they get spotted, and are attacked. Michonne loses her sword but escapes. Tyreese however is captured. The Governor brings Tyreese to the prison and beheads him with Michonne's sword.
It seems that they're going to keep Tyreese around a while longer, and Hershel & Michonne are already outside the prison with the Governor seemingly about to shoot at them. I think Michonne will escape, but Hershel will be captured and beheaded with the katana.
If the showrunners decide to off Tyreese too (maybe because Sasha is killed) then he'll be given Hershels comic book death. "Dear god, just kill me now" > Governor blows his brains out. Otherwise they may keep him around a while longer.
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gorgon wrote: I think I'm mostly with Lint regarding the Governor. While I do think that he's motivated to protect and that it was that motivation that triggered his "Governor gene" again, there's also something seriously wrong with him. Put simply, you can protect those you care about and make hard and even terrible calls without torturing people, running zombie games, keeping heads in jars, etc.
I agree, he is clearly nuts. I just think its the apocalypse that drove him nuts. He obviously wasn't a serial killer before it started.
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2013/11/27 03:39:30
Subject: Walking Dead Frazzled Mod Warning Potential Spoilers
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, thats what they do before they cut it and use it for contruction. I think the wood they used was made from plotainium/plotonium, they are as strong as the Plot needs them to be.
One can only assume he went into the Eye of Terror because he still hadn't had a chance to punch enough Primarchs yet. 
