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Hatewatching seems a bit strong... It's more like apathy trending towards mild dislike and fed-up-ness.

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Well come on, he is only supposed to be what 14 here.

Only 14? gak he has had two years to train with Shane, Rick, Daryl Slayer of Tanks. If a child soldier can do it with minimal training and while high, Carl should be able to do it better as he has been trained... Better.

Well earlier in the season he was a killing machine. In this he was a killing machine, he's just not good at retreating-clearly a Marine at heart. How 'bout you? How many head shots could you make at 14?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Well come on, he is only supposed to be what 14 here.

Only 14? gak he has had two years to train with Shane, Rick, Daryl Slayer of Tanks. If a child soldier can do it with minimal training and while high, Carl should be able to do it better as he has been trained... Better.

Well earlier in the season he was a killing machine. In this he was a killing machine, he's just not good at retreating-clearly a Marine at heart. How 'bout you? How many head shots could you make at 14?

Well, the answer is of course all of them. This forum is full of hardcore stone-cold killas, haven't you learned that by now?

 gorgon wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Well come on, he is only supposed to be what 14 here.

Only 14? gak he has had two years to train with Shane, Rick, Daryl Slayer of Tanks. If a child soldier can do it with minimal training and while high, Carl should be able to do it better as he has been trained... Better.

Well earlier in the season he was a killing machine. In this he was a killing machine, he's just not good at retreating-clearly a Marine at heart. How 'bout you? How many head shots could you make at 14?

Well, the answer is of course all of them. This forum is full of hardcore stone-cold killas, haven't you learned that by now?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Well come on, he is only supposed to be what 14 here.

Only 14? gak he has had two years to train with Shane, Rick, Daryl Slayer of Tanks. If a child soldier can do it with minimal training and while high, Carl should be able to do it better as he has been trained... Better.

Well earlier in the season he was a killing machine. In this he was a killing machine, he's just not good at retreating-clearly a Marine at heart. How 'bout you? How many head shots could you make at 14?

With two years of training at less than 50ft probably most of them. On my high school rifle team I averaged around 270/300 30 targets standing kneeling prone.

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Well come on, he is only supposed to be what 14 here.

Only 14? gak he has had two years to train with Shane, Rick, Daryl Slayer of Tanks. If a child soldier can do it with minimal training and while high, Carl should be able to do it better as he has been trained... Better.

Well earlier in the season he was a killing machine. In this he was a killing machine, he's just not good at retreating-clearly a Marine at heart. How 'bout you? How many head shots could you make at 14?

With two years of training at less than 50ft probably most of them. On my high school rifle team I averaged around 270/300 30 targets standing kneeling prone.

-Jr. High kid
-moving target
-moving shooter
-freehand pistol
world of difference.

I shoot head shots all the time in competition. But I'm driving a competition gun, the targets aren't moving, and the targets won't bite my face if I miss...

Well in this episode, Carl does miss...a lot. He misses half of his shots at least. He kills 3 walkers only when they're at point blank range, collapsing on top of him. He accidentally discharges his gun and hits a ceiling when hes jumped in the house. He thinks his dad has died and turned, but chokes and can't bring himself to kill "walker Rick".

You're exaggerating a wee bit with the "killing machine" remark.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Well come on, he is only supposed to be what 14 here.

Only 14? gak he has had two years to train with Shane, Rick, Daryl Slayer of Tanks. If a child soldier can do it with minimal training and while high, Carl should be able to do it better as he has been trained... Better.

Well earlier in the season he was a killing machine. In this he was a killing machine, he's just not good at retreating-clearly a Marine at heart. How 'bout you? How many head shots could you make at 14?

With two years of training at less than 50ft probably most of them. On my high school rifle team I averaged around 270/300 30 targets standing kneeling prone.

-Jr. High kid
-moving target
-moving shooter
-freehand pistol
world of difference.

I shoot head shots all the time in competition. But I'm driving a competition gun, the targets aren't moving, and the targets won't bite my face if I miss...

Again after two years of training with the people above, Probably would of learned to bait zeds away and I would of taken a .22 or a larger caliber Rifle I could handle from the laundry hamper of guns they had instead of his handgun with 5 bullets.

The zombies move pretty dam slow. You're acting like the zeds are running and ducking for cover, if anything goes wrong I'd pull a michonne and walk away briskly. You shoot competition you know breath control and timing, even if there moving you should be able to see how each one moves and time your shots accordingly.

To be fair, what's needed also isn't just any old head shot but a lethal brain injury. Hits to the lower 2/3rds of the head may only end up blowing off some pieces.

Now multiply that by all of Frazz's conditions and oh, I dunno, the stress of rotting animated corpses coming to eat your flesh, and personally I think you're absolutely *nuts* to compare it to a competition target shooting situation.

 gorgon wrote:
To be fair, what's needed also isn't just any old head shot but a lethal brain injury. Hits to the lower 2/3rds of the head may only end up blowing off some pieces.

Now multiply that by all of Frazz's conditions and oh, I dunno, the stress of rotting animated corpses coming to eat your flesh, and personally I think you're absolutely *nuts* to compare it to a competition target shooting situation.

Again the only comparison between them that I am making is breath control and timing. These are lessons you should be taught anyways when learning to shoot. Great the zombies are moving towards you in a strait line swaying back and forth in a set pattern, time the movements and fire. If they're getting close back up and rinse repeat. Carl has been trained over the past two years, the fact that he keeps making stupid choices is annoying.

Season 3 Carl used two hands with his pistol and would adopt a stance when killing zeds. Now he is running around taking shots with one hand. He went from a good shooter to a very gakky one.

 Ninjacommando wrote:

Season 3 Carl used two hands with his pistol and would adopt a stance when killing zeds. Now he is running around taking shots with one hand. He went from a good shooter to a very gakky one.

Perhaps he bought into his own hype. Carl is an angsty teen who has done some pretty bad ass stuff when other bad asses he looks up to have failed. Doesn't seem like much of a stretch for a young teen to start believing he is Jason Bourne and acting like an idiot.


*spellin'

high school rifle team

What?

I'd completely forgotten that it was starting up again until I saw a review on you tube, I think that they should go back to a survivalist style like in season 1. I was never really a big fan of Carls, but after last night I feel like he's just an absolute idiot after about 2 years you'd think you'd realize not to take liberties with zombies.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

high school rifle team

What?

I'd completely forgotten that it was starting up again until I saw a review on you tube, I think that they should go back to a survivalist style like in season 1. I was never really a big fan of Carls, but after last night I feel like he's just an absolute idiot after about 2 years you'd think you'd realize not to take liberties with zombies.

Public highschool in North Viriginia, There was a range under the school for us but they stoped using it in the 90's because of the "Muh chillinz" people (Even though every other school in the district still had their ranges up).

And now that I think back on it its hilarious. The Area I lived in was Super Left (Arlington), the school gave me and the other members of the team rifles and most of use lived in apartments that overlooked the school or the downtown area.

 pretre wrote:
I was disappointed in how silly Carl acted at times, but he is a teenager deep in the 'I hate my dad' section of his life, so I forgive him a little. Mostly, I agree with the Talahassee comment. First step of any home clear should be knocking loudly on each door.

and he watched his Mum gutted to remove his little sister that subsequently got "lost" after the tank assault and after the horror of seeing his Mum split open, put a bullet in her brain. He's stable...

Oh he is certainly NOT stable. Expect him to become a borderline psychopath in future.

Its going to be an ongoing story arc for at least the next season and a half.

Anyone who has survived this long should be stark raving mad actually.

Who says they're not?

 Frazzled wrote:
Anyone who has survived this long should be stark raving mad actually.

But what if they were mad to begin with and are now having a wonderful time?

It could be worse... if you have read Crossed it could be much worse.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Who says they're not?

Oh njust commenting on the "psycho" comment. I think anyone surviving at this point would be ragingly psychotic.

Hehe. Just wait till we see The Hunters and The Saviours.

I'm glad it is back on TV. It gives me something to watch on Monday afternoon. As for all the plot turns and comparison with the comics, I'm too much of a casual fan to really care. My internal sharkjumpometer will go off if need be. So far so good.

So no one's talking about the new episode? Surprises galore...

Strange twists underway that's for sure. At least no more ghosts...

I think it was an excellent episode and my wife summed it up well:

"It's over already! There's so much more!"

I loved the episode.And Glenn is the shiz. And thank goodness Rick hadn't gotten around to telling Tyreese why Carol didn't come back before it hit the fan

Pretty good episode Last four or five had really improved the series

I thought it was another great episode except for the final shot. I'm sure those characters probably have some big relevance to the comic book readers, and it's pretty clear they posed them in that shot like it was a panel from a comic book, but I literally lol'd (in a bad way).

 yakface wrote:

Spoiler:

I mean, c'mon, that LOOKS like a joke...the 'hot' lady in tiny camo shorts/shirt, the dude with a mullet and a hot head soldier with a handlebar mustache?

This is a case of sticking too closely to the source material I'm guessing, even when it looks incredibly cheesy in live action. I just hope the characters are interesting enough to overcome this initial impression.

Is that Sam from LotR?

I'm beginning to enjoy the show a bit more now that they're back on the road, feels a lot more like they're post apocalyptic show and less like a soap drama.

 yakface wrote:

I thought it was another great episode except for the final shot. I'm sure those characters probably have some big relevance to the comic book readers, and it's pretty clear they posed them in that shot like it was a panel from a comic book, but I literally lol'd (in a bad way).

Spoiler:

I mean, c'mon, that LOOKS like a joke...the 'hot' lady in tiny camo shorts/shirt, the dude with a mullet and a hot head soldier with a handlebar mustache?

This is a case of sticking too closely to the source material I'm guessing, even when it looks incredibly cheesy in live action. I just hope the characters are interesting enough to overcome this initial impression.

I think they are close enough to their comic book counterparts so they are instantly recognizable:


I was excited to finally see them on the show.

Wow. Glen is a badass. He just dove right into that crowd. That was pretty awesome, if a little stupid.