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Did Daryl actually object to Rick's actions already?

In the TALKING DEAD, Norman noted that he thought that Daryl just thought that they were just enacting their 'Master Plan' at that point.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.

What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.

Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.

Under the impression Morgan didn't kill them for all life is precious mantra.
Secured the two wolves in the vehicle
Beep the horn to draw walkers
Left them
I don't think he took any of there gear though......so they have a chance at life themselves.......

 Jihadin wrote:
Under the impression Morgan didn't kill them for all life is precious mantra.
Secured the two wolves in the vehicle
Beep the horn to draw walkers
Left them
I don't think he took any of there gear though......so they have a chance at life themselves.......

Yes, we already know that's exactly what happened!

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.

What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.

Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.

I guess I missed his ineffectual gate closing technique. Why was the gate wide open then? Did the zombies open it wider? I guess we'll find out in a year...

It wasn't wide open. It was probably 3-4 across open since it just bounced instead of locking. Narrow enough that a zombie scraped against the lock bar since that's how Rick KNEW zombies were in Alexandria.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.

What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.

Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.

I guess I missed his ineffectual gate closing technique. Why was the gate wide open then? Did the zombies open it wider? I guess we'll find out in a year...

He slammed the gate. It bounced back open. He didn't bother to check it was closed, or secure it with the bolt. It ain't complicated...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.

What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.

Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.

I guess I missed his ineffectual gate closing technique. Why was the gate wide open then? Did the zombies open it wider? I guess we'll find out in a year...

He slammed the gate. It bounced back open. He didn't bother to check it was closed, or secure it with the bolt. It ain't complicated...

Apparently it's too complicated for Gabriel.

This is bs! Frazzled needs Ricktatorship! For the Peoples!


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 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.

What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.

Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.

I guess I missed his ineffectual gate closing technique. Why was the gate wide open then? Did the zombies open it wider? I guess we'll find out in a year...

He slammed the gate. It bounced back open. He didn't bother to check it was closed, or secure it with the bolt. It ain't complicated...

Apparently it's too complicated for Gabriel.

Gabe needs to suck an open chest wound!

Ya, definitely wouldn't have been upset if Sasha had shot him.

 Byte wrote:
You know, that was kinda uncalled for and demeaning. Way to keep dialog open. Thanks.

There was absolutely no slight intended on your part. You were not the only person to think that whether or not Rick had killed Pete was a cliffhanger at the end of the episode. I was actually criticizing TWD, for getting us all as viewers comfortable with seeing horrific acts of violence front and center onscreen (something that never used to be allowed, even on non-premium cable), that when the presented Pete's death in the more 'traditional' fashion (of showing only Rick's reaction to it), it seemed like a potential cliffhanger to a portion of the audience.

So I totally 'get' why anyone would think it was a cliffhanger. I personally didn't read it that way when I was watching it, but yeah I get it. However, I believe it is TWD's fault because of how they've gotten us all (myself included) used to those 'shots' of people's heads/bodies getting smashed in/ripped apart, that's its almost strange now when they *don't* show it.

 Alpharius wrote:
Did Daryl actually object to Rick's actions already?

In the TALKING DEAD, Norman noted that he thought that Daryl just thought that they were just enacting their 'Master Plan' at that point.

I guess that could be the case. I took Daryl's refusal to take the gun to be more than just about the gun.

 yakface wrote:

 Byte wrote:
You know, that was kinda uncalled for and demeaning. Way to keep dialog open. Thanks.

There was absolutely no slight intended on your part. You were not the only person to think that whether or not Rick had killed Pete was a cliffhanger at the end of the episode. I was actually criticizing TWD, for getting us all as viewers comfortable with seeing horrific acts of violence front and center onscreen (something that never used to be allowed, even on non-premium cable), that when the presented Pete's death in the more 'traditional' fashion (of showing only Rick's reaction to it), it seemed like a potential cliffhanger to a portion of the audience.

So I totally 'get' why anyone would think it was a cliffhanger. I personally didn't read it that way when I was watching it, but yeah I get it. However, I believe it is TWD's fault because of how they've gotten us all (myself included) used to those 'shots' of people's heads/bodies getting smashed in/ripped apart, that's its almost strange now when they *don't* show it.

Thanks for the clarification and I agree with your read. It is strange when they don't show and creates suspect.

 gorgon wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Did Daryl actually object to Rick's actions already?

In the TALKING DEAD, Norman noted that he thought that Daryl just thought that they were just enacting their 'Master Plan' at that point.

I guess that could be the case. I took Daryl's refusal to take the gun to be more than just about the gun.

Well, according to Norman Reedus on The Talking Dead (which I realize that not everyone watches), that's his take on what Daryl's thinking.

Ok so we watched the epsiodes last night .

Carole is just a thousand shades of awesome - every bit she was in was a hightlight
I see the Daryl and A romance is building nicely, arnet they a cute couple....
Soooo Morgan the Shaolin Monk - that was wierd.

We still just don't believe that the Alexandria comunity has survived this long by being this stupid - sorry but I can't believe it based on how they operate and the litany of mistakes

Why Glenn kept that guy alive?

Wow thats an eloborate trap by the Wolves guys - cool but super eloborate.

Nice bit at the start with Morgan and the wolves guys - but shows the issues with not killing bad guys as theose two directly responsible for the death of the guy in the red coat - If Morgan killed them - he mights still be alive.

Not to mention that these same two Wolves are now ''in the know' about the Alexandria community and will undoubtedly attack there soon (Season 6!) and surely more will die...

 Alpharius wrote:
Not to mention that these same two Wolves are now ''in the know' about the Alexandria community and will undoubtedly attack there soon (Season 6!) and surely more will die...

indeed

Rick and co keep saying they are doomed if they don't change their ways but Ironic thing is that as soon as Ricks Crew arrived Alexandrians were doomed - how many have died since they arrived - 5 or 6 plus of course Noah the Jinx?

Aiden, Reg and Pete - so, 3 Alexandrians?

Did they lose someone when Abraham was on the salvage mission to the half built mall?

Rick's crew lost Noah, Tara was almost killed as was Glenn.

I think the Alexandrians were 'that lucky' in that they were inhabiting what was largely an Evacuated Area and were able to get established in a self-sustaining development?

But it does start to beggar belief in just how lucky they've been to date...

 Alpharius wrote:
Aiden, Reg and Pete - so, 3 Alexandrians?

Did they lose someone when Abraham was on the salvage mission to the half built mall?

Rick's crew lost Noah, Tara was almost killed as was Glenn.

I think the Alexandrians were 'that lucky' in that they were inhabiting what was largely an Evacuated Area and were able to get established in a self-sustaining development?

But it does start to beggar belief in just how lucky they've been to date...

I think one on the salvage - but I thought two at the Noah's door death scene place?
The leaders husband
Pete

I think if they were portrayed as any way competant and careful their "luck" would make sense - but they just wonder about, leave gates open, apparently some travel "50 miles" from the town on scouting misisons but apparently never had had a problem - but conversely obviously have had a Screw the rest of the world ethos apart from Aeron and his boyfirend?.

They lose four a couple weeks before Rick's group showed up in a salvage f-up (found out to be because the other two dudes left them).

And no one died at the mall site. Abraham saved the person they were going to abandon which would have been undercut if anyone else died. Alexandria is now down 3 total people.

Aiden, Reg, and Pete. That community is stupid lucky.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Aiden, Reg and Pete - so, 3 Alexandrians?

Did they lose someone when Abraham was on the salvage mission to the half built mall?

Rick's crew lost Noah, Tara was almost killed as was Glenn.

I think the Alexandrians were 'that lucky' in that they were inhabiting what was largely an Evacuated Area and were able to get established in a self-sustaining development?

But it does start to beggar belief in just how lucky they've been to date...

I think one on the salvage - but I thought two at the Noah's door death scene place?
The leaders husband
Pete

I think if they were portrayed as any way competant and careful their "luck" would make sense - but they just wonder about, leave gates open, apparently some travel "50 miles" from the town on scouting misisons but apparently never had had a problem - but conversely obviously have had a Screw the rest of the world ethos apart from Aeron and his boyfirend?.

To be fair, it wasn't one of them that left the gate open. Their error was in failing to post anyone at the gate. Although it had seemed that someone was at the gate every other time we had a scene there.

There's also the question of Alexandrian good luck vs. Grimesian bad luck. Of course you prepare and act differently when every sanctuary you find fails, every car you take breaks down, every person you meet is a complete monster, every plan you make turns to ash, and every loved one you have seems to die horribly. I'm exaggerating but not by a lot.

The Alexandrians are good people and may prove to be capable once they're fully prepared for the [MOD EDIT - Language! - Alpharius] that follows Rick and company around.

Well, part of the gakstorm that follows Rick's group around is due to Plot, otherwise, yeah, a pretty boring show?

Mr. M has a good point though - the Alexandrians should be shown to be a bit more competent than they have been to date!

From the sounds of it though, the Alexandrians have suffered their fair share of bad incidents before Rick showed up.

- I get the sense that the incident they're talking about wasn't the first time that Deanna's kid screwed up majorly and got people killed.

I think Alexandria has had its fair share of incidents before Rick and Co turned up, but the keyphrase there is 'fair share.'

 Compel wrote:
- I get the sense that the incident they're talking about wasn't the first time that Deanna's kid screwed up majorly and got people killed.

Yeah, they said 4 died.

It's like I was saying before there seem to be a lot of people like the Alexandrians. The Gubernatorial faction was similar. Seems like the world isn't that bad or the Grimes-Crew is just the unluckiest survivors in the world.

Again, Show Plot dictates as much, otherwise, a really, really boring show is the result.

The Governor was out of his mind - Woodbury was in a really good place, and with a sane, competent leader, well, they could have gone on indefinitely.

Mayeb!

Thats what I don't get about the series. It seems the wack jobs are the survivors.

I'd proffer there would be a lot more of Group Grimes types then wack jobs.

Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.

 Jihadin wrote:
Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.

Thats because they are following Team RIck

I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...