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 Frazzled wrote:
Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.

Before we got anywhere near evolved zombie killing animals or insects we'd just see a dramatic rise in the number of carrion animals and insects...the fact that there would suddenly be millions of corpses walking around (combined with way less humans around looking to stop any kind of population growth) would just mean the numbers of those animals would skyrocket as long as the new food source (zombies) remained.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:
...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).

Rabid, as in a dog infected with the rabies virus, is not the same as a feral dog.

Oh OT....

A feral dog can be rabid of course, but a domesticated dog can be rabid too. I was curious as to why only rabid dogs would attack walkers, when feral or stray dogs could make a meal out of one just as well.

Because rabid dogs lose their self preservation instincts, making them more aggressive and likely to attack?

Sure, but a year or two into a Zombie apocalypse would strays and ferals avoid feeding on walkers, and only rabids attack? I would think they'd just as happily munch a walker if they were a bit hungry.

Will dogs eat rotting carrion?

Dogs eat their own feces- they eat dead things too.

I've occasionally caught my dog eating rotting fish at the lake.

Heh. My (late) cavalier king Charles spaniel was quite partial to sheep gak.

 yakface wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I remember a horse that did not do well last season.

Yeah, but its pretty much BS. The only way an animal is going to get eaten by a walker is if it is domesticated and somehow thinks that walkers are still people who won't hurt them, if it gets injured and can't escape or somehow wanders into a dead-end. Otherwise, prey animals are going to look at walkers like any other predator that is trying to come and eat them and just run away from them, and predator animals are going to look at walkers like either lunch or a threat that they need to kill, and in either case the animals will generally be far more well equipped to finish off the walkers than the walkers are well equipped to kill the animal.

Believe (IIRC) the horse was caught in the corner of a fence pasture. Which I agree was BS because you didn't see the fence till the over view of the horse which nailed in the corner of a fence line.
Did not see Darryl and the other guy cross a fence line

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Horse getting killed in the corner

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Dogs eat their own feces- they eat dead things too.

I've occasionally caught my dog eating rotting fish at the lake.

Rodney the Shanker once drove a vulture off a roadkill so he could eat it. I just stood there, shocked.


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 yakface wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.

Before we got anywhere near evolved zombie killing animals or insects we'd just see a dramatic rise in the number of carrion animals and insects...the fact that there would suddenly be millions of corpses walking around (combined with way less humans around looking to stop any kind of population growth) would just mean the numbers of those animals would skyrocket as long as the new food source (zombies) remained.

I will not listen to your evilz attempts to destroy my dream of zombie eating giant preying mantises!Someone get zombie HG Wells to write this up and pronto!

 Frazzled wrote:
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Wolves, coyotes, bears, vultures, insects (the real eaters). Insects will be literally all over these guys. Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.

Let me to reiterate the part you ignored:

 Breotan wrote:
...most animals won't eat carrion that is actively trying to eat them. Also, zombies don't sleep so they pretty much hunt 24 hours a day. That means other animals are constantly having to evade, especially in high-population areas.

As for insects, I imagine there's some unstated reason that bugs aren't feasting on these guys. Zombie flesh may be poisonous or something, who knows? Season 5 brought up but never answered the issue of eating flesh of someone who's been bitten.

I doubt there's a lot of cattle or sheep left any more. That which hasn't been eaten by wolves or whatever have certainly been done in by walkers. Pigs, maybe. Pigs get mean when hungry.

That wouldn't worry wolves, bears, and coyote packs. They will go after people, much less zombies. These are apex or pack predators. Zombies are just a meal.

 Breotan wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
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Wolves, coyotes, bears, vultures, insects (the real eaters). Insects will be literally all over these guys. Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.

Let me to reiterate the part you ignored:

 Breotan wrote:
...most animals won't eat carrion that is actively trying to eat them. Also, zombies don't sleep so they pretty much hunt 24 hours a day. That means other animals are constantly having to evade, especially in high-population areas.

As for insects, I imagine there's some unstated reason that bugs aren't feasting on these guys. Zombie flesh may be poisonous or something, who knows? Season 5 brought up but never answered the issue of eating flesh of someone who's been bitten.

I doubt there's a lot of cattle or sheep left any more. That which hasn't been eaten by wolves or whatever have certainly been done in by walkers. Pigs, maybe. Pigs get mean when hungry.

You're forgetting that after a while zombies just lay down- it would be easy peasy for a coyote to sneak up and take a bite or two before it wakes up. And these aren't fast zombies- TWD zombies are shamblers. They aren't chasing down a dog that doesn't want to be caught, not to mention who can easily bed down in tall grass and just not be found. Zombies are perfect prey for any kind of carnivore- slow, easily fooled, and prone to wandering off alone. The whole "bites even when gutted" schtick would be a slight problem, but still they can be taken down by the nipping tactics most canines use- bite and run away, bite and run away. Bears/Lions would have no fear from a zombie with the big shaggy fur, and bite strength to just crush/tear the skull/neck anyway- the neck being a prime target of many predators to begin with.

Believe everyone be avoiding fish for a very long time

Phew! Intense episode.

Seriously, that was a great episode.

Carol is total badass.

Excellent episode. Love seeing it be the outsiders + Aaron who are doing the business and protecting the town. Also Carol is beyond awesome.

That scene at the end where Carol and Morgan pass on the body strewn street is amazing.

There was so much good in this episode its crazy. Also props to Carl for shooting a dude and then making sure the casserole doesn't burn!

I was a bit concerned that for some unknown reason that Enid was going to steal off with Lil' Ass-Kicker.

And did Enid reveal something about...sneaking into town before Carl interrupted her?

Glad to see:

1) The Wolves story line kinda sorta resolved.
2) The 'mystery' of JSS revealed as well!

 Hulksmash wrote:
Excellent episode. Love seeing it be the outsiders + Aaron who are doing the business and protecting the town. Also Carol is beyond awesome.

That scene at the end where Carol and Morgan pass on the body strewn street is amazing.

There was so much good in this episode its crazy. Also props to Carl for shooting a dude and then making sure the casserole doesn't burn!

Again suggesting that the kids have in some ways adjusted to the craziness of this world better than the adults.

The writers did a lot with Carol, especially regarding her disguise. A wolf in sheep's clothing, for starters?

And perhaps it's just me, but I feel like the writers were suggesting that Carol has more in common with the Wolves and their apparent philosophy than with Rick's crew at this point. The scene with Carol trying to wipe the "W" off her head seemed heavy with symbolism along these lines.

And note the Carol the wolf contrasts nicely with Morgan the shepherd and his staff.

Haven't watched Talking Dead yet, so it'll be interesting to see what they have to say about Carol beyond the action stuff. But yeah, another good episode, and next week similarly looks crazy.

Anyone else think the wolf with the gun is going to be the one to take Carl's eye?

 Alpharius wrote:
I was a bit concerned that for some unknown reason that Enid was going to steal off with Lil' Ass-Kicker.

And did Enid reveal something about...sneaking into town before Carl interrupted her?

Yeah, and the pronoun she used was "WE." Right now it looks like she's either a(n ex-)Wolf or a member of another group.

It's interesting to me that (comic spoilers ahead)

I don't think the Wolves are done yet Alpharius. I think we're going to see them as the protagonists for the first segment of the season similar to the Terminus crew. They killed a lot of them but there seemed to be quite a few that got away and they made off with some of the people from town.

@Gorgon

I don't feel like Carol is more Wolf than Rick's crew at this point. I feel a bit like they were using Carol to show just how far Rick's group has gone. Her, Glenn, and Rick are the only adults that have been together from the beginning. Of the 3 only Glenn is still trying to actively save individuals. Carol & Rick seem to be larger picture people now.

That said Rick's crew are basically polite wolves. They mostly still want society to function. Rick if only for a place to raise Judith. So there is a large difference. I'd say Rick's crew are more similar to early sheep dogs. They guard the flock in exchange for food and it flourishes but they aren't much different from their hunting kin.

Next episode looks awesome too. Basically a 3.5 hour season opener

Great episode, just damn.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Great episode, just damn.

Indeed... ties the "horn" from the last episode really well.

Just goes to show, Murphy's Law is a damned bitch.

Excellent Episode
Clarity of groups glaring.
Alexandarians = To damn innocent and not harden
Rick's Wrecking Crew = Motivated, dedicated, and outright Mowanythingdowntosurvivecated.
Wolves = Whack jobs who embrace a ideology some whack job started

Though the Wolf did state in front of Morgan that some did not have a choice.

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Great episode, just damn.

Indeed... ties the "horn" from the last episode really well.

Just goes to show, Murphy's Law is a damned bitch.

Oh dat Murphy....

I like that the wolves waited for the majority of the workers/gun toters to be out of Alexandria when they launched their attack. Showed some common sense at least.

@gorgon

I think the WE that Enid used was for people like her and carl who could get out whenever they wanted. I don't think she had time to become part of a band based on the time she was in the wild from the Talking Dead discussion.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I don't think the Wolves are done yet Alpharius. I think we're going to see them as the protagonists for the first segment of the season similar to the Terminus crew. They killed a lot of them but there seemed to be quite a few that got away and they made off with some of the people from town.

They're doing exactly what they did with Terminus:

-adapting what were in the comics very small groups (The Hunters and the Wolves' counterpart The Scavengers, both groups numbering only 5 people) and making them a bigger group and therefore a bigger threat for the season opening
-using a big violent confrontation to cull the numbers of the groups and cut them back down to the 5 or so members that featured in the comics.
-then a second and final confrontation that plays out more or less exactly like in the comics (for both groups, Hunters and Scavengers, there was only one confrontation, and the groups only lasted a handful of issues).

In the season trailer, Daryl appears to be captured by another hostile group out in the woods. Its possible that the Wolves will capture him on one of his scouting missions, or it may just be a friendly if distrustful group who think Alexandria is too good to be true (like Rick Grimes did).

Eventually though it'll play out like in the comics.



Episode 3 - Rick and co. run the gauntlet trying to return to Alexandria,

Episode 4 - Daryl is captured? The Wolves confront Rick at the gate. gak hits the fan,

They've already shown a willingness to diverge from the comics, so I'm not sure it will happen quite like that, but maybe close enough?

I'm still not convinced that Carl is getting:

Jessie needs to cut Carl's hair. It's ridiculous!

 Alpharius wrote:
They've already shown a willingness to diverge from the comics, so I'm not sure it will happen quite like that, but maybe close enough?

I'm still not convinced that Carl is getting:

Spoiler:

an eye shot out. Rick's still got two hands after all!

But he WILL




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 Hulksmash wrote:
Jessie needs to cut Carl's hair. It's ridiculous!

Its to cover up the ...

Regarding Carl:



Regarding Jessie:

I that thought that a leak had already shown


I'll look around for it now.


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Here-
http://www.twdenthusiasts.com/2015/08/30/major-spoilers-leaked-set-photos-reveal-comic-plot-to-come-in-season-6/

All this use of spoiler tags. It's like when I was a kid and the grown-ups would spell out words when talking about stuff like C-A-N-D-Y.

That explains the long hair.

As for Carol: She was pretty shook up after the end of the battle, sat on the steps looking at her dead friend. Maybe she'll end up like in the comics after all.

Though I was hoping she'd take up Andrea's role as Ricks next love interest
Rick x Carol. I ship them.