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Carol and Rick are just to damn similar. The earth would explode.

As for the shakes afterward consider that the last time we saw her do something so hardcore there was a massive loving reunion that might have covered her reactions. This time she's alone without any of "her" closest friends around.

Speaking of hardcore, minutes after killing a man, Carl goes to get the tea out the oven.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Speaking of hardcore, minutes after killing a man, Carl goes to get the tea out the oven.

Um.....not shocking. He's use to the violence.

So many times

ROCKET ATTACK!!! (Roll Over and go back to sleep)
MORTAR ATTACK!!! (Walk to the bunker with coffee in hand being I just made it just sexually right)
Suicide Bomber. (Look in the general direction of "Boom")
WE'RE TAKING FIRE!!!....."Where? Also make sure you drink water."
"Dude you can see the NATO Contingent Females sun bathing on top Tower 7.".........

So much for (X) surviving until (Y) showed up...

...Damn!

 Alpharius wrote:
So much for (X) surviving until (Y) showed up...

...Damn!

At first I was like, "WHAT!?" but now I'm like, "I dunno... think there is treachery afoot."

How so?

 Alpharius wrote:
How so?

Dude clearly fell on top of him when they hit the ground. They also showed the action from a strange angle, definitely trying not to show too much. Also, he wasn't on Talking Dead and Hardwick gave some lame excuse for him not being there.


Most importantly, think back to season 1 and the trick they used to move about in Atlanta.

Good point!

I think you might be on to something there - still hard to imagine how he'd survive that though!

 Alpharius wrote:
Good point!

I think you might be on to something there - still hard to imagine how he'd survive that though!

I agree, but this show makes no sense a lot of times.

I'd be okay being proven wrong next week during The Very Special Episode, but right now my gut (pun intended!) is telling me the producers are trying to hoodwink us.

Yeah that's what I felt scooty. Bit annoying if we're right, that they're still doing that by this point in the show (that's a season 1 sort of trick) but ah well.

Watched the episode last night and really enjoyed - much more than the first episode.

Good stuff
Carol - the best thing in the epsiode and in the show (which likely means she is getting killed off as pretty much all my favs did)
Good pacing and character interactions
Carol dealing with Morgan gak every time he made yet another stupid mistake - he is now my least fav character after the sulky teenage boy

However:
Just how stupid is Morgan!!! How many mnore people have to die as a drect result of his actions before he gets it.

You simply don't let unrepentant muderering psychos run off - picking up guns on the way
You don't spend half an hour tyning up a unrepentant muderering psycho whilst his mates are hacking up other people all around you just so you can feel a bit more moral than the people doing what needs to be done.

Just how many people did Alexandria have as quite a few got hacked to bits (Mainly whilst Morgan was poseing and pouting) - there seemed to be an awful lot to be victim of the night.

but a good episode.

You are about a week behind.

**Last nights truly was "How many red shirts can we off?" night. This season has come on like a hurricane. Every episode has been action packed.

On the fence on the one guy, my theory is the other dude was on top of him and he was trapped. The only problem with that is what happens when dead guy turns or what happens when they finish eating him and get to the guy underneath.

Oh and WTF did Michonne and crew just sit there and watch as their teammate got ate? He was right there, a quick sword to the head to put him out of his misery would have been the nice thing to do, but no, "Lets just stand here and watch, anyone bring popcorn?"**

 motyak wrote:
Yeah that's what I felt scooty. Bit annoying if we're right, that they're still doing that by this point in the show (that's a season 1 sort of trick) but ah well.

Yea, I highly doubt Glenn is gone. There was no actual Great Hero takedown. That was the other guy acting as Manwich on top of him.

*Wow, considering the crowd that went out to herd the walkers were some of the stronger ones, they sure got chewed up pretty quickly. If I were an Alexandrian I'd be rethinking that Rictatorship thing.

*Did Rick get bit or is he just bleeding?

*How many Wolves are there? If you count the Wolves toasted in this episode thats at least 17 Wolfie corpsickles. Carol wacked 8 (wow Assassin's Creed killing machine), Maggie got at least 1, Rosita and the other guy got at least 2, Morgan killed/captured at least 1 (end), Rick is second high score of the season at 5 (I love the 'empty the mag" move). Thats larger than any other org since the entire Governor outfit no? Thats a lot of casualties for an unsuccessful raid. Time for a new CEO there too.

Col. Dash wrote:
You are about a week behind.

**Last nights truly was "How many red shirts can we off?" night. This season has come on like a hurricane. Every episode has been action packed.

On the fence on the one guy, my theory is the other dude was on top of him and he was trapped. The only problem with that is what happens when dead guy turns or what happens when they finish eating him and get to the guy underneath.

Oh and WTF did Michonne and crew just sit there and watch as their teammate got ate? He was right there, a quick sword to the head to put him out of his misery would have been the nice thing to do, but no, "Lets just stand here and watch, anyone bring popcorn?"**

We get that one tonight Is Morgan still a total idiot?

 Frazzled wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Yeah that's what I felt scooty. Bit annoying if we're right, that they're still doing that by this point in the show (that's a season 1 sort of trick) but ah well.

Yea, I highly doubt Glenn is gone. There was no actual Great Hero takedown. That was the other guy acting as Manwich on top of him.

*Wow, considering the crowd that went out to herd the walkers were some of the stronger ones, they sure got chewed up pretty quickly. If I were an Alexandrian I'd be rethinking that Rictatorship thing.

*Did Rick get bit or is he just bleeding?

*How many Wolves are there? If you count the Wolves toasted in this episode thats at least 17 Wolfie corpsickles. Carol wacked 8 (wow Assassin's Creed killing machine), Maggie got at least 1, Rosita and the other guy got at least 2, Morgan killed/captured at least 1 (end), Rick is second high score of the season at 5 (I love the 'empty the mag" move). Thats larger than any other org since the entire Governor outfit no? Thats a lot of casualties for an unsuccessful raid. Time for a new CEO there too.

1) I now really doubt Glenn is gone - they're just REALLY building up towards the now 'even more emotional Death' for him!
2) Rick cut himself on Zombie #2's embedded machete after his knife broke
3) I think that was the last of the Wolves

Col. Dash wrote:
On the fence on the one guy, my theory is the other dude was on top of him and he was trapped. The only problem with that is what happens when dead guy turns or what happens when they finish eating him and get to the guy underneath.

Well, considering he blew his brains out, you don't have to worry about him turning. And if Glenn managed to slide under the dumpster right next to him, it'd be a good spot to wait until the walkers lose interest.

I think Glenn survived this for now...but I'm not sure that we're headed for a happy ending. One of my co-workers made the comment that Scott -- the guy with the note -- was really a stand-in for Glenn. That Scott's (who similarly seems to be a good dude) moments -- his new wife that he met post-apocalypse, his desire to get home, his interactions with Michonne, etc. -- were really about Glenn, if that makes sense. It may or may not be true, but it's an interesting take on the episode.





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 Alpharius wrote:
1) I now really doubt Glenn is gone - they're just REALLY building up towards the now 'even more emotional Death' for him!
2) Rick cut himself on Zombie #2's embedded machete after his knife broke
3) I think that was the last of the Wolves

So Rick has a hand injury, hmm? But a minor one compared to what happened in the books (which was at a different place and time, I grant you)?



Regarding the Wolves, you'd think they spend a little more time with them, given that they hinted at their philosophy, lifestyle, etc. Why spend even a few sentences on that if you aren't going to develop it later?

I don't think it's the last of the wolves. I think a fair number made off with slaves before we even see a lot of the ones that the Alexandrians kill and the 5 Rick catches at the end of the episode.

And while they were playing up a lot of stuff that could symbolize Glenn being gone there a few gaps beyond the stupidity of how he would have actually gone out.

1) He's a season one. One of the last 4 (Rick, Carl, Daryl, and Glenn). Heck I think we're only up to 5 that have been around since season 2 even. His "death scene" was more about the other guy than him.

2) Glenn doesn't panic. He's survived situations almost this bad before.

3) The angle and his lack of screaming feel like it was the other dudes body.

4) He wasn't on the couch. They've never not had a dead major cast member on the couch. And Glenn would have been there for that. And while they addressed him not being in the Memorium he wasn't in the Memorium.

5) Kirkman loves Glenn. He's on record that he was ok killing him off in the other medium because he had this one.

Overall I think we're going to see a guts keep me alive in combination with sliding under the dumpster. But he could truly die in the long episode next week. Which would suck. I just think it's more likely we're going to see him be the spark that re-ignites Rick. Rick actually looked defeated at the end of the episode.

I've always considered him in the second tier of safe. As in very safe but if the story needed it he could be on the block. Honestly there are only 3 people in the first tier of truly safe and that's Daryl (for ratings), Rick, and Carl. Tier 2 is Glenn, Michonne, Maggie, and Carol.

Also, Michonne telling that runner (who is probably one of the few people not totally lost in current world) how it is was awesome.

Overall, outside of the potential death, an excellent episode. Michonne stepping up as a leader and death machine Rick were on point last night.



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 gorgon wrote:

I think Glenn survived this for now...but I'm not sure that we're headed for a happy ending. One of my co-workers made the comment that Scott -- the guy with the note -- was really a stand-in for Glenn. That Scott's (who similarly seems to be a good dude) moments -- his new wife that he met post-apocalypse, his desire to get home, his interactions with Michonne, etc. -- were really about Glenn, if that makes sense. It may or may not be true, but it's an interesting take on the episode.

Yeah, the show runner for Lost kinda made the same point on the Talking Dead. And while the random guys death was reminiscent of a bigger character death and all of his lines could have slotted Glenn right into his place they've been a big fan of what if's this season so far. The guy who got eaten in the first episode after trying to set-up a rebellion against Rick was a stand-in for Rick if he had been mostly safe from day 1. This guy was Glenn's double as being mostly safe from day 1.

Not sure if it's accurate but its an interesting dynamic if they expanded it beyond Rick. You can even see some of it happening last season with Jesse for Carol and Aaron for Daryl to a lesser extent.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yeah, the show runner for Lost kinda made the same point on the Talking Dead. And while the random guys death was reminiscent of a bigger character death and all of his lines could have slotted Glenn right into his place they've been a big fan of what if's this season so far. The guy who got eaten in the first episode after trying to set-up a rebellion against Rick was a stand-in for Rick if he had been mostly safe from day 1. This guy was Glenn's double as being mostly safe from day 1.

Not sure if it's accurate but its an interesting dynamic if they expanded it beyond Rick. You can even see some of it happening last season with Jesse for Carol and Aaron for Daryl to a lesser extent

Those are great calls, you're right. And now the light has dawned for me...Alexandria is Bizarro World! It's interesting to start thinking about all the analogues.

Rick certainly was a bada** in that RV.

That fight was awesome because it was pretty much "I ain't got time for this gak!" Rick. No discussion, no worries, just wam bam 5 dead wolves.

Any thoughts on to what the Morgan centric preview means? Will we learn that Morgan was with the wolves for a time?

Ha! No. He just has his head up his own arse.

When the (Beta?) Wolf leader encountered Morgan a second time at the gates, he said "You?! You live here?" He was pretty surprised to see Morgan again, after having his ass kicked back in the woods.

No, the next episode will likely delve a little into Morgan's backstory to shed some light on why he's so batgak insane. Maybe a flashback to his son Duane getting eaten by walker mommy. The aftermath of that, and how Morgan dealt (or didn't) with that loss. What Morgan was doing before and after he encountered Rick the second time in Ricks home town near Ricks (now burnt out) house.

Remember that Morgan set a lot of traps about the place, and was more than willing to kill Rick Carl and Michonne for their gear. I think Morgan went a little psycho after Duane, had run ins with other survivors, killed a few people (maybe even some who didn't deserve it) and now he feels remorse for the people he hurt, and came up with his pacifist code to keep himself in check.

I think the next episode is Morgan after Rick, Michonne, and Carl left him. We're going to meet his "sensai" or the man who gave him back his morality/humanity.

Morgan is very much a man at war with himself and his control slipped a few times in the first two episodes. The guy playing him is phenomenal. I think though it won't be all Morgan. I think the next episode is longer to accommodate his story though.

Sensai? I'm positive when asked where he learned to fight, he made a reference to a "Cheese maker". Was I just hearing it wrong?

I heard that too.

Sneak peek for next episode. This is clearly a flashback. This was the helmet and shirt Morgan was wearing when he met Rick, Carl and Michonne, and he's hunting walkers, clearing the woods.

Probably turn out he made the wolves.

Amazing how difficult he makes it look to kill a few walkers......

Heres a thought. That dumpster had a lid right? Couldn't they just crawl inside and close it? There was also that fire escape they could have climbed up, if they could get past the junk or barricade.

Also, its pretty clear that Nicholas fell across Glenn, and the walkers are tearing into Nicholas. Unless they're pulling intestines out of Glenn's upper torso?

If Glenn makes it out alive, could it be that

I'd be OK with that - it would be quite awesome actually!

I think glens dead. there is no way for anyone to get out of that mess.

I think his not being on the talking dead is the mind job waiting for the bigger moment of zombie glen walking into alexandria with a bunch of supplies Then he'll be on the talking dead. After a few weeks of holding on to hope that he's alive only to see him as a walker should be quite the emotional event.