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It'll be interesting to see how much they explore how that scene goes over with Jessie. Clearly he was an abuser POS. But she did love the guy at one time, and he's the father of their kid. You kinda think that she'd have preferred to see him locked up, exiled, or even executed privately as opposed to having his brains splattered all over the pavement right in front of her and a crowd of people.

You wouldn't think that she's going to rush into Rick's arms after that. Hopefully they take it very slowly. I think that'd be much truer to the characters. And you know...(comics spoilers ahead)

Did some re-reading last night

Nah, pretty sure that (comics spoilers)...

 Alpharius wrote:
Please, no need to spoiler TV SHOW information already!

I haven't watched TALKING DEAD yet, so I guess we now know that Rick executed Pete?

Unless it is all a swerve?

Morgan as Guiding Light is probably more dangerous for him than Glenn and Maggie's current Good Guy position...

Rick did "Half Left Face" away from Deanna and Reg putting him align to Pete. Wonder if Abraham ear is still ringing

 gorgon wrote:
Nah, pretty sure that (comics spoilers)...

Spoiler:

...the Wolves are the Scavengers re-branded. Derek uses that same language at the gates.

 Jihadin wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Please, no need to spoiler TV SHOW information already!

I haven't watched TALKING DEAD yet, so I guess we now know that Rick executed Pete?

Unless it is all a swerve?

Morgan as Guiding Light is probably more dangerous for him than Glenn and Maggie's current Good Guy position...

Rick did "Half Left Face" away from Deanna and Reg putting him align to Pete. Wonder if Abraham ear is still ringing

Did you use a phone to post that?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Please, no need to spoiler TV SHOW information already!

I haven't watched TALKING DEAD yet, so I guess we now know that Rick executed Pete?

Unless it is all a swerve?

Morgan as Guiding Light is probably more dangerous for him than Glenn and Maggie's current Good Guy position...

Rick did "Half Left Face" away from Deanna and Reg putting him align to Pete. Wonder if Abraham ear is still ringing

Did you use a phone to post that?

Facing movements
He was facing Deanne and Reg when she (Deanna) said "Do it." Rick made a slight turn to the left and opted out Pete.

No, Jihadin always posts like that. Also, I thought it was obvious it was Pete.

I don't think it was immediately obvious, but hey, whatever!

Makes more sense that way, and lines up with...other sources too, more or less.

Should be interesting when the Wolves come a'callin' in the Fall!

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yeah, Talking Dead In Memorium'd Pete so he's out.

I wonder if TWD execs even realize they ruined a good cliff hanger...

 Byte wrote:
I wonder if TWD execs even realize they ruined a good cliff hanger...

I love that TWD has gotten us so desensitized to depicting horrific violence, that when they revert back to showing us violence in the traditional TV way (cutting away to the reaction of the person inflicting the violence), it suddenly was a cliff-hanger in some peoples' eyes.

To me it seemed like Deanna's command to Rick, Rick's shooting, Morgan's reaction to seeing Rick shoot and Rick's reaction to seeing Morgan's reaction pretty much laid the subject to rest...but yeah, we're kind of used to seeing the guy's head explode from the gunshot at this point, so I see how it could seem a little nebulous to some.

Ya I never even considered it wasn't the wife beater until logging in here. He clearly turns and shoots. Anyway, whole lot of stuff happened in this episode but still wasn't as shocking as the double death episode a few back. Pretty mad at Glenn right now for not killing that guy. Also very worried for Glenn, if having a heart of gold is a death sentence in this show his number is coming up very soon with calls like that.


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Also: Morgan appears to have become a Shaolin Monk off screen...

Jeez. As a comic reader, I can confirm it was definitely Pete that Rick killed. Or maybe it was Abraham?

Moving on.

 yakface wrote:

 Byte wrote:
I wonder if TWD execs even realize they ruined a good cliff hanger...

I love that TWD has gotten us so desensitized to depicting horrific violence, that when they revert back to showing us violence in the traditional TV way (cutting away to the reaction of the person inflicting the violence), it suddenly was a cliff-hanger in some peoples' eyes.

You know, that was kinda uncalled for and demeaning. Way to keep dialog open. Thanks.

HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION....ANYTHING?!?

I'm still pretty amazed at what TWD *does* show in terms of gross out violence.

And Morgan will probably have to realize that:

1) He's got no idea what he just walked in to
2) People have got different ways than his

He's clearly already figured out #2.

During the Talking Dead they clarified a point that I had taken completely differently though!

When Morgan stashed the two Wolves in the car, I thought it was to 'lock them in' by attracting Zombies.

But Lennie James stated that it was Morgan making sure there were no Zombies around - and if there were, Morgan would have taken care of them before moving on.

Morgan is certainly in a strange place these days...and I still think he's more in danger than Glenn or Maggie because of his New Attitude.

Glenn just can't bring himself to kill someone that he's rendered defenseless.

He probably wanted to bring him back to show that Nicholas was lying about the whole Solar Warehouse Debacle too...as well as find out who he is sneaking out to meet with.

Hmmmm... didnt consider he was meeting someone. I thought he was just setting up a Glen trap.

 Byte wrote:
Hmmmm... didnt consider he was meeting someone. I thought he was just setting up a Glen trap.

I'd bet he was meeting "The Exiled Three" to give them supplies, and weapons, and not the Wolves.

The exiles are definitely a plot thread that's still hanging out there.

I was thinking the exiles are the Wolves. They said they drove them far and took thier guns. Now they are sending Wombies to harass the compound.

Rick said you cant just let people go.... they are a danger.

I suppose they could be one and the same!

I didn't think so, but now you've got me thinking about it...

I don't think they are the same. I think that was why they showed the "Wolf" looking at the photos in Aaron's pack. I think they genuinely didn't know about Alexandria till then.

That said I felt like Nicholas was setting a trap. He intentionally goes over the wall where Glenn can see him and then is waiting in the brush for him and shoots him. And it's not like Nicholas is Darryl or Aaron in the woods.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I don't think they are the same. I think that was why they showed the "Wolf" looking at the photos in Aaron's pack. I think they genuinely didn't know about Alexandria till then.

That said I felt like Nicholas was setting a trap. He intentionally goes over the wall where Glenn can see him and then is waiting in the brush for him and shoots him. And it's not like Nicholas is Darryl or Aaron in the woods.

VERY good points!

I'm going back to my original assumption that Nick is meeting up with The Exiled Three.

Maybe we'll find out that one of them is a 2nd cousin of his or something...

It could really go either way.

If they are the exiles, it'd lend some verisimilitude regarding the Wolves' ability to find Alexandria from 50 or 100 miles away. Activity outside the walls, open fires, etc. would obviously make this easier, but imagine trying to find a single, small housing development on a rural road in that many square miles.

The trap also seemed awfully elaborate for what seemed to be a fairly deserted region with only occasional survivors around. Unless the Wolves knew of population centers nearby. Which, now that I think about, also doesn't have to mean Alexandria.

Re: Finding it.

 pretre wrote:
Re: Finding it.

Spoiler:

In the comics, they follow the sound of the scout's bikes to the general area and then the sound of Pete getting executed (single gunshot) leads them to Alex.

Again, some added verisimilitude would help, because I don't think either of those things are easy at all.

They've been pretty good about explaining how people find each other so far in this. I'm willing to trust Gimpel

Show has been spectacular since he took over. And even before he did he directed my favorite episode to date "Clear".

 Alpharius wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I don't think they are the same. I think that was why they showed the "Wolf" looking at the photos in Aaron's pack. I think they genuinely didn't know about Alexandria till then.

That said I felt like Nicholas was setting a trap. He intentionally goes over the wall where Glenn can see him and then is waiting in the brush for him and shoots him. And it's not like Nicholas is Darryl or Aaron in the woods.

VERY good points!

I'm going back to my original assumption that Nick is meeting up with The Exiled Three.

Maybe we'll find out that one of them is a 2nd cousin of his or something...

Well the writers do enjoy foreshadowing.

 Alpharius wrote:


During the Talking Dead they clarified a point that I had taken completely differently though!

When Morgan stashed the two Wolves in the car, I thought it was to 'lock them in' by attracting Zombies.

But Lennie James stated that it was Morgan making sure there were no Zombies around - and if there were, Morgan would have taken care of them before moving on.

Morgan is certainly in a strange place these days...and I still think he's more in danger than Glenn or Maggie because of his New Attitude.

Glenn just can't bring himself to kill someone that he's rendered defenseless.

He probably wanted to bring him back to show that Nicholas was lying about the whole Solar Warehouse Debacle too...as well as find out who he is sneaking out to meet with.

Yes, I was also confused about that car honk thing as well until the Talking Dead.
I don't think Morgan is in danger as much as he is a danger. I think there's pretty much a 100% chance his new attitude will get someone killed (all it takes is for one of the "wolves" to kill someone and he's at fault). Pacifism is dangerous in the Zombie Apocalypse. Like what the heck is Glenn's plan here? Is he just going to become friends with that guy who tried to kill him? How can he live with that guy?


Anyway, a while ago I stated that Carol now seems to be Rick's right hand man but if anything it's going the other way now. Carol seems to be a bit of a puppet master/manipulator for Rick now.

I thought that Glenn didn't kill the guy because a) he saw Nicholas as a weak coward moreso than a real menace to the group or Alexandria, and b) he believes in civilization. Civilized human beings figure out methods of dealing with people beyond just executing them. If Alexandria is to become the start of something, people are going to have act in more civilized ways than "cross me and I kill you."

Personally, I took the decisions of Glenn, Morgan, and Sasha in the episode to be intentional stark contrasts to Rick's. The TV show -- moreso than the comic -- seems to focus on the constant evolution of Rick's soul. Where he once hesitated too much, now he perhaps doesn't hesitate enough. IMO, as much as Alexandria needs Rick, Rick is also in a dark place. Carol's place. Note how Daryl -- a nascent moral compass of sorts -- questioned their actions and isn't in the cabal anymore.

I'll guess that Jedi Master Morgan will be the one to lead Rick back to a more balanced place. I previously thought that it could be Daryl, Michonne, or even Carl, but it's probably more realistic that they won't be. They're not Rick's peers...they've all taken his orders for too long. It has to be someone else...and someone from the beginning is fitting and makes more sense.

One could consider this all a long-range setup for the moment at which (big comic spoiler ahead)...

 gorgon wrote:
I thought that Glenn didn't kill the guy because a) he saw Nicholas as a weak coward moreso than a real menace to the group or Alexandria, and b) he believes in civilization. Civilized human beings figure out methods of dealing with people beyond just executing them. If Alexandria is to become the start of something, people are going to have act in more civilized ways than "cross me and I kill you."

Personally, I took the decisions of Glenn, Morgan, and Sasha in the episode to be intentional stark contrasts to Rick's. The TV show -- moreso than the comic -- seems to focus on the constant evolution of Rick's soul. Where he once hesitated too much, now he perhaps doesn't hesitate enough. IMO, as much as Alexandria needs Rick, Rick is also in a dark place. Carol's place. Note how Daryl -- a nascent moral compass of sorts -- questioned their actions and isn't in the cabal anymore.

I'll guess that Jedi Master Morgan will be the one to lead Rick back to a more balanced place. I previously thought that it could be Daryl, Michonne, or even Carl, but it's probably more realistic that they won't be. They're not Rick's peers...they've all taken his orders for too long. It has to be someone else...and someone from the beginning is fitting and makes more sense.

One could consider this all a long-range setup for the moment at which (big comic spoiler ahead)...

Spoiler:

Rick decides to lock up Negan instead of killing him.

I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.