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Yeah, realistically I don't know if Glenn would have been able to push through them like that. Sure, he's wearing armor and they're mindless, etc., but all those zombies still have MASS. I'm not really trying to nitpick and bring reality into it so much as say wow, Glenn is one motivated individual.

@yak -- Abraham is probably one of the most loved characters among fans of the comic. I think that last shot was as you said -- mostly a nod to the comic fans to say "Abraham has arrived!"

I don't know if he could have but I reconcile it with the fact that he also didn't have to dive into the middle of them either. He could have shoulder his way through around the edges of the slow moving crowd. So while he might not have been able to push through that many zombies (especially while still sick) he could have made so I'm ok with it.

Plus it gave us some great shots and made Glenn look more awesome.

@yak -- Abraham is probably one of the most loved characters among fans of the comic. I think that last shot was as you said -- mostly a nod to the comic fans to say "Abraham has arrived!"

Why? I don't read the comics.

 Frazzled wrote:

@yak -- Abraham is probably one of the most loved characters among fans of the comic. I think that last shot was as you said -- mostly a nod to the comic fans to say "Abraham has arrived!"

Why? I don't read the comics.

Um.

To be clear, why is he the most loved? You can spoiler if needed.

 Frazzled wrote:
To be clear, why is he the most loved? You can spoiler if needed.

 Frazzled wrote:
To be clear, why is he the most loved? You can spoiler if needed.

He did say "one of" 

I must admit I was always fairly ambivlent about him - Andrea is my fav character by a long way - which is why I didn’t like her in the tv show. But then it’s always difficult to translate from one medium to another - even when both are visual......

Caroline is my all time fav in the Vampire Diaries but apparently nothing like her character in the books................

 Frazzled wrote:
To be clear, why is he the most loved? You can spoiler if needed.

Oh.

I think Andrew pretty much covered it. It is kinda interesting that they have Daryl, Abraham and Tyreese concurrently operating in the badass role.

I'm loving it, definitely missed it while it's been gone!

But am I the only one hoping that Carl dies or becomes a walker, with each passing episode he becomes more of a jerk wit this whole "I'm 14 and can take care or myself now I don't need anyone" angsty behavior of his, especially when he has a massive go at his Rick when he's laying half dead on the sofa after taking a hell of a beating from the governor, ugh, hating the boy more and more.

But if/when Beth dies, man I'm going to be heartbroken, easily my favorite character of the current lot

 tomball0706 wrote:
I'm loving it, definitely missed it while it's been gone!

But am I the only one hoping that Carl dies or becomes a walker, with each passing episode he becomes more of a jerk wit this whole "I'm 14 and can take care or myself now I don't need anyone" angsty behavior of his, especially when he has a massive go at his Rick when he's laying half dead on the sofa after taking a hell of a beating from the governor, ugh, hating the boy more and more.

But if/when Beth dies, man I'm going to be heartbroken, easily my favorite character of the current lot

Having just read the comic books, Carl makes a lot more sense there since in that scene you're talking about he's 7 or 8.

 pretre wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
I'm loving it, definitely missed it while it's been gone!

But am I the only one hoping that Carl dies or becomes a walker, with each passing episode he becomes more of a jerk wit this whole "I'm 14 and can take care or myself now I don't need anyone" angsty behavior of his, especially when he has a massive go at his Rick when he's laying half dead on the sofa after taking a hell of a beating from the governor, ugh, hating the boy more and more.

But if/when Beth dies, man I'm going to be heartbroken, easily my favorite character of the current lot

Having just read the comic books, Carl makes a lot more sense there since in that scene you're talking about he's 7 or 8.

Wait what, he's 7/8? I presumed that he was in the age range of 13/14? My mistake, still doesn't make me like him anymore

 tomball0706 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
I'm loving it, definitely missed it while it's been gone!

But am I the only one hoping that Carl dies or becomes a walker, with each passing episode he becomes more of a jerk wit this whole "I'm 14 and can take care or myself now I don't need anyone" angsty behavior of his, especially when he has a massive go at his Rick when he's laying half dead on the sofa after taking a hell of a beating from the governor, ugh, hating the boy more and more.

But if/when Beth dies, man I'm going to be heartbroken, easily my favorite character of the current lot

Having just read the comic books, Carl makes a lot more sense there since in that scene you're talking about he's 7 or 8.

Wait what, he's 7/8? I presumed that he was in the age range of 13/14? My mistake, still doesn't make me like him anymore

Yeah, in the comics he is 7 or 8. Obviously, that wouldn't work as well on the screen. Also, in the comics, he never had that badass phase that TV Carl went through in the last season or so. So when he is all alone with his dad and his dad is passed the F'out, it's a lot more of a big deal.

 pretre wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
I'm loving it, definitely missed it while it's been gone!

But am I the only one hoping that Carl dies or becomes a walker, with each passing episode he becomes more of a jerk wit this whole "I'm 14 and can take care or myself now I don't need anyone" angsty behavior of his, especially when he has a massive go at his Rick when he's laying half dead on the sofa after taking a hell of a beating from the governor, ugh, hating the boy more and more.

But if/when Beth dies, man I'm going to be heartbroken, easily my favorite character of the current lot

Having just read the comic books, Carl makes a lot more sense there since in that scene you're talking about he's 7 or 8.

Wait what, he's 7/8? I presumed that he was in the age range of 13/14? My mistake, still doesn't make me like him anymore

Yeah, in the comics he is 7 or 8. Obviously, that wouldn't work as well on the screen. Also, in the comics, he never had that badass phase that TV Carl went through in the last season or so. So when he is all alone with his dad and his dad is passed the F'out, it's a lot more of a big deal.

Ahhhhh, well thank you for clearing that up, really need to get round to reading the comics, I have a fair few of them but can never seem to find the time sadly

 tomball0706 wrote:
Ahhhhh, well thank you for clearing that up, really need to get round to reading the comics, I have a fair few of them but can never seem to find the time sadly

Throw them in the bathroom or something.

I picked up 1-17 last week and am done; they are really a quick read.

 pretre wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
Ahhhhh, well thank you for clearing that up, really need to get round to reading the comics, I have a fair few of them but can never seem to find the time sadly

Throw them in the bathroom or something.

I picked up 1-17 last week and am done; they are really a quick read.

I'm currently re-reading the entire Heresy at the moment, and using them as a break from books if that makes sense? And hey, how do you think I get in most of my reading time

 tomball0706 wrote:
But am I the only one hoping that Carl dies or becomes a walker, with each passing episode he becomes more of a jerk wit this whole "I'm 14 and can take care or myself now I don't need anyone" angsty behavior of his, especially when he has a massive go at his Rick when he's laying half dead on the sofa after taking a hell of a beating from the governor, ugh, hating the boy more and more.

Na man, give Carl a chance. This is the point in the comics at which he begins to come into his own and become a more interesting character. The "mini-Governor" story arc that Carl's had for the last two seasons is going to continue for a while, as Carl's attitude and outlook continues to be hardened by encounters with villains.


COMIC SPOILERS

@Shadow Cap: I think you might be skipping a bit of stuff on what the next 'big bad' is.

Its kind of interesting how the plot of the tv show moves much slower than in the comic, but the characters (well at least the actors) age much faster in the show. I mean Carl is still basically a little kid in the comics, but hes an adolescent already in the show.

 pretre wrote:
@Shadow Cap: I think you might be skipping a bit of stuff on what the next 'big bad' is.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 pretre wrote:
@Shadow Cap: I think you might be skipping a bit of stuff on what the next 'big bad' is.

Spoiler:

Not at all. I've read the comics and 'm fully aware of The Hunters, but they are a relatively minor threat in comparison to the Woodbury Army and the Saviours. They kill just one of Rick's group then get massacred by Rick and co. They're not really the next "Big Bad" are they?

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Its kind of interesting how the plot of the tv show moves much slower than in the comic, but the characters (well at least the actors) age much faster in the show. I mean Carl is still basically a little kid in the comics, but hes an adolescent already in the show.

Spoiler:

If Carl ever meets Neegan, Neegan will not spare him because he is a tough little kid. At this rate, Carl will be in his late teens when that happens. Carl will of course be a better shot, you know stereo vision and all.

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 Andrew1975 wrote:


The Negan thing is still light years away at this point. They have only just run into Abraham.

I think Rick will probably reach W. by the finale, and if N. isn't introduced in the finale then it will be early on in Season 5. There are 6 more episodes till the finale - hardly light years away.

Unless of course the show runners invent a lot of material again to drag out the storylines, which is very possible but can't really be predicted. Based on the comics, the storyline of the last 3 episodes of the show does seem to be speeding up again.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Its kind of interesting how the plot of the tv show moves much slower than in the comic, but the characters (well at least the actors) age much faster in the show. I mean Carl is still basically a little kid in the comics, but hes an adolescent already in the show.

Spoiler:

If Carl ever meets Neegan, Neegan will not spare him because he is a tough little kid. At this rate, Carl will be in his late teens when that happens. Carl will of course be a better shot, you know stereo vision and all.

Spoiler:

Actually, Carl is shot and loses an eye after they reach Washington, and shortly before they encounter they enceounter Negan for the first time. If the show still more or less follows the Comics' storyline, then it may still happen.

And IIRC, Negan didn't spare Carl because he was a kid, but because he was impressed by Carl's sheer audacity.

Walking Dead wiki wrote:Carl bitterly hates Negan, and this is provoked by him killing Glenn, and reaches a point where Carl risks his life to get revenge, when he sneaks into Negan's truck in order to kill him.[2] It appears though, that Negan likes and admires Carl because of how hardened he is. It is shown that he may even have some higher opinion of the child, such as respect, as he is shown to be sincerely concerned and apologetic after making fun of his exposed gunshot injury. Carl returns Negan's admiration for him by accompanying him throughout the Savior's base without even trying to run or take action, also questioning the leader out of his wives, which one was actually his. Negan may very well be catering Carl to become a protege of some sort, as he is shown to be more impressed by the boy rather than angered by his violence against his men. However, since Carl shot Lucille, Negan now wants to kill him, even menacing The Alexandria's citizens to kill Rick, Nicholas, Holly, and Heath in front of them if Carl weren't sent to him.

As for where the story is going.......Terminous is throwing me for a loop, unless that is the new name for Alexandria.

Just finished watching the newest episode, boy oh boy Abraham and his companions look awesome!

I wouldnt be basing too much of what will happen on the comics any more... I think they want this series to keep on going, and they will add lots more... it has taken a LOT longer to get through each phase in the show, and they keep adding in stuff to make it longer.



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loving the actors that play abraham and his gang though, SPOT ON!!!

While clearly there are significant differences in terms of characters and certain details, the overall plot does generally follow the one in the comics. They're encountering many of the same people and places.

Kirkman is in all those writers' meetings. While I'm sure he's having fun changing the formula and creating a kind of "what if" alternate reality from the comics, it's still his baby. He wrote the story he wrote because he liked the story, so I tend to think he's going to push for them to follow it in a general way.

 gorgon wrote:
While clearly there are significant differences in terms of characters and certain details, the overall plot does generally follow the one in the comics. They're encountering many of the same people and places.

Kirkman is in all those writers' meetings. While I'm sure he's having fun changing the formula and creating a kind of "what if" alternate reality from the comics, it's still his baby. He wrote the story he wrote because he liked the story, so I tend to think he's going to push for them to follow it in a general way.

Maybe,but I don't know. Like I said Terminus is really throwing me off, unless I am forgetting something. This could be a major departure from the comic, which would be fine. To be honest the comic has been going in circles for a while. Gov, Gov act 2, Negan, Negan act 2, Negan act3.

Perhaps the "Terminus" is the Saviours' base.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

I think they are close enough to their comic book counterparts so they are instantly recognizable:

I was excited to finally see them on the show.

But this is my point. There are some things that look okay even cool in a comic book panel that look absolutely absurd when you see them in real life. A good film/TV show understands this and makes the small changes necessary to keep the flavor of the original character intact while still making them not look absolutely ludicrous.

I thought that overall this was a very strong episode, but then that final shot took me completely out of the story and just made me laugh at how ridiculous those new characters look...they're more like caricatures than characters. It's a really distressing sign to me when they're willing to give up immersion and a sense of 'realism' (within the realm of the ridiculous that the show does operate in) in order to pay homage to the source material.

If this ends up being the start of a trend, then this may be the point where TWD as a TV show jumps the shark. With the revolving cast of showrunners on the TWD, it may be a case now where the guy in charge is now deferring *too much* to Kirkman's input. Without having read the comics I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing that up to this point significant changes have been made in many cases to keep the TV story a little more believable when you see it onscreen, because just matter of fact there are things you can get away with in a comic that don't seem unrealistic that seem idiotic when you see them realized in live action.

So I just hope this isn't the start of a trend!

 yakface wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

I think they are close enough to their comic book counterparts so they are instantly recognizable:

I was excited to finally see them on the show.

But this is my point. There are some things that look okay even cool in a comic book panel that look absolutely absurd when you see them in real life. A good film/TV show understands this and makes the small changes necessary to keep the flavor of the original character intact while still making them not look absolutely ludicrous.

I thought that overall this was a very strong episode, but then that final shot took me completely out of the story and just made me laugh at how ridiculous those new characters look...they're more like caricatures than characters. It's a really distressing sign to me when they're willing to give up immersion and a sense of 'realism' (within the realm of the ridiculous that the show does operate in) in order to pay homage to the source material.

If this ends up being the start of a trend, then this may be the point where TWD as a TV show jumps the shark. With the revolving cast of showrunners on the TWD, it may be a case now where the guy in charge is now deferring *too much* to Kirkman's input. Without having read the comics I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing that up to this point significant changes have been made in many cases to keep the TV story a little more believable when you see it onscreen, because just matter of fact there are things you can get away with in a comic that don't seem unrealistic that seem idiotic when you see them realized in live action.

So I just hope this isn't the start of a trend!

I think they are doing a good job walking the fine line between being like the comic and standing on its own. Lots and lots (and lots) of fans of the show also read the comics, so they would rightfully miffed if popular and important characters finally show up, yet look nothing like their comic book counterparts. I want the show to stay close to the source material. I don't think it is absurd that these characters resemble how they appear in the comic.