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I really enjoyed that episode. I do agree with the desire to see Rosita die at this point. I'm going to be pissed when she lives and Sasha dies (because we know she has to since she's doing another show).

But the overall episode was great. It really highlighted what the actual threat of zombies is now for the current survivors (i.e. simply being stupid) but also showed how they react to recover from their own stupid. I really, really enjoyed the Rick and Michone based episode. Silly that the guns weren't enough so off to seaside we go...

It was a fun but yet another filler episode. Rick and Mich were good.

Scary when the priest actually makes sense for once.

And of course giving a bunch of wierd people who live in the dump 40 Assault rifles could not go wrong given that al they know about them is they like to chuck people into their zombie Gladiator pit.

I like Rosita and Sacha and having just caught up with Black Sails be sad if more female characters I like are killed off :(

Oh nearly forgot - how badly was that Deer inserted into the scene - visually and narratively.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I really enjoyed that episode. I do agree with the desire to see Rosita die at this point. I'm going to be pissed when she lives and Sasha dies (because we know she has to since she's doing another show).

Maybe. Maybe not.

People flipped out when Norman Reedus got that "Ride" show on AMC, saying that Daryl was going to die...

But the overall episode was great. It really highlighted what the actual threat of zombies is now for the current survivors (i.e. simply being stupid) but also showed how they react to recover from their own stupid. I really, really enjoyed the Rick and Michone based episode. Silly that the guns weren't enough so off to seaside we go...

I just enjoyed the sheer absurdity of the fight at the slide and Carnival Barker Rick.

There is a difference between Norman Reedus riding a motorcycle for 2 weeks, filming it, and chopping it up into episodes on the same network where his appearance is already apt for the show and a different network flagship show for their streaming service. I just don't see her sticking around.

And yes, the sheer silly of the slide/ferriswheel fight was great. Especially when he counts to see how many are left in such a relaxed and unhurried way.

I just like that it showed how instantly guys can think on their feet and how unhurried and relaxed they are compared to, for Rick anyway, earlier season. "Ok, barrier didn't hold them. Let's do this now. If we split they won't have enough weight for the barriers. Go."

I did seem oddly incongruous that the same Rick who could quickly assess the threat and act effectively could not figure out to just finish the zombies then shoot the deer as opposed to climbing up a rusty slide.

Also, apparently the Dump people only care about number of firearms and not kind. And the cat.

Rosita is a super annoying pain. Should have thrown her in the zombie gladiator pit.

 jmurph wrote:
I did seem oddly incongruous that the same Rick who could quickly assess the threat and act effectively could not figure out to just finish the zombies then shoot the deer as opposed to climbing up a rusty slide.

To be fair it wasn't a slide. It was the ferris wheel. Hence how he wound up outside the fencing. That said he figured he was safe and he owed Michone a deer after the one that Negan took so he was trying to pay her back. It actually says a lot about how comfortable they are when they know they can focus on things like that when they are surrounded by zombies. I thought it was actually well done.

The CGI of that deer was painfully bad. Wolverine Origins clawing the fire escape level bad.

Rosita...being known as "the hot one" for most of her beginning is definitely coming dangerously close to Andrea territory. Show Andrea, that is. Not comic Andrea.

Is 'Fear The Walking Dead' much cop?

Watched the first season and thought it was awful - no empathy for any of the characters, kept hoping Junkie O'Liability would go get himself scoffed off a Zombie, or otherwise meet an amusing fate.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is 'Fear The Walking Dead' much cop?

Watched the first season and thought it was awful - no empathy for any of the characters, kept hoping Junkie O'Liability would go get himself scoffed off a Zombie, or otherwise meet an amusing fate.

I had exactly the same opinion -Walking Dead has its dips and low points but FTWD was just one long tedious low point full of annoying "characters" that made the zombies look sympathetic.

but apparently its still being made so some people must like it.

I think they squandered the actual fall opportunity but that it's actually gotten really good. There are still 1-2 characters that could get eaten today and I wouldn't care but it's mostly well done and feels more coherent than TWD did at the same point.

To be fair the first season was almost second season TWD bad. But it really got better in season 2.

The second season of FTWD was better than the second season of TWD.

Thats not saying much however.

Meh, I'd rate season 2 of FTWD over Season 1 and 2 of TWD. And over most of the beginning of this season. Probably other arcs of TWD too honestly. Outside of dumb mom (whose actions are actually totally inline with her character) there isn't a whole lot of idiocy. Most of them make normal human mistakes and learn from them. The sister and junkie brother being the best examples.

They do seem to learn faster than Rick's lot.

Yeah, I think they have more freedom to breathe with FTWD so they don't feel locked in to certain preposterous angles. It also isn't locked into a "this guy is the leader" mentality, which is nice.

Hulksmash: Yeah, the slide comment was a reference to the fact that the piece came out and became a slide. I don't know that I would agree that someone halfway competent would expect an unmaintained carnival ride to reliable support you while you climb above undead predators (that could have easily been dispatched fairly quickly had you simply not climbed up). Likewise, such a false sense of complacency seems ill matched for someone who has repeatedly seen people die to such stupidity and actively warned others to not get soft. Especially when he literally had no reason to not just finish the zombies and then shoot the deer after since shooting the deer before looked like it would just cause the zombies to chow down on the carcass.

Anyway, not a big deal, and I'm glad it worked for some people. Seemed like another Glennesque cheap play to me, even though counterproductive at this point since we know Rick can't die.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I think they squandered the actual fall opportunity but that it's actually gotten really good. There are still 1-2 characters that could get eaten today and I wouldn't care but it's mostly well done and feels more coherent than TWD did at the same point.

To be fair the first season was almost second season TWD bad. But it really got better in season 2.

Agree. The only difference is supposed to be that we get to see the end of the world and that's what you do with it? But it does get better.

Heh, so this episode was kind of a huge cluster. Pretty solid episode.
Richard continues to put others in danger for his plan, albeit it somewhat unintentionally this time. The Survivors continue to learn nothing from Bad Guy 101 and pull the shoot some random person instead of the offender. Carol impresses (?) by using an overly elaborate way to kill 5 zombies.

I was disappointed to see Morgan snap, though, and feel like they keep whipsawing the characters too much. I guess since Gabriel is Rick's new conscience, they don't need him for that role. If they can keep him as a focused violence type, it will be okay, I guess. I also wasn't sure what the point of with the whole "I think I just pissed myself" line- wouldn't they be kind of used to the tiger by now?

I do like Ezekiel's growing resentment of the Saviors as it shows some actual development. I wonder though, if it is believable that he would support war and the risks to his people after he found out that it was one of his crew that instigated the conflict. Especially when it seems like the Saviors believe everything is back to normal.

I think it's believable. His protoge is dead because of a random act by Saviors with no actual punishment being meted out. If that dude had put a bullet in the offenders head then I think Ezekiel wouldn't fight. But he didn't. And his other main adviser was shown to be willing to commit suicide to push the kingdom in the direction it needs to go. Add in Carol and Morgan both now pushing for violence and it's totally believable he'll fight. Remember all the escalation kept happening WHILE they were doing what they had agreed to. He didn't step out of line once and was extremely forgiving of issues and it still got his protege killed.

I enjoyed the episode. I think the Carol zombie killings were, while a bit silly, quasi sensible. Shows how she thinks and works smarter, not harder vs. how morgan did his killing at the end of the episode or Rick/Michone last week. I thought it was a bit f'd up for Morgan to unload his baggage on Carol and pull her down into his pit with him but if he's ready to fight he probably wants all the tools to do it. And he's probably the second most dangerous person on the show outside of Carol.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I think it's believable. His protoge is dead because of a random act by Saviors with no actual punishment being meted out. If that dude had put a bullet in the offenders head then I think Ezekiel wouldn't fight. But he didn't.

I kind of got the impression that the reason the Savior was told to start walking and leave the stick was because the leader was leaving him open to reprisals. Kind of a "We can write it off as he got ate by walkers" thing.

I enjoyed the episode. I think the Carol zombie killings were, while a bit silly, quasi sensible. Shows how she thinks and works smarter, not harder vs. how morgan did his killing at the end of the episode or Rick/Michone last week. I thought it was a bit f'd up for Morgan to unload his baggage on Carol and pull her down into his pit with him but if he's ready to fight he probably wants all the tools to do it. And he's probably the second most dangerous person on the show outside of Carol.

I actually got the impression that it was Morgan trying to come clean with Carol. He was, in his own f'd up way, trying to say goodbye to his closest(both physically and mentally) friend.

Yeah, that's what I got, too. At first, he wanted to stay out of it and not get between Daryl and her, but then he saw how deception can get people killed and so he came clean.

I also don't really get how picking up a sign is working smarter when she has any number of stabby things and 5 walkers shouldn't be a challenge to any of the main crew absent unusual circumstances (such as Rick's tumble).

Sitting in a tree is easier than dancing around 5 walkers and risking falling down or stupid accidents. It actually made sense to me. In the zombie apoc you don't take pointless risks. It also shows the difference between Carol and even other like Rick and Michonne. Carol would have cleared that entire park by herself and likely had zero oopsy moments.

Unless, of course, a branch gives out, your foot slips, etc. It's just another odd depiction, IMO. Especially when they had Rick fall in his climbing stunt last week and, to me illustrates the unevenness in messaging. Anyone can die at any time, but fortunately, no one ever gets infections, so using a rusted sign pole is just as good as using a weapon you know to be reliable because it will only be secondary characters who die unless it's the end of the season anyway. They keep wavering between trying to be "realistic" and just going with their own absurdity. Which, at this point, I would prefer. Just have her mow 'em down without breaking stride. She's a badass. Save the strategery stuff for when it matters/helps the story along.

Also, why aren't people going out wearing zombie gut ponchos by now? Maybe with a nice skull hat.

Im always uneasy by the ammount of rotting infected blood everyone gets covered in.... not even a rag covering your mouth? Cmon guys....

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Im always uneasy by the ammount of rotting infected blood everyone gets covered in.... not even a rag covering your mouth? Cmon guys....

The joke is that in the comics one of the factions uses zombie blood as a weapon. If you can be infected from having the blood in your wound, then how come it doesn't also infect you through your pores, or be swallowing it?

Ah right, because it looks cool covering a guy in blood (looking at you Fear the Walking Dead).

I'm more baffled that a year or so in (quit's possibly longer), the Zombies are still around in large numbers.

I mean, that's just not how decomposition works!

Isn't the idea that everyone is already infected anyway, so it doesn't matter?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'm more baffled that a year or so in (quit's possibly longer), the Zombies are still around in large numbers.

I mean, that's just not how decomposition works!

I'm not quite sure how a human body can exist without any blood circulation, or in the case of a decapitated head, the inability to generate any energy to physically allow the brain to still function...

In this world you could stick a zombie's brain in a jar and it'd still be "alive", regardless of any input. If it weren't for the whole downfall of society thing, and ethics, there'd be a lot of opportunities for medical research right now.

Like all Zombie shows - how they work is narrative driven

Zombies make no sense unless you use magic or something similar like the T Virus and even then.....

Still I love Zombies

Hopefully the next WD epsiode will be worth watching as its getting terribly turgid (yet again. But I guess we are off to the seaside. Give us at least a Negan cameo to make it wtchable I hope.

Yeah, I don't know how geeks get so hung up on this or that detail of zombies, when there are 100 other things about them that make no sense.

Why can you shove small knives into their skulls like they're soft melons, and yet their jaws seem capable of biting through anything less than body armor? *shrug* Honestly, I think Kirkman has the right idea by NOT spelling out too much of the imaginary science at work, because zombies are ultimately an impossible, ridiculous concept.

You also see this same "accept 100 silly things, get hung up on 1" phenomenon at work in 40K fluff discussions, only there it gets a thousand times worse.

It bothered me much more when they cured the superflu at the prison with antibiotics. Because that was a less fantastical element and really should have adhered closer to real-world logic.

I think this was brought up before, but under normal circumstances how long would it take for a human body to be reduced to a skeleton? They've been going for a few years now, wouldn't the majority of the herds be nothing but bones by now assuming the biggest chunk of their population was from the initial outbreak?

We decided that we hate Rosita since she's so emo and dumb now and want her to die next, which means she'll survive and get to annoy us for many seasons to come. I'm guessing Sasha will die next, since she's gonna be on that new star trek show.

And what's with the junkyard people.. why do they talk so funny? Were they a cult that worshiped Yoda before the apocalypse?

IIRC the costume designers have said that they've actively tried to show an increased degradation of the zombies with each season (for instance there's one covered in moss with exposed bones at one point). We'll have to see how the carries through the time skip.

In the show though, zombies can be submerged in water for years and whilst they do deteriorate, they're still capable of moving (re: the one in the charity goods store's basement/ the one submerged in the river by the Governor's second hang out). They seem to be broken down by the elements, not actual decomposition.