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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Btw, did anyone else notice that one of the Saviours (the fat one who guards Daryl whilst Negan is speaking to Dwight)...has Rick's Revolver?

I didn't notice that - good catch there!

Now caught up and enjoyed the episode.

Nicely done and with a very catchy tune

 Hulksmash wrote:
I think we'll see a season and a half of the Saviors. One season doesn't feel long enough with 4 locations to shoot and keep up with but 2 full seasons feels like to much. We'll just have to see.

I agree.

Just look at the cliffhanger we got from season 6 to 7. I don't want to say too much for those who haven't read the comics, but I don't think they're going to end season 7 on the same note the Saviors storyline ended with in the comics.

Plus, having the conclusion of that arc at midseason of 8 also sets up an interesting return a few weeks later that will also have people talking. Then you can end season 8 on any number of notes from that next storyline.

Just out of curiosity, I'm curious to know just how much is covered in the comics. 7 seasons seems to have covered a lot of content, yet there's still more in the comics? How far in is the Saviors plot line? 80% of the way through comic content? 2/3 of the way through? Half way?

I wonder what happens when AMC finally does exhaust the comics.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I'm curious to know just how much is covered in the comics. 7 seasons seems to have covered a lot of content, yet there's still more in the comics? How far in is the Saviors plot line? 80% of the way through comic content? 2/3 of the way through? Half way?

I wonder what happens when AMC finally does exhaust the comics.

We are quite far into the comics but they have just time jumped years after a major conflict. I would say the TV show is about 75% through the comic story lines.

The current story line in the comic could be inserted into the show without he jump but it would make it very different.

We're at the start of the Saviors arc, which was one of the longest in the comics. They've only just been introduced.

Not really spoilers, but still:



They did however miss a trick with the Saviors. In the comics they use melee weapons for much of the first arc. When Rick's group gets the confidence to make a larger attack they're repelled by gunfire. Negan laughs at them saying something like "we use melee weapons to fend off the dead, because they're so easy to kill. We're not idiots wasting the ammo, we keep that for people like you". Pity they wasted that moment.



As has been said there's a time skip of a few years in the comics after the Savior's arc. In the show they had a couple of months jump between Sanctuary and Alexandria though (they headed to the South first, then made a trek all the way from their to DC). This jump's fairly necessary in the comics arc, and it'd be a pity if they either show the developments in a shorter timeframe, or cut it out altogether (something similar happened with the prison as well, but on a smaller scale - with Rick having little farm in the second season there).

Maybe they'll cover Michonne's thing as padding between those seasons though.

The Sanctuary on the show does have the wall of chained zombies. Dwight was sending prisoners to build it in episode 3.

WyrmallaRE: Savior Base - you...didn't watch the latest episode yet then?

I'm always a season behind... :(

Who got their face smashed in? Wait don't spoil it!

 Wyrmalla wrote:
I'm always a season behind... :(

Who got their face smashed in? Wait don't spoil it!

Who didn't?

Oh god, don't tell me Shane died! No!

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Oh god, don't tell me Shane died! No!

Lucille is a necrophiliac ...

 Wyrmalla wrote:

Spoiler:

Meh, Lucille's already dead.

Yeah I just read that !

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Oh god, don't tell me Shane died! No!

You know what? Screw Shane. I'm so upset about what happened to Otis that I'll never forgive him. Leaving him to a crowd of walkers who then took turns beating him with a barbed wire-wrapped baseball bat like that... Oops, I may have said too much already

Negan beat the Governor with Lucille. Then punted Herschel's head like a bloody football.

He then had tea and crumpets with Rick.

Very good episode this week, darn tense and well put together!

She was pissed that the Saviors took all of their mattresses and then just burned them by the side of the road.

They did it just to make them uncomfortable at 'home' - they didn't need/want them themselves.

She's pissed at Rick for giving in/giving up - though Rick is right 'right now' - they're outnumbered - even though TV Show Rick and Company killed a TON of Saviors already...

I thought the episode was overly long and drawn out, and I was wondering why.

Then I thought...was it just so that the time could get past 10PM so Negan could deliver his infamous line, safely into 'mature audiences time' here in the USA?

Ah right, I thought it looked like a burned down house, hence my confusion!

I didn't quite get it at first either - it wasn't until they switched camera angles that it became readily apparent.

I do like the WTF?!? face on Michonne at that point though - good stuff!

Not sure how many more episodes of Pussy Rick and Broken Daryl I can take, though I suppose the story calls for...quite a few more of those.

Yes, thats my fear too.
We get it, they're broken but its time to ramp things up again.
Reedus must have been laughing - so on this shoot, you want me to just stand around looking broody and depressed? Ok!

Im hoping Gabriel finds a bit more mojo this series, not in a macho alpha male way but maybe in a more sneaky, coniving way like he did with the graves. Like out thinking Negans group a bit more.

They fethed up at least twice I think.

First, they missed an opportunity for Carl to do his "serial killer" moment that they missed out from the execution scene (in the comics when Negan kills Glenn, Carl glares at Negan the entire time to the point that Negan notices and calls him a "future serial killer". He basically impresses Negan.). Which is very important foreshadowing for what Carl is going to do next (or did next in the comics, really hope they don't drop that too).

Second of all, they gave Rick's cool moment to Spencer! Fething Spencer?!

Hmmm, very interesting!
Maybe they'll do the Rick reveal bit next week?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
They fethed up at least twice I think.

First, they missed an opportunity for Carl to do his "serial killer" moment that they missed out from the execution scene (in the comics when Negan kills Glenn, Carl glares at Negan the entire time to the point that Negan notices and calls him a "future serial killer". He basically impresses Negan.). Which is very important foreshadowing for what Carl is going to do next (or did next in the comics, really hope they don't drop that too).

Second of all, they gave Rick's cool moment to Spencer! Fething Spencer?!

Spoiler:

In the Comics, Rick's partner Andrea (Michonne being the TV equivalent) is pissed off with Rick for being so submissive and starts to pack up and leave his house. Its at that point that Rick reveals to Michonne that its all an act, he's biding his time by keeping Negan happy only until Rick can find a way to fight back. He just needs everyone to believe it for the time being, especially his best fighters, so he can keep the peace until they're strong enough.

Like I'm sure I've said in this thread before, the show is -- much more than the comic -- about the changing moods and mental states of Rick. This is probably because unlike some ink on a page, you have a star on the show that needs opportunities for ACTING to keep him interested. But IMO we're definitely seeing another shift back to 'weak Rick', where comic Rick is just a much stronger and consistent character overall.



I think they're getting there with Carl, though.

Regarding Spencer (comic spoiler ahead)...

Regarding Spencer...



I'm worried that they're going to give Carl's upcoming...adventure...to Spencer instead, what with Spencer being willing to fight unlike his comic counterpart.

It looks like they're doing that thing again where they follow the comics closely, but mix up the characters. (Cutting off Merle's hand instead of Rick, Andrea dieing early and Michonne replacing her, Denise getting the arrow to the head instead of Abraham etc).

Is Maggie pregnant IRL? i.e wont be in a few episodes until later?

 Ratius wrote:
Is Maggie pregnant IRL? i.e wont be in a few episodes until later?

Nothing on google or wikipedia that indicates that.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm worried that they're going to give Carl's upcoming...adventure...to Spencer instead, what with Spencer being willing to fight unlike his comic counterpart.

It looks like they're doing that thing again where they follow the comics closely, but mix up the characters. (Cutting off Merle's hand instead of Rick, Andrea dieing early and Michonne replacing her, Denise getting the arrow to the head instead of Abraham etc).

I think they're probably saving Spencer's arc as in the comics for later. Consider that



Carl's little moment with Negan makes me think his arc will also take place, similar to the comics.

And Tara was the one who was pregnant IRL, not Maggie. I think that's the mixup.

I appreciated the episode. And I liked Gabriel pulling a fast one on Negan. I also had no idea they were burned mattresses at the end. Makes a lot more sense.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
He is far more of an arsehole than in the comics. Nobody was taken prisoner and subjected to torture in the comics.

Just watched it and that was my thought as well. This version of Negan and Dwight is much more evil than the comic version. Comic Negan was brutal no doubt but there was a fairness to him. He had his own code. In the comic I would say deep down underneath it all Negan does want to rebuild civilization even if he has to use iron fisted tactics to do it. I don't get that from TV Negan at all, this guy is just a total A-Hole. I think this version of the story is going to end up in a much different place than the comic did.