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As a comic reader, I say we're getting both Options.

They are rebuilding civilization, but its going to be extremely violent, walkers will be an ever present threat (we'll see that in the next episode) and there will be an ongoing threat of the new civilization they create collapsing around them.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
As a comic reader, I say we're getting both Options.

They are rebuilding civilization, but its going to be extremely violent, walkers will be an ever present threat (we'll see that in the next episode) and there will be an ongoing threat of the new civilization they create collapsing around them.

Maybe maybe..........there seems alot less chance of it happening in the show

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
As a comic reader, I say we're getting both Options.

They are rebuilding civilization, but its going to be extremely violent, walkers will be an ever present threat (we'll see that in the next episode) and there will be an ongoing threat of the new civilization they create collapsing around them.

Maybe maybe..........there seems alot less chance of it happening in the show

What?

You've actually been watching the show, right?

You're up to date?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
As a comic reader, I say we're getting both Options.

They are rebuilding civilization, but its going to be extremely violent, walkers will be an ever present threat (we'll see that in the next episode) and there will be an ongoing threat of the new civilization they create collapsing around them.

Maybe maybe..........there seems alot less chance of it happening in the show

What?

You've actually been watching the show, right?

You're up to date?

As I said - I am not convinced that a show showing them trying to rebuild will be that well received compared to

1) Travelling
2) "find a place of safety"
3) Bad guys - Zombies/Maruaders trash it and pretty much all the new people
4) Cast move on to try and find next place and the cycle continues.

No comic spoilers here, but IF they're even loosely falling the books, then what the show is doing now will be way more interesting that what you've proposed in that list.

They're going to do both, period. They deal with a lot of threats, whilst rebuilding civilisation. The Wolves are just the first big threat to Alexandria this season. And as of the latest comic issue, they're facing their greatest threat so far, even worse than he-who-shall-not-be-named. If fact they're probably going to need his help if the cover for an upcoming issue turns out to be literally true (unlikely, they're usually misleading).

 Alpharius wrote:
No comic spoilers here, but IF they're even loosely falling the books, then what the show is doing now will be way more interesting that what you've proposed in that list.

Like I said - maybe - maybe...............

There's no 'maybe' about it - what's coming up will be way better than your version!

 Alpharius wrote:
There's no 'maybe' about it - what's coming up will be way better than your version!

I hope so - but we have no idea what they have planned.............

I do.

You're really going to have to remember to use those spoiler tags...

Be an interesting twist if said person saved Alexandria from the herd................?

So do we think any Alexandrians are actually going to survive the season - I am thinking:

The loner girl who may or may not be a spy ( I think she isn't)
Maybe one of the gay guys

Anyone else?

 Alpharius wrote:
You're really going to have to remember to use those spoiler tags...

Hey it was deliberately vague. And I recall you forgetting to use tags yourself a couple pages ago.

So let's both remember to keep using them.

OK?

I think this is actually a point where a *huge* divergence is going to come between the books and the show.

I dont even think the wolves are
as they really just dont fit and it would let them do a whole season vs the wolves and a whole season vs the other guys

this whole season could just have the wolves introduced more, we meet

 easysauce wrote:
I think this is actually a point where a *huge* divergence is going to come between the books and the show.

I dont even think the wolves are

Spoiler:

the saviors

as they really just dont fit and it would let them do a whole season vs the wolves and a whole season vs the other guys

Well...right. Because

 gorgon wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
I think this is actually a point where a *huge* divergence is going to come between the books and the show.

I dont even think the wolves are

Spoiler:

the saviors

as they really just dont fit and it would let them do a whole season vs the wolves and a whole season vs the other guys

Well...right. Because

Spoiler:

the Wolves are the show analogue of the Scavengers, not the Saviors. They've just been "inflated," the same way that the Hunters were.

Honestly?


I haven't read the comics though, so I'm just going off what I could read as a synopsis.

Yeah Kan, that's not a good comparison at all.

The Wolves are most definitely NOT much like



at all!

Well, I think it's interesting that the Wolves seem to have a few similarities to that group.

The Wolves are definitely not the people who were exiled from Alexandria. They were just migrating in the same general direction as Morgan, who was following Rick. After the two leaders ran into Morgan and got their asses kicked, they probably followed his trail.

The only reason they found Alexandria is because they found Aarons backpack with all the photos of Alexandria, and clues to its location - a map, or at the very least the name of Alexandria (e.g. a photo of the sign). We already know that Alexandria is well signposted because we've seen Rick and co. pass by several signs on the road. If you know the name of Alexandria, you just need to follow the signs.

If the Wolves were the people who were thrown out, they would have already known its location, and would have attacked long before Rick arrived.

The Wolves are newcomers to the area, just like Rick and co.

I am really amped up to get home and see what happens! Time to tune out of this thread so I don't spoil anything important for myself. Be back with you gents (and I use the term loosely) after I view it.

Pretty slow episode, and not in a good way.

Sewer zombies reminded me way too much of Return of the Living Dead. I'm surprised they didn't sneak a line in about "Braaaaiiinnnsss...."

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Pretty slow episode, and not in a good way.

Sewer zombies reminded me way too much of Return of the Living Dead. I'm surprised they didn't sneak a line in about "Braaaaiiinnnsss...."

I have to agree that it wasn't great, while it gave some insight into how the Alexandrians are dealing with the aftermath it was anti-climatic just seeing Rick having apparently just sprinted away from his predicament being almost trapped in the R.V. Looking forward to getting back to more of the main cast.

I see they're stretching out our wait time further. Dammit, I was hoping answers came last night!

Well, it's TV...if they have a hook that can keep people tuning in, they'll use it. Clearly this ep was slower than the first few of the season. But honestly, I think the characters other than Morgan had been neglected to this point in the season, and some character development was much needed.

Unfortunately, this cast has gotten to be huge. The writers kinda have to split up the cast and juggle them, because trying to update every character in every episode is almost impossible while you're also trying to tell a story.

Maggie's decision was certainly interesting. I still say her character can grow whether Glenn is dead or alive.


Comic spoilers/commentary ahead:




EDIT: I also liked some of the seeds of hope that got planted in this episode...Rick's conversation with Deanna, Deanna's rediscovered determination, Tara's comment that it isn't the end of the world, etc.

The episode was good enough for me, pacing-wise. I kind of like the mixed tones of these last few episodes.

However, there were a number of behaviors that occurred this episode which really pulled me out of the narrative and left me asking WTF? As I said before, I understand that this is a TV show that constantly needs to have situations turn out badly to continually churn out new drama, and I can accept that, but even with that in mind, there are just things that make me scratch my head (and pull me out of the narrative), such as:


1) When Rick gets back to Alexandria, it is right after they've finished killing off the wolves, yet they didn't have any moments of showing Rick's reaction to someone telling him about it, which seems like it should have been some part of the narrative.


2) Rick tells everyone that they need to just shut the hell up and stay in their houses and the herd will eventually move away, and everyone...goes and does activities right next to the wall? People are burying bodies next to the wall, others are writing names on the wall, Deanna is pounding on the gate, they have people standing right up at the edge of the wall where the walkers can see them? Why? The way they've explained zombie 'herds' before is that when a few walkers get moving, the sounds those walkers make tends to draw other walkers to follow them. So if they all just got inside their houses and shut the hell up, eventually some of the walkers would invariably get drawn away from the wall by a woodland creature or something and some or all of the herd would start following them.

Now, I understand that they 'needed' the herd to sit outside the gates to make the themes of this particular episode fly...but at least they could have shown the town making an effort to be quiet and stay hidden, right? Instead of actively doing a bunch of activities right on the other side of the wall?


3) TWD's cast, especially its 'lesser' characters is so big, that they clearly don't hire those actors to work on episodes unless they've got something for them to actually do, but that always creates a really weird feeling when you wonder: why am I not seeing person 'X' this episode.

For example, suddenly having Aaron show up this episode made me wonder why the hell we hadn't seen him during the Wolves raid? And where the hell was Carol this episode? Maybe they will reveal in a later episode that she is on some secret mission outside the wall during this time, but I don't think so, as they mentioned that Carol was up for guard duty soon (or something like that). So its just strange that Rick would be having a big meeting about what the town should do to survive the herd and Carol, who is usually the person that always helps people see that what Rick is saying is right, was nowhere to be found.

Just a little idiosyncrasy that happens with shows that have ensemble casts (LOST had this issue all the time too), but its always a bit strange when it happens.

1) Rick killed a bunch of people with the w's on their heads so it's not like he'd react with shock. Plus the sound combined with his fight probably indicated a raid. So he's not surprised and we don't need that explanation.

2) Fair enough. The standing up in broad daylight is a bit silly. The sounds in the town though, if moderated, would have been lower than the zombie drone so I'm meh about the sound.

3) I see what you're saying but Aaron was actually at the raid. It surprised me when he wasn't with the herd team but he was killing people with Maggie during the raid. But yeah, we're suffering a bit of bloat right now. Also Carol was there during the speech. She was just glanced over in the filming and didn't have any lines. She might have actually had lines that got cut but she didn't need to stand up for Rick. Aaron (an Alexandrian) was.

Overall solid episode for me. But it's a build up episode too.

When we were watching we did think it was pretty hilarious that Rick was telling everyone to be quiet - whilst shouting near the walls, then as others have noted - everyone goes along and does stuff next to the wall or stand on it in full view to make sure the zombies stay around - yeah I get that its a plot device but.............funny.

It does seem that Rick and crew are the doom incarnate in that everywhere they go they destroy

It was a reasonable episode of non main cast character development.

Carol was making a cake - she is just a stay at home mom remember - I don't think any of the Alexandrians saw her "working" - also she was a bit depressed.

Given the preview flashes I figure Glenn might make it..............

I like that Aaron felt guilt over the photos etc - very different to Morgan who is equally responsible given his stupidity.

Well, that's that then - the Special Someone has been cast!

"Walking Dead" Casts Jeffrey Dean Morgan As