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Ugh, good call there Gorgon.

And yeah, that's almost a guarantee, isn't it?

Just hose him down, poke him in the eyes and let him loose.

Again!

Also, for everyone that hates Eugene, he owned up to Negan and identified himself as the bullet maker. That took a hell of a lot of guts - he thought he was gonna be killed. Negan was definitely tempted.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Also, for everyone that hates Eugene, he owned up to Negan and identified himself as the bullet maker. That took a hell of a lot of guts - he thought he was gonna be killed. Negan was definitely tempted.

That'll be me then Well only one person died before he did (and he was in danger of being randomly picked to be blown away) but yeah he finally did the right thing

I can;t think of anyone in the comics who fits who the guy at the boat is - anyone any ideas?

Nope. He has no direct equivalent. My guess is he's an original invention of the show.

 Alpharius wrote:
Ugh, good call there Gorgon.

And yeah, that's almost a guarantee, isn't it?

Just hose him down, poke him in the eyes and let him loose.

Again!

The thing is, it wasn't that long ago (in show terms, although it may feel like a long time to us) that the show was toying with the idea that Rick's gone full caveman. That was from his arrival in Alexandria (ME WANT JESSIE) all the way up to him making the preemptive strike on the Saviors. And now he's broken again...I mean fixed. Again.

IMO, the preemptive strike thing was where some of the problems started with the writing. It wasn't in Rick's character to do that. Clearly it was about build-up...both for Rick, so he could be shattered, and Negan, because they wanted him to be a big deal for the show. And perhaps because of the preemptive strike, they had to triple-down on how eeeeeeeeeeevil Negan and the Saviors are so they didn't end up looking like a more reasonable bunch of fellas than Rick's crew.

If they had just followed the comic a little more closely, I think this whole arc would have felt more real and less manipulative. I mean, the Glenn dumpster thing? Really? Just to make us think you *wouldn't* kill him so it'd be surprising when you did? Dumb.

Yeah, the overt manipulation is very weak and I was disappointed that they went broken Rick again. It was stupid and didn't make any sense in context. Possum Rick would have worked just as well and made a lot more contextual sense- fight smarter, not harder.

Negan really seems to want Rick's life, though. And definitely is being a softy (from Negan's POV anyway). Rosita's move was *super* dumb, but did showcase how Eugene has advanced.

Darryl looked like a badass. Bashing that guy's head was totally legit after what he had been through and seen them to be. Seems like their will be fallout, however.

Interested to see who the new guy is. Looks like he has some spiffy boots.

The spiffy boot guy is Negan's lost brother, Biff. He strangles people with a chain named Linda. And has a penchant for boats. He's a sicker man than Negan. And he has a brothel of men.

Oh wait, FETH. I have an idea who it might be...Anyone else remember Davidson? In the comics the mystery of what happened to Davidson was left unsolved. But the TV showrunners might have decided to adapt it for the show as a filler arc. Some lone nutter with a grudge against Alexandria for casting him out. Seems to be consistent with the character that owned the boat on the lake that Rick and Aaron raided (assuming the owner of the boat is the same person as the person we see in this episode). He'll have a grudge against Aaron in particular.

As mentioned by Aaron, Davidson was once the leader of a small group consisting of himself, a woman, and another man. The three were recruited by Aaron and brought to the Alexandria Safe-Zone, but were exiled away from the community by its leader Deanna Monroe after proving to be unfit to reside peacefully within the walls. He and the other two were driven out by Deanna's son Aiden and another community member Nicholas, and were left behind with a couple days' worth of food and water, but no guns.

It is unknown what happened to Davidson and his companions.

Davidson was a very different character in the comics, and actually co-founded Alexandria with Douglas Monroe (the male comic counterpart to Deanna Monroe).

So who let Daryl out? Dwight?

Jesus probably.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Jesus probably.

Why would he and how would he slip him a note? Seems like an inside job.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Jesus probably.

Why would he and how would he slip him a note? Seems like an inside job.

Dude, Jesus is a ninja. He could sneak into Negan's room and hide under Negan's bed while he sleeps if he wanted to.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Jesus probably.

Why would he and how would he slip him a note? Seems like an inside job.

Dude, Jesus is a ninja. He could sneak into Negan's room and hide under Negan's bed while he sleeps if he wanted to.

Ya, but then he would just open the door and say let's go.

I'm going with Dwight because he wasn't at Alexandria doing evil stuff. He's supposed to be the one watching the shop. Seeing Negan iron another guy's face may have made him think about some of his life decisions.

Well, its a bit early for that but sure. I can buy that.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
So who let Daryl out? Dwight?

I was assuming Dwights ex wife with her "interesting" love/hate relationship with Negan and she likes Daryl (she is a woman so no surprise there)

 gorgon wrote:

Spoiler:

...when Alpha makes her little Pez dispenser fence, we'll have the privilege of seeing Andrew Lincoln bugging out his eyes and shaking yet again...

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
So who let Daryl out? Dwight?

Dwight. The key attached to the note was for Daryls motorbike. Could only be Sherry if she decided to change out of those tiny shoes into some stompy army boots. Also the whole wardrobe swap between the two characters seems a big tell. Dwight now wears the biker leathers and Daryl returns to his redneck roots, these two could have been brothers.

Why would Jesus slip Daryl a note only to meet up with him moments later.

 whembly wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Spoiler:

...when Alpha makes her little Pez dispenser fence, we'll have the privilege of seeing Andrew Lincoln bugging out his eyes and shaking yet again...

Spoiler:

You mean Carol??

 MarsNZ wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
So who let Daryl out? Dwight?

Dwight. The key attached to the note was for Daryls motorbike. Could only be Sherry if she decided to change out of those tiny shoes into some stompy army boots. Also the whole wardrobe swap between the two characters seems a big tell. Dwight now wears the biker leathers and Daryl returns to his redneck roots, these two could have been brothers.

Why would Jesus slip Daryl a note only to meet up with him moments later.

Yeah, Dwight seems pretty sick of Negan and has crossed him before. With seeing Darryl as something of a kindred spirit and the groups as competent enough to at least oust Negan, Dwight seems to be getting bolder. No doubt Negan will be super pissed that Daryl got out. Easy enough to blame it on the guy who got his skull caved, however. Heck, Negan might appreciate that particular detail.

 gorgon wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Spoiler:

...when Alpha makes her little Pez dispenser fence, we'll have the privilege of seeing Andrew Lincoln bugging out his eyes and shaking yet again...

Spoiler:

You mean Carol??

Spoiler:

Not sure I follow. You mean Carol on a post? Possible, but I tend to think they'll stick to the script and use Ezekiel.

Have they killed off Sasha Williams yet? If not, I'm guessing she's not long for the world given that the actress, Sonequa Martin-Green, is set to be one of the main characters on that new Star Trek show.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/76908

Ah that's a shame - I like her character

re the Daryl release - yeah forgot about the boots.

I put that in my spoiler!!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I put that in my spoiler!!

Sorry, missed it. It technically isn't a spoiler though as it doesn't address a specific known event from the show.

It's a spoiler for people who didn't know about that casting news though - bad form there B, bad form!

Can't you put that in a spoiler for him? Bad mod form there, Alphie

The horse is out of the barn - and clearly I was joking.

Although maybe it wasn't...clear enough?

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Spoiler:

...when Alpha makes her little Pez dispenser fence, we'll have the privilege of seeing Andrew Lincoln bugging out his eyes and shaking yet again...

Spoiler:

You mean Carol??

Spoiler:

Not sure I follow. You mean Carol on a post? Possible, but I tend to think they'll stick to the script and use Ezekiel.

Spoiler:

i see Carol winning any confrontation with Alpha. I think they'll stick to Ezekiel too.

Also...Sasha is toast. She just signed as the lead role for Star Trek. Since she has Holly's comic arc, and they're staying close to the comics this season, she's got a MASSIVE target on her back. Just as large as the one on Abraham was.

 Alpharius wrote:
The horse is out of the barn - and clearly I was joking.

Although maybe it wasn't...clear enough?

I was teasing back, dude. I thought it was a given.

It was!

Again, maybe that wasn't obvious - I'll try to be more "Anvil" going forward!

Anyway, I love it when the TV series deviates from the comics - makes it more interesting that way.

I often wish they'd deviate MORE, but I suppose that would be a lot of extra work...