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 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I don't know why they had to jump into a zombie pit anyway. That seemed like the worst possible way to deal with that situation.

My assumption was that the floor was so weakened by flooding and rotting wood that it was safer to jump down and fight behind a barricade than risk the floor collapsing even further and taking people down with it as they struggled to kill the Walkers from above using spears and other long improvised weapons etc. It should have worked, the barricade was protecting them (though a walker could have crawled through the shelves under the water - the one that bit Bot was invisible underwater). It was only Gabriel's panic attack that forced the group to break ranks and move out from the safety of the barricade to protect him.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I don't know why they had to jump into a zombie pit anyway. That seemed like the worst possible way to deal with that situation.

LOL yes!


thats what I was thinking... FFS I would be just jabbing them all with spears... let alone thinking about any zombies that are under the water that can bite you without you seeing.... I think they mentioned something about the floor collapsing, so maybe that could be why...


compared to larger plot holes with Zombies in general, pretty minor,

zombies: its the end of the world! you know... unless they run into some guys with armour from the past 2000+ years.... seriously... a few sets of chain maille, castle like defenses that herd the Z's into kill zones... bam you are good... let alone modern military vs unarmed, un organized, thoughtless masses isnt exactly going to play out as it does in the shows...

Only just started watching. and basically at season 2 now.
It seems kinda silly how much damage these zombies do considering they seem to be so easily herded by sound.

Like how are they actually able to beat out an em-placed military zone (CDC)

Why dont they round them up into a kill pit or something.

I find when they take out the walkers with their tiny knives ridiculous

why not wire a large knife to a pole and get some distance with that bitch

 mitch_rifle wrote:
I find when they take out the walkers with their tiny knives ridiculous

why not wire a large knife to a pole and get some distance with that bitch

Hech i always tough it would be an excellent idea to do the dawn of the dead kill bus with the chainsaw slit (though in a stationary position so they dont have that dumb accident (or just dont let the oooold guy hold the saw) so they could just sit there and mow em down for a while then run away to get fuel or recharge portable battery if battery powered.

 mitch_rifle wrote:
I find when they take out the walkers with their tiny knives ridiculous

why not wire a large knife to a pole and get some distance with that bitch

Because a large spear is unwieldy and useless when grappling with a walker.


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 Desubot wrote:

 mitch_rifle wrote:
I find when they take out the walkers with their tiny knives ridiculous

why not wire a large knife to a pole and get some distance with that bitch

Hech i always tough it would be an excellent idea to do the dawn of the dead kill bus with the chainsaw slit (though in a stationary position so they dont have that dumb accident (or just dont let the oooold guy hold the saw) so they could just sit there and mow em down for a while then run away to get fuel or recharge portable battery if battery powered.

Waste of fuel. It wouldn't kill zombies unless you destroyed their heads. And the relative handful of zombies you'd kill would be a drop in the ocean.


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 easysauce wrote:
zombies: its the end of the world! you know... unless they run into some guys with armour from the past 2000+ years.... seriously... a few sets of chain maille,

Feth chainmail. Use duct tape.

http://neptunic.com/products/sharksuits

And I wouldn't use a knife, I have one of these guys

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
zombies: its the end of the world! you know... unless they run into some guys with armour from the past 2000+ years.... seriously... a few sets of chain maille,

Feth chainmail. Use duct tape.

yeah... and before bob got bit for real, he got bit, but was OK cause the zombie bit his bandage....

wtf? a cloth bandage is enough?

in terms of super weapons, I think Ash's car with the helicopter type blade on the front would be awesome,

 easysauce wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
zombies: its the end of the world! you know... unless they run into some guys with armour from the past 2000+ years.... seriously... a few sets of chain maille,

Feth chainmail. Use duct tape.

yeah... and before bob got bit for real, he got bit, but was OK cause the zombie bit his bandage....

wtf? a cloth bandage is enough?

in terms of super weapons, I think Ash's car with the helicopter type blade on the front would be awesome,

If the zombie bites down the bandage itself. Its no different to biting and tugging at a sleeve.

The point of the spear is so that you dont end up grappling with a walker.

walking up and grappling with a walker to stab it in the head with a knife is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. It significantly increases your chances of getting injured or bitten
The advantage of using a spear is to dispatch the walker at a distance before you get into a wrestling match. Spear's are useful that's why mankind used for for a couple of tens of thousands of years.

the spear doesnt even really have to be very long even 3-4ft would be sufficient to give you that distance and thrust to dispatch the creature. using both your hands will also give you more power and tire you less

Distance will give you that advantage in a close quarter fight, thats why if you get into a tiff dont go to ground stay on your feet and as much distance between the target and yourself

and if you do happen to get into a grappling match with a Z the haft can be used to keep the creatures at a distance to give you those precious few seconds to think of what your going to do next

And do you know what you do if your too confined to use your spear?

put it down and withdraw your secondary knife, or stick or pole or whatever you use to cave heads in

but for theatrics and the television i understand the need to get down and dirty with the walkers. although personally i think it'd be just as cool if the characters used a bit of brainpower to come up with some safer and more inteligent ways to dispatch them

To shadow, then make multiple slits so you could get the head with the chainsaw. But ether way it doesnt have to be a chainsaw. heck a couple guys with spears behind a slit wall to punch out a bunch every day could clear out a small town in releitve safety in a few days.

If all else fails figure a way to trigger car alarms or horns if it gets to dicey to lure some away for escape.

Id figure it would be bad to get bit on a bandage if there was an open wound underneath.

Didn't they quite regularly use spears when they were patrolling the walls at the prison?

 Compel wrote:
Didn't they quite regularly use spears when they were patrolling the walls at the prison?

They had machetes, crowbars and the like. Hardly spears.

Michonne crafted a spear while they were imprisoned in Terminus, and used it during the escape (you see it when Carl is grappling with a walker, and tells Michonne to kill it). But she probably discarded it in favour of the assault rifle. And she has her katana back now anyway.


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 Desubot wrote:
To shadow, then make multiple slits so you could get the head with the chainsaw. But ether way it doesnt have to be a chainsaw. heck a couple guys with spears behind a slit wall to punch out a bunch every day could clear out a small town in releitve safety in a few days.

If all else fails figure a way to trigger car alarms or horns if it gets to dicey to lure some away for escape.

Id figure it would be bad to get bit on a bandage if there was an open wound underneath.

Attach long sharp blades to the wheels and the sides of the vehicle, and you'd have yourself a modern day scythed chariot.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Attach long sharp blades to the wheels and the sides of the vehicle, and you'd have yourself a modern day scythed chariot.

LOL I already suggested that! think Ash's car from army of darkness....


Im suprised in the comics there hasnt really been a "medievil fair" or renacters type group of survivors. It would make for some cool scense too to see actual HTH techniques like sheild walls, phalanxes, and so on used on the walkers. Think about it, 300 spartans held back 10's of thousands of armed, thinking people just with good ground, training and basic HTH weapons + armour. Im sure the same could be done X100 to zombies!

That would be really cool, sort of like the ceaser group from fallout 3

imagine that lunatic re-enactors trying to make a roman empire in the continental US!!!

 easysauce wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Attach long sharp blades to the wheels and the sides of the vehicle, and you'd have yourself a modern day scythed chariot.

LOL I already suggested that! think Ash's car from army of darkness....


Im suprised in the comics there hasnt really been a "medievil fair" or renacters type group of survivors. It would make for some cool scense too to see actual HTH techniques like sheild walls, phalanxes, and so on used on the walkers. Think about it, 300 spartans held back 10's of thousands of armed, thinking people just with good ground, training and basic HTH weapons + armour. Im sure the same could be done X100 to zombies!

Actually...it was 300 Spartan soldiers...and sveral thousand of their "Helots" slaves...and several thousand soldiers from other Greek cities.

Wikipedia say's 20,000 Greeks.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Attach long sharp blades to the wheels and the sides of the vehicle, and you'd have yourself a modern day scythed chariot.

LOL I already suggested that! think Ash's car from army of darkness....


Im suprised in the comics there hasnt really been a "medievil fair" or renacters type group of survivors. It would make for some cool scense too to see actual HTH techniques like sheild walls, phalanxes, and so on used on the walkers. Think about it, 300 spartans held back 10's of thousands of armed, thinking people just with good ground, training and basic HTH weapons + armour. Im sure the same could be done X100 to zombies!

Actually...it was 300 Spartan soldiers...and sveral thousand of their "Helots" slaves...and several thousand soldiers from other Greek cities.

Wikipedia say's 20,000 Greeks.

wiki is a horrible source, esp if you search something related to "300" as opposed to "The Battle of Thermopylae" wiki for that states:

A Greek force of approximately 7,000 men marched north to block the pass in the summer of 480 BC. The Persian army, alleged by the ancient sources to have numbered over one million but today considered to have been much smaller (various figures are given by scholars ranging between about 100,000 and 150,000)"
Leonidas, aware that his force was being outflanked, dismissed the bulk of the Greek army and remained to guard their retreat with 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians, 400 Thebans, and perhaps a few hundred others, most of whom were killed.



The reason 300 spartans were recorded as legends by various poets at the time, is that while they certainly were not alone, they did send the bulk of the other forces home before they made their last stand. the sheer effectiveness of them combined with an almost perfect choice of battle field was what allowed such a small force to hold out against one more then 10x in #.

Hence why its quite realistic to not be too bothered by zombies if you had a group of well trained and HTH equipped people you could realistically be getting 10+ to one odds against zombies and still come out on top.

I also don;t know why that angle hasn't been covered. There's an apocalypse series starting with "Dies the Fire" where everything technological on earth stops working. One of the nastiest bad guys is a freak who used to be a history professor and a SCA group member who starts his own kingdom, pilfering museums and bringing back medieval construction technology to brutalize a good chunk of Oregon.

Seeing a group like that fighting against zombies would be awesome, either in the show or comic format.

Hence why its quite realistic to not be too bothered by zombies if you had a group of well trained and HTH equipped people you could realistically be getting 10+ to one odds against zombies and still come out on top.

You get tired, might get sprayed by infected matter, someone might stumble, freak out, weapons get damaged and lost. Other fethers out there who see your plight as a way to make themselves safer....... Food poisoning and other illness, dehydration etc.

Of course in a perfect world without walkers.............

 Mr. Burning wrote:


Of course in a perfect world without walkers.............

??? why do you need a "perfect world" for the past 2000 years of hand to hand combat to work as it has already worked in the past?

people get tired, stumble, get sick, ect when they are acting like running and gunning COD style to kill Z's... not to mention how the heck suddenly everyone can score head shots on the run, with one hand (and sometimes without sights!) and never carrys spare mags but always has ammo.
All your points exist as issues any group could have regardless of how they fight Z's.



even in

plenty of defensive tactics/tools/locations/ect allowed people for thousands of years to fight of numerically superior forces of *armed trained people who use actual tactics* for extended periods of time. Fighting zombies is much easier then fighting people, despite zombies not having to sleep.

Just wanted to say that I'm glad they

looks like they might actually be turning beth into the new andrea... or just giving her the scars to be extra bad ass...

the episode has a bit of a slow pace to it though, felt like not too much really happened

Beth and now Carol....oh they are soooo screwed.
Carol is just going to go all Terminus on them I think

I didn't feel like it was slow. But as long as they keep it to only 2 episodes there I'm ok with it. I like seeing how the rando groups work.

And agreed, if they think Beth was trouble they have no idea of the fox they let in their hen house.

 easysauce wrote:
looks like they might actually be turning beth into the new andrea... or just giving her the scars to be extra bad ass...

the episode has a bit of a slow pace to it though, felt like not too much really happened

I think that's possibly a very good call as another TV remix item.

I thought it was a solid episode. Again, TWD is a story about the human characters and not an exercise in violence/zombie pr0n. And I have a strong suspicion about where things are going to go from here.

Carol going down would fit with the way the show has run. We'll know she's a goner for sure if she gives a big motivational speech

I'm hoping they all make it out and that her being there is part of the plan. Her cancer coming back would make for an excellent and less guilt ridden way for her to sacrifice herself.

Well, they just found an oncologist and...whoops.

I thinking that Noah (that is his name, right?) is with Daryl, not Beth.

And I don't think Carol is going to be checking out too soon either - but I could certainly be wrong!

Perhaps. Didn't Noah say that they had walls where he's from?

(comic spoiler ahead)


I thought that Daryl seemed emotional or something when he returned with the mystery person, but maybe it's just that he's come back without Beth OR Carolo.