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 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Hey guys, would it be too much to ask y'all to tag your diddly-darn spoilers?

~Tim?

Or you could not read a thread about a discussion of a show right after a big special episode of the show aired but befor watching it yourself? I mean what did you Expect people to be posting?

 Dr. What wrote:
Things I liked:

Spoiler:

- Why is Capaldi asking how to fly the TARDIS?
Most of all: - Did anybody else think Capaldi didn't enunciate well? To me, Tennant and Smith spoke very clearly and Capaldi seemed more muffled.

Traditionally, the doctor has been a bit messed up after regeneration. This one was a big one and he was more so. Heck, there was an entire episode for Davison where he was useless and his companions had to run things.

So what was 11 talking about with 10 using up a regen cycle?

 NecronLord3 wrote:
So what was 11 talking about with 10 using up a regen cycle?

That'll be when he regenerated a clone of himself from that spare hand.

Yeah, he used the regeneration energy to heal himself, so he could stay the same.

So far this has been about as sub par as I could have imagined...I cannot wait for this to end, just to seem my new doctor. Because it seems like that'll be the only good scene of the episode.

Yeah, you'll be sorely disappointed by the Daleks, despite them all being the original 2005 versions.

In a weird way I'm glad I am not the only one to have been disappointed.

I'll watch it again on the BBC3 repeats, although I don't think it will reward a second viewing in the way The Day of The Doctor did.

And it's over. Thank the lord for that.

 Dr. What wrote:
Things I liked:

Spoiler:

- The Papal Mainframe being explained (Headless Monks and those soldiers from Matt Smith's first encounter with the Weeping Angels also covered, kind of).
- The Silence as a religious order being explained.
- Clara, I love Clara.
- Smith is my favorite Doctor so far and I enjoyed that he gave an interesting monologue at the end of his time, instead of complaining that he didn't want to go.
- Well placed humor.
- The Doctor as a protector willing to defend Christmas and Gallifrey for so long.
- The Weeping Angels as a minor villain, not as over the top as they've been in Smith's time.
- Capaldi's intro was interesting, except him asking how to fly the TARDIS.

Things that I didn't like:

Spoiler:

- Ditching Clara twice? Seriously, it was dumb in the first season, why do it again?
- Though the Silence sect that blew up the TARDIS was explained, we still don't know how they possibly got the TARDIS in the first place in order to blow it up.
- The Dalek stalk foreheads. They really are just annoying and kind of a deus ex machina, in my opinion.
- The Daleks seemed rather lame and more of a throw-in villain.
- Why is Capaldi asking how to fly the TARDIS?
Most of all: - Did anybody else think Capaldi didn't enunciate well? To me, Tennant and Smith spoke very clearly and Capaldi seemed more muffled.

It's called "having an accent" - unlike David "North British" Tennant, Capaldi isn't going to kid-on he's English it seems.

All of them are good actors and can do a variety of accents.

Tennant for example is a Scot and appears with his native accent in most other work he has done.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
All of them are good actors and can do a variety of accents.

Tennant for example is a Scot and appears with his native accent in most other work he has done.

Yes, I believe Tennant's real surname is actually McDonald.

 AduroT wrote:

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Hey guys, would it be too much to ask y'all to tag your diddly-darn spoilers?

~Tim?

Or you could not read a thread about a discussion of a show right after a big special episode of the show aired but befor watching it yourself? I mean what did you Expect people to be posting?

Oh, I wasn't talking about myself. I was just under the impression that, if a thread doesn't have a spoilers warning in the title, it's expected of people to hide their spoilers. Just basic internet politeness. It's not that hard to do. Just press the "Spoiler" button.

~Tim?

Letdown. Day of the doctor was so good and this was kinda lame. I just don't see how Clara and the new doc will have any chemistry at all. With her whole arc being based upon the premise the doctor was her 'fake boyfriend' now will she introduce the doctor as 'her weird grandpa'?

I will still watch it... I am curious to see how it works... but not thrilled so far.

I have the distinct feeling that Clara's gran knows something more than she's letting on.

 Compel wrote:
I have the distinct feeling that Clara's gran knows something more than she's letting on.

Lol... Did she pull a Fry and is her own grandmother?

Well, she is the "Impossible Girl" or something....

Clara's gran was just being mildly crazy and a little aroused by the naked doctor.

Sure, the first time... But when Clara returned, there was definitely something more there.

Surprisingly, the Fry theory may not end up being that far fetched.

 Compel wrote:
Sure, the first time... But when Clara returned, there was definitely something more there.

Surprisingly, the Fry theory may not end up being that far fetched.

That theory boggles the mind.

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more of Capaldi. I'm hoping he brings a bit of his Malcom Tucker to Doctor Who.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more of Capaldi. I'm hoping he brings a bit of his Malcom Tucker to Doctor Who.

That stare that he gave Clara was hilarious.. both the wife and I were laughing our bums off at it... I was kinda waiting for a "Who the FETH are you!?... Wait... who the feth am I?!"

I get the impression that Capaldi will replace all swearing with angry looks.

Like so many of the Moffat series finales and specials, the character interaction has been fantastic and any monologues or epic speeches have been well performed. I have loved Matt Smith as The Doctor. However Moffat just really sucks at explaining away plot threads or unanswered questions without resorting to deus ex machina. If anything is even explained at all. This one was much the same.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more of Capaldi. I'm hoping he brings a bit of his Malcom Tucker to Doctor Who.

That stare that he gave Clara was hilarious.. both the wife and I were laughing our bums off at it... I was kinda waiting for a "Who the FETH are you!?... Wait... who the feth am I?!"

Yeah, the crazy stare is something I can see Mr Capaldi becoming very famous for very quickly.

If you want to see Malcom Tucker in Dr Who, then do a youtube search for 'Malcom Tucker+ Dr Who', there's a couple of amazing, if sweary, mashups on there that are hilariously funny.

Having watched the episode again, I liked it even more. Coleman's performance was way better than she usually was (ie she actually had character) and I think this may have been Smith's best performance, purely in terms of acting quality.

That said, I did spot one major plot hole: If they changed the future, and the Doctor never died at Trenzalore, then Simeon and Clara would never have been able to go into his timestream, and therefore the Doctor would never have met the other versions to go looking for her.

The only answer is that as she's a time traveller, she's not affected by changes in time or something handwavy like that.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

That stare that he gave Clara was hilarious.. both the wife and I were laughing our bums off at it... I was kinda waiting for a "Who the FETH are you!?... Wait... who the feth am I?!"

Me too, was expecting some "fethity" wordplay here

Corpsesarefun wrote:I get the impression that Capaldi will replace all swearing with angry looks.

Indeed, especially with 'dem eyebrows. He looks like he good be a very good "dark" doctor.

 Paradigm wrote:
That said, I did spot one major plot hole: If they changed the future, and the Doctor never died at Trenzalore, then Simeon and Clara would never have been able to go into his timestream, and therefore the Doctor would never have met the other versions to go looking for her.

The only answer is that as she's a time traveller, she's not affected by changes in time or something handwavy like that.

Welcome to Doctor Who! It's all timey-wimey.

I'm going to hold judgment on the new Doctor. However, I can say that I actually liked Matt Smith's run, and am sorry to see him go.

 pretre wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
That said, I did spot one major plot hole: If they changed the future, and the Doctor never died at Trenzalore, then Simeon and Clara would never have been able to go into his timestream, and therefore the Doctor would never have met the other versions to go looking for her.

The only answer is that as she's a time traveller, she's not affected by changes in time or something handwavy like that.

Welcome to Doctor Who! It's all timey-wimey.

Timey-wimey has unfortunately become a byword and a cop-out for bad writing in recent years, so I'm hoping we see less of it going forward. Some of it has been clever, and the line was funny the first time round in Blink, but to quote the War Doctor 'Timey-WHAT!?'. It was fine as a joke, but it shouldn't become a crutch for overly convoluted and poorly-thought-out writing.

That said, I can more that live with that plot hole, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter so long as we keep getting good adventures. To be honest, I'd like to see less of a focus on plot arcs in general (have them, but not so obviously, as in series 1-4) and just get back to good old adventuring in time and space.

 Paradigm wrote:

That said, I can more that live with that plot hole, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter so long as we keep getting good adventures. To be honest, I'd like to see less of a focus on plot arcs in general (have them, but not so obviously, as in series 1-4) and just get back to good old adventuring in time and space.

Indeed. Except for the plot arcs involving the Master, my favorite episodes have been the one-offs.