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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/11 20:23:05
Subject: Re:What are you playing right now?
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Eumerin wrote:Voss wrote:
Its doubly weird since the recorded announcements and lines of dialogue from people on the street are constantly reinforcing how devastating and ruinous the destruction of the reactor is. Its being hammered repeatedly during the walk to the train, on the train and through the slums, and the characters are so utterly indifferent, and occasionally openly bragging, that's its just weirdly dissonant.
It's justified within the game because of the damage to the planet that the reactors are doing. Bad things happen as a result of what Avalanche does. But the long-term results of allowing the mako reactors to run is even worse. When Avalanche says that it's saving the planet, it's not exaggerating. Early in the game, the player might see it as just a pro-forma environmental thing, with mako substituting for real-world oil. But later in the game (at least, in the original) it's made explicitly clear that Avalanche's claims are quite literally true.
Part of the problem is they don't seem particularly convinced of it, other than Barrett, who comes off as a loon (and a complete prick who seems more focused on treating Cloud like crap than his mission). Jessie even tries to excuse his behavior to Cloud, with a 'bear with it, for me' kind of comment, and a few shrugs and gestures when he really starts going on his crazy environmental rant about the planet screaming to him personally.
Wedge just seems to be along to make friends, and Biggs is just generally there..
Afterwards, Jessie is caught up in the technical problem of the magnitude of the explosion and how she miscalculated, and everyone else is just chatting about food runs, getting back and pretty much ignoring the consequences of their actions. So even though they are justified later on, they're presented as callous and self-absorbed.
And they're more than willing to lie to get help (Cloud is recruited with promises of money they don't have), and their normal routine is to shake down people to get money, with muscle to intimidate folks into paying (even for things that don't work). That and their refrain (both Tifa and Wedge say it) during the intro missions, 'If you don't look out for yourself, no one else will.' That isn't the line of people with a cause, that's the attitude of people looking out for themselves. They come across as petty criminals, that accidentally-on-purpose ruined a lot of lives and don't much care.
Its a weird introduction to people you're supposed to be rooting for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/11 21:10:29
Subject: Re:What are you playing right now?
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Voss wrote:
Part of the problem is they don't seem particularly convinced of it, other than Barrett, who comes off as a loon (and a complete prick who seems more focused on treating Cloud like crap than his mission). Jessie even tries to excuse his behavior to Cloud, with a 'bear with it, for me' kind of comment, and a few shrugs and gestures when he really starts going on his crazy environmental rant about the planet screaming to him personally.
Wedge just seems to be along to make friends, and Biggs is just generally there..
Afterwards, Jessie is caught up in the technical problem of the magnitude of the explosion and how she miscalculated, and everyone else is just chatting about food runs, getting back and pretty much ignoring the consequences of their actions. So even though they are justified later on, they're presented as callous and self-absorbed.
And they're more than willing to lie to get help (Cloud is recruited with promises of money they don't have), and their normal routine is to shake down people to get money, with muscle to intimidate folks into paying (even for things that don't work). That and their refrain (both Tifa and Wedge say it) during the intro missions, 'If you don't look out for yourself, no one else will.' That isn't the line of people with a cause, that's the attitude of people looking out for themselves. They come across as petty criminals, that accidentally-on-purpose ruined a lot of lives and don't much care.
Its a weird introduction to people you're supposed to be rooting for.
That sounds a lot like internet arguments.
There are people on the internet I agree with the points and broad aims of, but damn me if that isn't their sole redeeming quality, due to being about as personally likeable as repeated strikes to various sensitive regions with an array of spiked weaponry, with as much regard for other people as said spiked weaponry has for said sensitive regions.
'They were right in the end' still leaves a hell of a sour taste, especially when everything seems to assume you like them to begin with, despite being given no reason to aside from that meta element of 'these are the good guys, got it?'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/11 21:27:26
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Yeah, I think that's part of what gets me- 'They accidentally turned out to be right' just doesn't sit well.
Especially with the sheer grind of 20-30 minutes of relentless emotional bell-ringing of people affected by their actions as the player moves through the next two zones. The writers and voice actors made so much effort to make the trauma authentic that I want the team of protagonists arrested and shot as terrorists. Because they _are_ terrorists.
There's even a Shinra rep on the train who complains that in a civilized society, people have rational discussions about their differences, they don't just resort to violence. Barrett gets offended and intimidates them into shutting up.
My reaction was that the Shinra mouthpiece was absolutely correct and the protagonists have proven themselves in the wrong again. There's nothing to suggest they have actual evidence and tried to persuade people to their point of view. Barrett just 'knows' and somehow got a cult together, and they just kill people who work for the 'wrong' corporation, and if normal people have to get their lives ruined in the process, oh well.
And that's the first two hours... I'm not sure how long it takes to get to the 'oh, they're absolutely right' reveal, but that's a hard buy-in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/12 14:31:13
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Is the story totally different than the original? I played it back in the day but it’s been a while.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/12 17:15:21
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Is the story totally different than the original? I played it back in the day but it’s been a while.
For the most part, no. Then yes, very.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/12 18:31:51
Subject: Re:What are you playing right now?
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Executing Exarch
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Voss wrote:Part of the problem is they don't seem particularly convinced of it, other than Barrett, who comes off as a loon (and a complete prick who seems more focused on treating Cloud like crap than his mission). Jessie even tries to excuse his behavior to Cloud, with a 'bear with it, for me' kind of comment, and a few shrugs and gestures when he really starts going on his crazy environmental rant about the planet screaming to him personally.
Wedge just seems to be along to make friends, and Biggs is just generally there..
Afterwards, Jessie is caught up in the technical problem of the magnitude of the explosion and how she miscalculated, and everyone else is just chatting about food runs, getting back and pretty much ignoring the consequences of their actions. So even though they are justified later on, they're presented as callous and self-absorbed.
And they're more than willing to lie to get help (Cloud is recruited with promises of money they don't have), and their normal routine is to shake down people to get money, with muscle to intimidate folks into paying (even for things that don't work). That and their refrain (both Tifa and Wedge say it) during the intro missions, 'If you don't look out for yourself, no one else will.' That isn't the line of people with a cause, that's the attitude of people looking out for themselves. They come across as petty criminals, that accidentally-on-purpose ruined a lot of lives and don't much care.
Its a weird introduction to people you're supposed to be rooting for.
It's been a long time since I played the original. But this sounds different than what I recall. I do remember that they had the money to pay Cloud. He was only joining them on a mission by mission basis, and was getting paid in advance. I remember that in the original, when he gets back to Tifa's Bar, he demands his payment for the next mission, and Barret gets annoyed because the only money he's got left is money that Barrett has saved for Marlene (Tifa talks him into paying Cloud anyway).
Jessie's response makes sense. Explosives are a rather precise thing, and she has no way of knowing that President Shinra made the explosion much bigger (incidentally, I don't remember him doing this in the original).
The "look out for yourself" theme is rather ironic, imo. In the original, (the original's been out for a long time, but regardless - spoiler for anyone who hasn't played it) -
Having that sort of line come from Tifa is odd. Barrett's attitude is from the original game, though, and makes sense. As someone committed to his cause, he holds Cloud (who's only helping out as a mercenary) in contempt.
I don't remember the mini-quests between the first and second reactor raids, though, so I can't comment on some of the other items that you bring up.
There's even a Shinra rep on the train who complains that in a civilized society, people have rational discussions about their differences, they don't just resort to violence. Barrett gets offended and intimidates them into shutting up.
Barrett's originally from outside the city, and has had some run-ins with Shinra in the past. The leadership of the company doesn't discuss differences, no matter what a low-level executive might think. Barrett's past from outside the city also might be why he knows about what mako energy really is, though I don't remember for certain. I suppose one complaint at this point might be that the writers should be doing a better job showing some of the problems with Shinra, instead of saving them for later. In the original, we get a little of that when Aeris is properly introduced (and Shinra goons attempt to kidnap her). There's also a hint of that when President Shinra makes the Reactor One explosion much bigger than it would have been. But (having only played the demo), it sounds as if the writers should have put more emphasis on this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/12 20:41:10
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Eumerin wrote:It's been a long time since I played the original. But this sounds different than what I recall. I do remember that they had the money to pay Cloud. He was only joining them on a mission by mission basis, and was getting paid in advance. I remember that in the original, when he gets back to Tifa's Bar, he demands his payment for the next mission, and Barret gets annoyed because the only money he's got left is money that Barrett has saved for Marlene (Tifa talks him into paying Cloud anyway).
That isn't the case here. He asks about 5-6 times about his money and gets non-answers, then she leads him to his apartment and admits they've only got 500 of the 2000 she promised.
Jessie's response makes sense. Explosives are a rather precise thing, and she has no way of knowing that President Shinra made the explosion much bigger (incidentally, I don't remember him doing this in the original).
That isn't what I mean. Her response is focused on what she did wrong, and that's fine as far as it goes. But she made the bomb and (as far as she knows) caused a bigger explosion that killed an unknown number of innocent people, and made life more difficult for the people living around her in the slums (not just Shinra flunkies, many people in the slums talk about how they don't have jobs now, will have to find new places to live, etc).
For a young, idealistic 20-something, the idea that her reaction upon finding out that she killed a bunch of people is 'well, darn it, did I put in too much fantasy c4? Maybe if I doodle the thingamajig next time' and not 'Oh, no, what have I done! All this death!' is pretty immersion breaking.
Except for Barrett, none of them come across as hardened killers, so their indifference to a mass killing that (as far as they know) they're responsible for is bafflingly callous.
I suppose one complaint at this point might be that the writers should be doing a better job showing some of the problems with Shinra, instead of saving them for later....There's also a hint of that when President Shinra makes the Reactor One explosion much bigger than it would have been. But (having only played the demo), it sounds as if the writers should have put more emphasis on this.
I think that's definitely true. Even the insert with the evil boss and flunky doesn't help as much as it could, since it places personal responsibility on the evil boss, not the company. For all the viewer knows, he could have suborned something legit.
And it (ironically) doesn't help that the flyover introduction to Midgar is absolutely beautiful. The game is astonishingly pretty, which jars poorly with the idea that the place is dying.
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Part of the problem is this is a common thing I find in a lot of JRPGs, but especially the FF series. The games often don't bother to explain things that the characters know but the players don't, so their motives are often a confusing mystery (especially if they suddenly vanish on a side-quest, or reverse course based on little more than a grunt and a nod.
It dodges CinemaSins exposition problems where people introduce their siblings by relationships and over-explain their pre-existing problems, but it often leads a bizarre setup of either inference or secondary material being required to get even the basic picture of what's going on, and why people are doing the crazy stuff they do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/12 20:52:23
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Voss wrote:
Sadly, its mostly surface.
The galactic forum is a mess. The AI is absurdly weighted to pass anything that increases their diplomatic weight, so by and large they auto-pass everything in the early to mid game, with maybe 1-3 abstentions or votes against.
I've been playing and I have to second this.
The whole intergalactic diplomacy thing is a mess. Many of the options (outside the galactic market) don't seem to matter much and the enforcement of the 'laws' produces bizarre results. Case and point, the galaxy put sanctions on me because of my native interference policy. I had it set to allowed and apparently they demanded it be 'unrestricted.'
That's fething stupid. Why the hell am I going to be sanctioned for doing less than the law allows me to do? There's another one where the galaxy will sanction you for using less than 50% of your naval capacity... Just, wtf? Why? The logic behind many of these policies makes zero senses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/12 22:02:05
Subject: Re:What are you playing right now?
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Eumerin wrote: Barrett's originally from outside the city, and has had some run-ins with Shinra in the past. The leadership of the company doesn't discuss differences, no matter what a low-level executive might think. Barrett's past from outside the city also might be why he knows about what mako energy really is, though I don't remember for certain. The remake I think does a great job with Barrett. It sets up that he has studied planetology (the FF7 universes science of studying the life cycles of planets such as the lifestream etc.) much earlier than the original did where we only find out about it really when we get to Cosmo Canyon (and he mentions that he was going to bring Biggs, Wedge and Jessie out there at some point in the future). So it helps make him seem like a radical but intelligent revolutionary more than the original where he can come across as a bit of an idiot. He is still quite impulsive (confronting the Shinra workers on the train, proposing a full frontal assault through the main entrance of Shinra HQ etc.) but he does come across as really believing in his cause and that belief not being based in propaganda. Automatically Appended Next Post: Voss wrote: For a young, idealistic 20-something, the idea that her reaction upon finding out that she killed a bunch of people is 'well, darn it, did I put in too much fantasy c4? Maybe if I doodle the thingamajig next time' and not 'Oh, no, what have I done! All this death!' is pretty immersion breaking. While I can understand that potentially being her reaction (basically throwing herself into her work for the next mission to avoid having to think about what she did), I do think that they didn't do a great job of it if that is what they were going for. Contrast it with the original where we see her in the hideout watching the news reports of the bombing, facing the destruction she caused and questioning whether that was all her bomb and that she must have miscalculated.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/12 23:04:21
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Lego Jurassic world.
Something about just the low key relaxing easiness of it speaks to me right now, the jokes are not belly laugh levels, but they put a smile on me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/12 23:33:28
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Executing Exarch
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LordofHats wrote:There's another one where the galaxy will sanction you for using less than 50% of your naval capacity... Just, wtf? Why? The logic behind many of these policies makes zero senses.
I can actually see the logic behind this one. You're not fulfilling your portion of the shared military burden. In the real world, NATO has always had an issue with this, as the bulk of the nations don't (and historically have never) paid the required two percent of GDP on their individual militaries, as required by the NATO charter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/13 00:27:03
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Terrifying Doombull
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Eumerin wrote: LordofHats wrote:There's another one where the galaxy will sanction you for using less than 50% of your naval capacity... Just, wtf? Why? The logic behind many of these policies makes zero senses.
I can actually see the logic behind this one. You're not fulfilling your portion of the shared military burden. In the real world, NATO has always had an issue with this, as the bulk of the nations don't (and historically have never) paid the required two percent of GDP on their individual militaries, as required by the NATO charter.
Its not a shared military burden though. This is for the galactic forum (Space UN) not a particular federation you actually happen to be in (Space NATO).
The Blorg on the other side of the galaxy have no reason to know or care if you're keeping a large fleet around, just because you both vote on meaningless crap every X years
It also doesn't account for anything that actually matters. You can avoid this particular penalty by never raising your fleet cap and just building 10 starting corvettes with outdated tech that cost basically nothing or you can have 50 top-of-the-line battleships that can run over the rest of the galaxy, and the game counts them as fulfilling this policy despite the gross difference between having 10/20 cap and 400/800 cap.
If you've been raising your cap regularly, and upgrading your ships, the economic cost of meeting this policy can break your economy. Though given how long it takes to happen, by the time it comes up, you probably won't even notice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/13 10:34:38
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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I've been playing lots of Persona 5 Royal and Animal Crossing with my wife.
The single shared switch on a single TV is proving to be a problem. My wife keeps hogging the TV to play animal crossing and then the rest of us can't even watch netflix or something.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/13 13:36:47
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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P5 Royal here as well - interesting the changes there vs the original (platinum'ed that recovering from major surgery a while back) and its such a good game especially if you have lots of time on your hands.
Also have the FFVII Remake - though I knew the story of the original I never really played it so don't have much to compare to. I will agree with some of the discussion above that the tone is a bit weird - like everyone in the crew is so happy and spirited (go team Avalanche!) while what you are doing seems pretty gritty (blowing stuff up killin lots of folks) but I am quite early in the game. I will say at times it is flat out beautiful to look at, especially the main crew character models. Side characters and some background stuff look a bit rushed - like what is it wit the super low quality background textures in some spots?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/13 16:41:48
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Calculating Commissar
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Back to xcom 2 I guess. I've gotten to the point in every legend ironman campaign if I get to the end game it gets very boring so I have to restart. Sometimes it's nice to have a bit of a breather but it's not as exciting anymore when every choice isn't as impactful.
So yeah I'm on a fairly new campaign right now. Things seem to be going decently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/13 16:59:15
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Voss wrote:
Part of the problem is this is a common thing I find in a lot of JRPGs, but especially the FF series. The games often don't bother to explain things that the characters know but the players don't, so their motives are often a confusing mystery (especially if they suddenly vanish on a side-quest, or reverse course based on little more than a grunt and a nod.
It dodges CinemaSins exposition problems where people introduce their siblings by relationships and over-explain their pre-existing problems, but it often leads a bizarre setup of either inference or secondary material being required to get even the basic picture of what's going on, and why people are doing the crazy stuff they do.
A lot of that comes down to translation, particularly in the older games where they had to try and cram the script into essentially half the text space.
That said, I'm no expert on 7. I enjoyed it, but I've never clicked with Cloud as a protagonist enough to rank it among the best in the series. As I recall, the big justification from the player perspective for Avalanche was just the impression that Shinra wasn't realliy making life better for much of the city and the people below the plate were just as abused as the planet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/13 20:12:31
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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Playing Sonic Smackdown, a fanmade, Sonic fight game. Pretty good, the graphics are tight! Yeah, yeah yeah!
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My story! Secret War
After his organisation is hired to hunt down an influential gang leader on the Hive world, Omnartus. Attelus Kaltos is embroiled deeper into the complex world of the Assassin. This is the job which will change him, for better or for worse. Forevermore. Chapter 1.
The Angaran Chronicles: Hamar Noir. After coming back from a dangerous mission which left his friend and partner, the werewolf: Emilia in a coma. Anargrin is sent on another mission: to hunt down a rogue vampire. A rogue vampire with no consistent modus operandi and who is exceedingly good at hiding its tracks. So much so even the veteran Anargrin is forced into desperate speculation. But worst of all: drive him into desperate measures. Measures which drives Anargrin to wonder; does the ends, justify the means?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/13 20:57:40
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Voss wrote:Eumerin wrote: LordofHats wrote:There's another one where the galaxy will sanction you for using less than 50% of your naval capacity... Just, wtf? Why? The logic behind many of these policies makes zero senses.
I can actually see the logic behind this one. You're not fulfilling your portion of the shared military burden. In the real world, NATO has always had an issue with this, as the bulk of the nations don't (and historically have never) paid the required two percent of GDP on their individual militaries, as required by the NATO charter.
Its not a shared military burden though. This is for the galactic forum (Space UN) not a particular federation you actually happen to be in (Space NATO).
The Blorg on the other side of the galaxy have no reason to know or care if you're keeping a large fleet around, just because you both vote on meaningless crap every X years
It also doesn't account for anything that actually matters. You can avoid this particular penalty by never raising your fleet cap and just building 10 starting corvettes with outdated tech that cost basically nothing or you can have 50 top-of-the-line battleships that can run over the rest of the galaxy, and the game counts them as fulfilling this policy despite the gross difference between having 10/20 cap and 400/800 cap.
If you've been raising your cap regularly, and upgrading your ships, the economic cost of meeting this policy can break your economy. Though given how long it takes to happen, by the time it comes up, you probably won't even notice.
This is a really weird one. It seems to enforce building up a fleet for when the mid and late game crisis events happen. But then why? The AI shouldn't know these events are going to come up and threaten the galaxy, at that point nothing has happened to warrant a big fleet. The GC doesn't force anyone to band together against warmongers either, so this just feels like pointless busywork to handicap the player somewhat to help the AI out who do just build massive fleets at all times.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/13 23:13:39
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I'm trying to finish a Hard campaign with Tyrion, and decided to tackle Bretonnia on my road to retaking the Elven colonies they were built on. I gotta say that it's a pretty tiring experience when the AI has so many upkeep cheats and can create 5 full stacks as soon as I defeat them. Also playing Wizard of Legend. That is the Avatar the last Airbender game that I always wanted to play. it's amazing!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 02:51:24
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Calculating Commissar
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Tiger9gamer wrote:I'm trying to finish a Hard campaign with Tyrion, and decided to tackle Bretonnia on my road to retaking the Elven colonies they were built on. I gotta say that it's a pretty tiring experience when the AI has so many upkeep cheats and can create 5 full stacks as soon as I defeat them.
Also playing Wizard of Legend. That is the Avatar the last Airbender game that I always wanted to play. it's amazing!
I hate cheating ai in strategy games. You'd think if elon musk says ai will be as smart as humans in 20 years that it wouldn't need so many cheats in every game it's in just to be a challenge. Of course maybe programmers are just lazy and elon musk meant only top of the line ai or elon is full of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 04:25:43
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flamingkillamajig wrote: I hate cheating ai in strategy games. You'd think if elon musk says ai will be as smart as humans in 20 years that it wouldn't need so many cheats in every game it's in just to be a challenge Of course maybe programmers are just lazy and elon musk meant only top of the line ai or elon is full of it.
All of the above!
But honestly, late game TW makes it really easy to rebuild spam multiple armies, AI or player.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 05:38:55
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Disciple of Fate wrote:
This is a really weird one. It seems to enforce building up a fleet for when the mid and late game crisis events happen. But then why? The AI shouldn't know these events are going to come up and threaten the galaxy, at that point nothing has happened to warrant a big fleet. The GC doesn't force anyone to band together against warmongers either, so this just feels like pointless busywork to handicap the player somewhat to help the AI out who do just build massive fleets at all times.
I would say it's more of a very poorly thought out mechanic intended to give diplomatic civilizations an means of exercising power outside of military force. And if you happen to be one of those civilizations, I imagine playing the forums with favors and diplomatic weight can be an interesting thing to do. I can kind of see it as a means of letting 'federation builder' play styles have a means of influencing the galaxy thematically.
For literally anyone else though, it's a worthless mechanic that imo is mostly in the way and impossible to manage. So many of the 'laws' that get passed result in bizarre things, like the AIs of the galaxy deciding everyone needs to pitch in to defend it from nothing, or everyone deciding that native interference must be unrestricted for everyone or sanctions. The AI's generally make random choices as far as I can tell. Hive Minds and Machine Races having no economic ability honestly have zero reason to join it. It's impossible to have enough weight to influence votes anyway and neither of those races really plays the diplomatic game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 06:41:43
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Calculating Commissar
pontiac, michigan; usa
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Voss wrote: flamingkillamajig wrote: I hate cheating ai in strategy games. You'd think if elon musk says ai will be as smart as humans in 20 years that it wouldn't need so many cheats in every game it's in just to be a challenge Of course maybe programmers are just lazy and elon musk meant only top of the line ai or elon is full of it.
All of the above!
But honestly, late game TW makes it really easy to rebuild spam multiple armies, AI or player.
I feel like i should play as empire again. I definitely haven't played them since they introduced the elector count system. The reason I want to play them though is that ungodly amazing gun-line esp. Helstorm rocket batteries.
My xcom 2 game seems to be going well. I still might need at least one more scientist and another engineer but I don't know if that is in the cards for me to get right now. I could potentially get another engineer or two but more scientists might speed things up. That said given all the Intel and data caches I have perhaps getting at least 2 more engineers will be easy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 08:25:18
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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flamingkillamajig wrote: Tiger9gamer wrote:I'm trying to finish a Hard campaign with Tyrion, and decided to tackle Bretonnia on my road to retaking the Elven colonies they were built on. I gotta say that it's a pretty tiring experience when the AI has so many upkeep cheats and can create 5 full stacks as soon as I defeat them.
Also playing Wizard of Legend. That is the Avatar the last Airbender game that I always wanted to play. it's amazing!
I hate cheating ai in strategy games. You'd think if elon musk says ai will be as smart as humans in 20 years that it wouldn't need so many cheats in every game it's in just to be a challenge. Of course maybe programmers are just lazy and elon musk meant only top of the line ai or elon is full of it.
<just siege them, get archers, sisters preferably and some arty. Shoot a tower or two, waste the general ammo of the enemy with a char then use the sisters to wipe the board clear.
> Automatically Appended Next Post: flamingkillamajig wrote: Tiger9gamer wrote:I'm trying to finish a Hard campaign with Tyrion, and decided to tackle Bretonnia on my road to retaking the Elven colonies they were built on. I gotta say that it's a pretty tiring experience when the AI has so many upkeep cheats and can create 5 full stacks as soon as I defeat them.
Also playing Wizard of Legend. That is the Avatar the last Airbender game that I always wanted to play. it's amazing!
I hate cheating ai in strategy games. You'd think if elon musk says ai will be as smart as humans in 20 years that it wouldn't need so many cheats in every game it's in just to be a challenge. Of course maybe programmers are just lazy and elon musk meant only top of the line ai or elon is full of it.
the issue is that it is easier to give the AI cheats then to programm a functional diffrenting AI. Which is also one of the reasons why the AI allways struggled in sieges, regardless if attacker or defender and why WHTW sieges have been so much simplified.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 09:14:27
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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Playing Sonic Mania, now. Feel like a kid again during my utter obsession towards Sonic the Hedgehog. But by the Emperor, the game can get frustrating as frig! (Taking a bit of a break writing my 40k fanfic Secret War: Upon Blood Sands so doing some gaming)
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"The best way to lie is to tell the truth." Attelus Kaltos.
My story! Secret War
After his organisation is hired to hunt down an influential gang leader on the Hive world, Omnartus. Attelus Kaltos is embroiled deeper into the complex world of the Assassin. This is the job which will change him, for better or for worse. Forevermore. Chapter 1.
The Angaran Chronicles: Hamar Noir. After coming back from a dangerous mission which left his friend and partner, the werewolf: Emilia in a coma. Anargrin is sent on another mission: to hunt down a rogue vampire. A rogue vampire with no consistent modus operandi and who is exceedingly good at hiding its tracks. So much so even the veteran Anargrin is forced into desperate speculation. But worst of all: drive him into desperate measures. Measures which drives Anargrin to wonder; does the ends, justify the means?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 19:13:16
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Terrifying Doombull
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So... Anyone diving into the Steam release of Fallout 76 and/or the release of Wastelanders, actual NPCs and junk, or have they burned too many bridges with this one?
I might've if it had come with single player and offline, but...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 19:52:57
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Voss wrote:So... Anyone diving into the Steam release of Fallout 76 and/or the release of Wastelanders, actual NPCs and junk, or have they burned too many bridges with this one?
I might've if it had come with single player and offline, but...
i played with the thought off it, beeing a massive fallout fan, however seeing as Bethesda never managed to get the feel of postapocalypse as the OG team did, aka rebuilding and rubble not just rubble and mud hutts, aswell as the rather Lackluster story of bethesda fallouts, i decided against it.
Beeing sad that is all without the P2W mechanics artificial problemsolvers in the game or paid mods.
So no.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 20:31:20
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Voss wrote:So... Anyone diving into the Steam release of Fallout 76 and/or the release of Wastelanders, actual NPCs and junk, or have they burned too many bridges with this one?
I might've if it had come with single player and offline, but...
I might, when it is reduced down to a fiver. Any more than that and it is too much of a risk. With how much of a mess it has been, with pretty much every update they made breaking it in some new way (they didn't even adequately test their premium subscription benefits, for goodness sake), it'll need to be very cheap and probably abandoned by them in terms of updates or patches before I try it out
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/14 21:03:19
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Sureshot Kroot Hunter
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TWW2 - Starting a new white dwarf campaign since I beat the dwarf campaign before the new DLCs and much larger map.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/04/15 02:28:10
Subject: What are you playing right now?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Voss wrote:So... Anyone diving into the Steam release of Fallout 76 and/or the release of Wastelanders, actual NPCs and junk, or have they burned too many bridges with this one?
I might've if it had come with single player and offline, but...
That games just seems like a dumpster fire, and with how many problems they had with hackers, pay 2 win and bad pr i’m Worried my computer will get nuked if I try to install it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: flamingkillamajig wrote: Tiger9gamer wrote:I'm trying to finish a Hard campaign with Tyrion, and decided to tackle Bretonnia on my road to retaking the Elven colonies they were built on. I gotta say that it's a pretty tiring experience when the AI has so many upkeep cheats and can create 5 full stacks as soon as I defeat them.
Also playing Wizard of Legend. That is the Avatar the last Airbender game that I always wanted to play. it's amazing!
I hate cheating ai in strategy games. You'd think if elon musk says ai will be as smart as humans in 20 years that it wouldn't need so many cheats in every game it's in just to be a challenge. Of course maybe programmers are just lazy and elon musk meant only top of the line ai or elon is full of it.
I mean, I turned off cheating for AI and I’m still getting swarmed by armies. Right now got teclis in a confederation and the twins are scouring the crusader states while my northern armies start to eye up marienburg...
And apparently the empire got wiped out by a different faction of the empire, which is weird in my opinion. I kinda miss the proving grounds, just because it was less crazy than vanilla is right now.
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413th Lucius Exterminaton Legion- 4,000pts
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