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Should be an interesting next episode/s - the majority of the people are not evil or unreachable - like those at Terminus.

 whembly wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Now more than ever, I think that...

Spoiler:

Carol isn't coming back to the group. However, now I think that she won't necessarily die but may stay at the hospital to help.

Carol's pretty broken at this point -- and not just from the speeding car -- and she seems to need a place where she can rehab her psyche in a way she won't be able to do on the road with the group.

I can't speak for the comic-universe as I've never read it...

But, in this last episode, I think Carol is well on her way of having her psyche "healed".

She's the one who saved Noah, over Daryl's initial objection.

Nothing to do with the comics.

I'm just glad that the whole "Hospital Arc" is new, not from the comics, good so far and interesting!

As far as the Hospital Group not being that "Evil" when compared to the now terminated termites from Terminus?

Well, nothing probably beats the institutionalized cannibalism there, but slavery, including sex slaves? Sounds pretty evil.

I think they roam around searching for weak vulnerable people, knock them out, drag them to the hospital and force them into servitude. Running Carol over looked deliberate.

There's no way that officer who tried to assault Beth just "found her" unconscious in the road. He was the one who knocked her out and kidnapped her.

They're not just "rescuing" people and demanding service in payment. They're actively stalking and kidnapping slaves.

So yeah, definitely evil.

Exactly!

There may have been 'doubt' before the last episode, but now, with Carol's 'accident', well...

It'll be interesting to see exactly how it all goes down.

Are the writers are making a profoundly depressing point with the hospital crowd -- that any attempt at "civilization" in what's left of this world is bound to rot and descend into depravity?

Or does Dawn represent some kind of alternate reality Rick (with the guy who attacked Beth an alternate reality Shane) who's been unable to adapt and move on? It's interesting that they're both law enforcement officers, and the hospital setting and Beth's awakening obviously recalls Rick in the hospital. It'll be an interesting conversation if/when they meet.

The hospital gang has that great dichotomy between their pressed clothing/clean shaves/neat haircuts and their despicable actions. Meanwhile, Rick and company look like barbarians -- and act like barbarians in some ways too -- but have avoided becoming depraved.

The message here might be about the importance of recognizing that the old civilization is gone for good, AND keeping the hope that it's still possible to forge a new one that isn't twisted and rotten. Which, well, you know...

I got the impression that most of them weren't actually cops, but were simply assigned the role of "police officer;' Am I wrong there?

If there was anything suggesting that they weren't cops, I sure missed it. And everything I've read has said Dawn is a cop, at least.

Oh, forgot to mention. Who else noticed the Morley brand cigs?

X-Files Easter Egg for the win.

Then there was the Lost Easter Egg in the van w/ the Jesus.

Easter Eggs?

Regarding the Cops, its not particularly hard to imagine certain Cops, and other figures of authority, reverting into predators following a societal collapse. Theres no higher power, no higher authority and system of checks and balances to restrain them and hold them accountable. If they rape somebody, who's going to arrest them? And as Police Officers, or Soldiers, or Members of Congress (hint ) they still hold some lingering degree of authority in this new world, and can easily abuse it.


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 cincydooley wrote:
I got the impression that most of them weren't actually cops, but were simply assigned the role of "police officer;' Am I wrong there?

Probably, though its possible one or two of them actually were recruited and appointed by Dawn as pseudo Cops.

My impression was more that the guys (particularly the one who assaulted Beth) were simply more aware of the realities of the new world, that there is no more civilization, no-one's coming to rescue them and they're free to do as they please. Dawn on the other hand is clinging to the delusion that if they can only just hang out long enough, they will be rescued and civilization will be restored and thinks turning a blind eye and letting the worst of her Officers "blow off some steam" is a necessary but temporary evil.

The guy who assaults Beth flat out says that Dawn won't be around forever (and in Dawn's presence IIRC), implying that there'll be no restraining him once shes gone.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Easter Eggs?.

Yes, Easter eggs.

I agree that all of the cops were probably real cops before the apocalypse. It would make sense for them all to be together, especially at the hospital, when all the gak went down and now they are carrying out their original job (albeit, a little more on the evil side now).

I think the cops were cops before.

I like how the show takes time to show the little things now. Where they get water, where they get food, discuss the meaning of life, etc.

Am I the only one who felt not a whole lot happened last night?

That was the entirety of the episode.

Yeah, that was a snooze fest.

I'm with you regarding the in-hospital stuff. Not much happened there, although we did see it once again underlined that Dawn and her situation have some complexities.

I disagree with the DC crew scenes...those were mostly about Rosita, and the character deserved more screen time after Abraham and Eugene had their moments. Again, TWD is a character-driven drama. And we're going to lose old cast members eventually...the new ones need to be properly "introduced" to us.

And I think that the Atlanta scenes set up the "midseason finale" (a dumb term) pretty well. It didn't feel like filler to me. *shrug* And I'd rather that the whole thing isn't rushed.

Of course, having said that, if the next ep ends on a cliffhanger with the hospital crew, I'll be mildly irritated that it wasn't more "rushed."

I think shifting between four viewpoints is what really slowed it down(six if you split Rosita and the preacher from their groups). You really start limiting the screen time for a specific group, and there's not a whole lot they can accomplish in ten minutes.

Must admit I really enjoyed it - I think this the by far the best season yet.

The only disapointment for me was the

Recent episodes have really knocked it down in my estimation. Carol being stupid enough to just sprint out into the street (resulting in being hit by the car) and the cop's escape, too much

I liked it. It fleshed out the hospitallers to show that the situation is complex. They're not just "the bad guys".
I think the show has gone with the theory that breaking the group up into multiple pieces allows multiple storylines which keeps the flow going. It seems to be working but I hope they all get back together again soon.

Well Abraham and co. seem to be setting up camp and having a picnic. Maybe they're just gonna wait for Rick to Catch up.

Well they're gonna be waiting a long time. They literally went the other direction I believe.

I like the conflict rick had when he had his gun aimed at the cop. you could tell he wanted to execute him there but lucklily crossbow-man talked him down

I think what they have been doing with Rick is great. Basically he's willing to do anything to keep his people safe and he's inclined to take very swift action leaning toward ending threats permanently but he's using the rest of his group (at least the important, long term people) as his moral compass.

Overall I liked the episode. No matter how dumb the final bit was with Sasha......Not gonna lie. Looking forward to seeing, hopefully, some of the hanger-on characters dying in the next episode (i.e. sasha, tyrese, preacher, the chick that was with the govenor)

What's up with the Bloodthirst?

I hope that none of the characters die.

Sure, some will, but to actively root for members of the group to die?

Weird!

 mitch_rifle wrote:
I like the conflict rick had when he had his gun aimed at the cop. you could tell he wanted to execute him there but lucklily crossbow-man talked him down

Which ended up being a terrible decision!

I like stone cold rick. He's much better than wishy washy emo Rick.

I didn't see it as wishy washy in this case. He's stone cold when he doesn't have the upper hand and needs to be. But he's not a soulless killer. And that guy was the one actually behaving himself. Unless all non-white people look alike to you

@Alpharius

Some characters just annoy me. They got rid of most of the ones that did since the beginning of the show (Lori, Andrea, Dale, T-Dog). It's not weird to me to understand that some people on the show are going to die (they kinda have to) and to look forward to it being an ancillary character I dislike.

I hope that when the Zombie Apocalypse hits your group never makes it out to the East Coast!

You annoy me. You're bait

But now I know to just shoot you straight away!

Of course, I don't know what you look like...

I actually really enjoyed this episode more than the last few. - Well, I liked the Eugene one too.

I'm also a bit disappointed about the last couple of minutes too. - I was just thinking, "don't be a jerk, don't be a jerk...."

I'm curious about what's going on with Carol now. I expected heroic deathness but that'd seem to be rather redundant considering how badly injured she actually seems.