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Hulksmash has always been part of DakkaDakka's roaming deathsquad which kills first and maybe asks questions later.

Evidently if you are not part of the main characters of the show, you are a bad guy. Its actually getting a bit boring, unfortunately. I wanted for the cop to be a good guy, but I knew exactly what was going to happen. Frankly I'm surprised she didn't go out the window!

I had called out the window to my wife. My guess is he didn't actually want to kill her. That said yeah, I was hoping he wasn't a douche but knew where it was going the minute he said he could show her the guy.....

Yeah, that part literally had to be the most transparent thing I've seen on the show yet. But maybe because I am gun-shy and now expect everyone to be a bad guy that they meet, because evidently everyone in the world but them has gone insane. Or maybe they are insane because they still trust everyone they meet, after all they have been through.

That was just one of the cops. I get a sense the other two cops want out of the hospital situation as well. The cop that did the face smashing (Bob2) was disagreeing with the other cops about staging a coup. And yes, he didn't kill her even though I think it would have been more interesting if he did.

Also, who's to say everyone in the group is good. For some reason Daryl had to talk Rick out of killing that other cop. Rick has quite the bloodlust lately.

The Governor was a Sociopath.
The Termites were Cannibals.
The Hospital Police are Slavers.

Rick isn't going to play nice, when the lives of his people are on the line.

It is cool seeing Daryl and Tyrese having grown from the team hot head status to playing Jiminy Cricket for Rick.

They've met many people who where not evil they just usually end up joining together into a new group. Tyreese & co for example and now Team Abraham. Bob, Terra etc.

Kind of a slow episode for the last episode before the break, but it ended with a bang

I think Rick just wanted to shoot somebody. That whole beginning scene could have been avoided if Rick would have just jumped out and grabbed him.

Also I'm upset about the end. That was one of the characters I didn't want to have offed. Besides Carl and Judith there are no children left.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I think Rick just wanted to shoot somebody. That whole beginning scene could have been avoided if Rick would have just jumped out and grabbed him.

Also I'm upset about the end. That was one of the characters I didn't want to have offed. Besides Carl and Judith there are no children left.

The dude just knocked out one of his people (Rick probably didn't know if she was even awake yet) and escaped after Rick had actually treated them extremely humanely. Rick is on a strict 1-strike policy (stole that from Keys on the Talking Dead). Why injure himself in a scuffle by jumping out and grabbing him and putting himself in danger. The guy didn't stop and had hurt one of his people. That's a guilty sentence and there is only one punishment for a guilty sentence in the zombie apocalypse.

As for the end yeah, I was hoping that character would be around for a bit. But like they said on the talking dead. "Don't be a moral compass or a shining light or your next"

That really sucked.

I mean, we all talked about that character being a possibility. But it still sucked.

Edit: Kirkman made a pretty big character reveal on Talking Dead. Definitely nailed down where they'll be next season. And it debunked one theory here about Morgan.

So what *IS* up with Morgan and those tree symbols?

 gorgon wrote:
That really sucked.

I mean, we all talked about that character being a possibility. But it still sucked.

Edit: Kirkman made a pretty big character reveal on Talking Dead. Definitely nailed down where they'll be next season. And it debunked one theory here about Morgan.

So what *IS* up with Morgan and those tree symbols?

Do you mind sharing that reveal in spoiler tags? I don't have cable, so I download the episodes, but don't also get Talking Dead.

Thanks!

FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH WHY BETH WHY FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH WHY FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH FETH WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY NOT NOAH???

Because Noah has no impact on the fans or the group as a loss and might be important for getting them moving north.

 cincydooley wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
That really sucked.

I mean, we all talked about that character being a possibility. But it still sucked.

Edit: Kirkman made a pretty big character reveal on Talking Dead. Definitely nailed down where they'll be next season. And it debunked one theory here about Morgan.

So what *IS* up with Morgan and those tree symbols?

Do you mind sharing that reveal in spoiler tags? I don't have cable, so I download the episodes, but don't also get Talking Dead.

Thanks!

Sure, comic spoiler ahead...




And yeah, "Noah" may be needed to shepherd the survivors of a natural disaster to safety. Although I never pictured the Ark as a fire engine...

I really need to go back and reread my trades.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Spoiler:

As for the gay character- what about the Alexandria scouts? The previews showed them trying to close a gate on a group of zombies.

I really need to go back and reread my trades.

Actually, you're right...

Sad pointless death of one of my fav characters :( not happy ...................

Its all well done I guess - although the whole nail yourself in side the church was a bit odd........................

Great episode. I was skeptical at first but this group was actually complex with complex characters. I didn't think they could top terminus but actually I was thinking about it and the Hospital just reminds me of a really dysfunctional workplace. It's more relatable and somehow worse. Don't get me wrong the Termites are more evil but I just can't relate to them. This is only way the show can continue. Each group can not be even more crazier and more evil than the next. They just need to be interesting and plausible and be worked into a good story.

I rewatched this episode. I think it's a really strong one, especially the final 10 minutes or so.

Something I didn't consciously notice on the first viewing is that the hospital hallway exchange scene was filmed with the camera at a steep angle. It really expressed (at least to me) Dawn's skewed, unstable mind...and maybe Rick's stable kind of insanity too. Neither of them could be considered to be sane by our everyday standards, right?

Dawn looks like she's completely cracking up *just* under the surface at the moment she asks for Noah. And then the very next shot is a close-up of Rick with his face in shadow, and you know Rick's *ON* switch has just been flipped.

I think the Terminus group was purer and simpler evil. Hell, the one thing that Rick, the Governor, Negan, etc would have agreed on is that the Hunters were sick feths who needed to be put down permanently.

But the hospital group was quite twisted and evil, because slavery is twisted and evil. And the writers were definitely exploring slavery themes. Note the casting of an African-American actor as Noah.

Haven't watched it a second time yet but I have to agree with a lot of the above. Additionally it was nice (though some will call it anti-climatic) to not have it turn into a blood bath like most of their other group encounters have.

I kept thinking over and over as it was happening that there is no way this is going to work. I'm absolutely shocked that no one else left with Rick's group other than Noah from the hospital.

They're not just "rescuing" people and demanding service in payment. They're actively stalking and kidnapping slaves.

I still don't quite understand why the dead character stabbed Dawn and basically committed suicide as there was now hope rather than earlier when there was a lot less?

 Mr Morden wrote:
I still don't quite understand why the dead character stabbed Dawn and basically committed suicide as there was now hope rather than earlier when there was a lot less?

I don't actually think Dawn meant to kill Beth. When it went all slow-mo I'm pretty sure she was mouthing that it was an accident (not that it mattered to Daryl or Rick).

All sorts of reasons for Beth to stab her. Dawn was a subversive evil, almost, in that she was unwilling to bloody her hands herself. And the whole slavery thing.

And per the Talking Dead the character said she got a bit cocky. If you watch she puts Dawn between her and the other cops, almost like a shield, and then, since her theory is that Dawn doesn't bloody her hands, stabs Dawn so her friend can stay with the group. She miscalculated and paid the price.

I actually think it's a good thing to show. Just didn't want Beth to be the one that went down.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I still don't quite understand why the dead character stabbed Dawn and basically committed suicide as there was now hope rather than earlier when there was a lot less?

I don't actually think Dawn meant to kill Beth. When it went all slow-mo I'm pretty sure she was mouthing that it was an accident (not that it mattered to Daryl or Rick).

All sorts of reasons for Beth to stab her. Dawn was a subversive evil, almost, in that she was unwilling to bloody her hands herself. And the whole slavery thing.

No I agree that Dawn's shooting was instinctive and she was obviously horrified by the act and its consequences.

But why did Beth stab her then and not earlier, or just get one of her gun toting friends to do it..............as she was potentially about to plunge them all into a gun fight - yeah I get that people do odd things - especially under tension but just seemed an odd (and depressing) end - but maybe that was the point - she died for nothing?

 Hulksmash wrote:
And per the Talking Dead the character said she got a bit cocky. If you watch she puts Dawn between her and the other cops, almost like a shield, and then, since her theory is that Dawn doesn't bloody her hands, stabs Dawn so her friend can stay with the group. She miscalculated and paid the price.

I actually think it's a good thing to show. Just didn't want Beth to be the one that went down.

I got the impression that none of the other cops really wanted to back Dawn if they didn't have to, anyways. Makes me wonder how it could have gone down differently had ole dude not rammed Sasha's head into the window.

I believe this whole season has been about bad decisions and their consequences.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
And per the Talking Dead the character said she got a bit cocky. If you watch she puts Dawn between her and the other cops, almost like a shield, and then, since her theory is that Dawn doesn't bloody her hands, stabs Dawn so her friend can stay with the group. She miscalculated and paid the price.

I actually think it's a good thing to show. Just didn't want Beth to be the one that went down.

I got the impression that none of the other cops really wanted to back Dawn if they didn't have to, anyways. Makes me wonder how it could have gone down differently had ole dude not rammed Sasha's head into the window.

Well the female cop who survived was very quick to suggest offing Dawn when captured - I don't get the impression anything is better with Dawn dead - it was clear the system would still carry on when she was dead?

Of the remaining characters - Beth was always going to be one of those I would miss most - especially since Eugene survived for some reason............... :(

While I'm sure that Hulk's happy (), Beth's death did seem kind of forced and more along the lines of "Well, we've gots to kill someone!!!" that something that actually made sense or flowed with the story.

Still, should slake the bloodthirst for some, at least for a while I'd suppose.