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I think it might be the same thing with the older Deus Ex games. I got the first or second one in a "buy everything company x makes and sells on steam, sure you won't play most of them but then again they're almost free at this point...etc" bundles. I realize that it was supposed to be revolutionary for it's time, but I just have trouble going back and getting wowed. All of the stuff it may or may not have come up with, has been in games since then for years. I'm not knocking anyone's cherished memories or positive nostalgia factories, I honestly wish I had been there for it. I usually miss such boats, like when a game first comes out and there's a lot of multiplayer going on? Or I'll do a beta and it'll suck so I'll stop signing up and then I'll miss out on the beta for something I'd really like to have been in on from the ground level.

I remember the old PC Oregon trail... now there's a game that wasn't half afraid to kill you (and your entire family!) to death! Part of why I like FTL, in many ways it is the spiritual successor of Oregon trail, oregon trail in space... Orion Trail... There we go.

Oh well, picked up the "everything we made for the first dragons age game" game when it was on steam sale. Figure it's worth a shot. After I get done being annoyed at having to retrieve my password for origin to log into an account to handle DRM to play a game that I've already voluntarily DRMed for them by getting it on steam in the first friggen place, I will see if that's any fun.

Still waiting semi-patiently for BG2:EE around xmastime. There's my nostalgia factory right there.

I very much agree that it was a time and place thing. I can go back and enjoy games I played as a kid; Fallout, XCOM, Baldur's Gate, et cetera. But new games with crap graphics and poor controls aren't going to draw me in in the same way. Like Wasteland with the same inventory system as Fallout would just bug me.

It was the freedom of choice and the awesome wit/style/humor that really defined the games and were the necessary foundations for a new iteration which many fans of the originals found lacking in 3.

Imagine a talented musician who happened to play an amazing improvised composition - that was Fallout 1 and 2. Then a technically brilliant musician played a composition based on that but without the same spirit and soul - that was Fallout 3. New Vegas is a little more complex and open to interpretation.

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Don't mean to interrupt, but that made me literally laugh out loud. I'm stealing that.

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To be fair, I grew up with the old ones. IMO bethesda completely failed in capturing the originals atmosphere, the bug laden crapfest didn't help.

New Vegas was a little closer than 3 but you are right its just not the same. Much of the character of the games has been lost.


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I think it might be the same thing with the older Deus Ex games. I got the first or second one in a "buy everything company x makes and sells on steam, sure you won't play most of them but then again they're almost free at this point...etc" bundles. I realize that it was supposed to be revolutionary for it's time, but I just have trouble going back and getting wowed. All of the stuff it may or may not have come up with, has been in games since then for years. I'm not knocking anyone's cherished memories or positive nostalgia factories, I honestly wish I had been there for it. I usually miss such boats, like when a game first comes out and there's a lot of multiplayer going on? Or I'll do a beta and it'll suck so I'll stop signing up and then I'll miss out on the beta for something I'd really like to have been in on from the ground level.


Oh well, picked up the "everything we made for the first dragons age game" game when it was on steam sale. Figure it's worth a shot. After I get done being annoyed at having to retrieve my password for origin to log into an account to handle DRM to play a game that I've already voluntarily DRMed for them by getting it on steam in the first friggen place, I will see if that's any fun.
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Nostalga does help somewhat. Sometimes its hard to go back to an older game however classic it is if you haven't played it at least once before.

Dragon Age Origins is a cracking game. Sadly my hard drive corrupted when I was 5 mins away from the final boss so I am staying away from it for a while.

There are several games I've never beaten due to similar apathy. Friend moved away with half of my xenogears and I never finished it even though I was close, etc.

Dragons age has been interesting for the first hour I've played it. We'll see how it goes.

I liked some of the gameplay features of new Vegas.. but I think I preferred the capital wasteland as a setting. Same with sky rim, would love to play oblivion with the engine and features of skyrim, though the custom spell bit was fun.

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There are several games I've never beaten due to similar apathy. Friend moved away with half of my xenogears and I never finished it even though I was close, etc.

Dragons age has been interesting for the first hour I've played it. We'll see how it goes.

I liked some of the gameplay features of new Vegas.. but I think I preferred the capital wasteland as a setting. Same with sky rim, would love to play oblivion with the engine and features of skyrim, though the custom spell bit was fun.

If they remade Daggerfall with a modern interface and graphics, it would be the best game ever.

Nah- Daggerfall was too big. Watered the story and character down too much. Morrowind, I think, was the Magnum Opus (at least for now) of the Elder Scrolls series. Still a massive landscape, but small enough that you could eventually just travel across it on foot- so you got more of the experience of actually being there (instead of a loading screen and 'boop!' you're there! that fast travel is). Heck, even the fast travel was immersive, as it was either teleports, or ferries, or silt striders!

It was a unique environment and setting- the Roman and WRPG-esque buildings and mannerisms of the Imperials, just plopped down among giant mushrooms and ash dunes... The environments varied naturally but extremely- you actually felt like you were in humid swamplands down near Ebonheart, and the snowy wastes of Solstheim up north were chillingly cold.

Everyone had a backstory. A name. A home. An opinion on you and what was going on around them. The random quests you'd stumble on, the way the Main Quest worked to introduce you to side-quest options without forcing you to go there...

It didn't hold your hand at all. If you ventured into the Ash Wastes at level 1, your pixels were pancaked by an Astorath or Winged Twilight before you knew what was happening. Even the rats were difficult at the start! And the Cliff Racers... Any game that can make you actually HATE one of the made up in world digital animal species is a game that deserves more than Morrowind got.

And the utter, complete freedom. There were no scripted events. There was no required quests or guilds. If you wanted to, you could get off the boat at Seyda Neen and spend the rest of your gameplay time as a beggar stealing bread from people's houses and stowing it in caves. The spells you bought were more like, suggestions, than guides to actual spellmaking- I made a spell that was Touch Targeted electric damage for 5 points in 50 Yards of my target. It didn't do bupkiss to kill things, but if I wanted to piss off the entire population of a small village, by golly I could. You could combine Restoration effects on self with Destruction effects on target. You could enchant everything you wore with Target or Touch or Activate spells- you could put Constant Effect spells on weapons, or make a bow that summoned a better bow, or...

Well, *ahem*, you get the picture.

Morrowind, updated, with physics-based weapon-play, would be best.

You should look up Skywind if you haven't already, I think its just aesthetics right now but it seems to be related to your dream game.

So I downloaded a Translated Rom of Shin Megami Tensei (translated to Digital Devil Story, which is a precursor of sorts to the Persona series). Now coming from a RPG background like Fallout 1&2 and Deus Ex, I am used to a game like that giving me free reign how to play or how to go about it.

But wow, they just throw you into the thick of things with as very little information or goal as possible (even less than Fallout or Deus Ex). Not that I mind, I am enjoying the game so far, although random encounters popping every inch or so can get annoying (a gripe of mine with JRPGS)....

I seen Skywind. Was actually considering lending my voice to their voiceovers. Thing is, I HATE fully voiced RPGs. I read about 5 or 6 times faster than anyone in these things speaks, it's annoying to read the subtitles and keep skipping through the voice files, and there's NEVER as much information, exposition, or as many conversation options in voiced games as there are in ones that just have written screens. That, actually, is probably what most killed my immersion in Oblivion and Skyrim, ironically. I'd rather read through the 10 paragraphs of unique, nuanced dialogue and imagine a voice based on a snippet of greeting than wait for the 5th Orc with the same frikkin voice to tell me the name of the mine I'm in, and nothing else.

speaking of japan, i'm currently playing through Fire Emblem, the new one for the 3ds
lot of fun, i like that i can actually train in this one

Trying out Blood Bowl.

Downloaded Neverwinter Shadowmantle, will be giving it a go

Does anyone know when starbound is out.

I have been playing the Wolf Among Us (Fantastic) and the GF has been glued to skyrim.

Starbound isn't out already? Lemme check steam, I'm sure I can buy it... I'll just verify that it isn't pre-play beta or something.


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Ahh, yeah it's early access. So like wave 1 beta. But you can buy AND play it now. Not at 100% functionality though, so maybe you already knew that and actually wanted the release date. If that's the case, whoops sorry.

I didnt realise, thanks mate.

Its even cheaper from the developers website.

Cheaper how? Looks like $15, although they do seem to toss you the soundtrack under that on the website, believe that costs $5 on steam. Something else I missed? I am a cheapskate so it's good to know these things

$15 dollars translates to roughly £9.50 gbp. The game is £11.99 on steam or $15 dollars on the website.

Ooooh, I've got blinders on for foreign currency, thanks for the explanation

Still playing Dishonored...but I'm having trouble keeping my attention on it. It's alright, definitely worth the $10 I spent.

I loved dishonoured when it came out. Tried playing it again recently for the DLC and couldn't get into it.

Darksiders 2, i quite enjoyed the first game, especially after you bought a few extra moves instead of just mashing the X button and the puzzles were surprisingly involved. This game is equally enjoyable but i actually feel the combat has gone too deep this time.

Although the Overall difficulty of the game is fairly low and i enjoy the combat on the whole, i find it hard to feel empowered. Death always seems to take hits during fights and the counter attack mechanic requires the timing and reactions of a master magician, as far as i recall landing a counter in Ninja Gaiden 2 was difficult but not this difficult. Also using the launcher and juggling an enemy almost always means anybody on the ground can get a free hit when you land, unless you get lucky with the splash damage of the downswing.

I also feel the camera is a little flakey in addition to Death's ability to hit targets outside of Lock-on. The game seems to want you to lock on; You gain access to some of the more powerful moves and get unlimited dodges (If you spam dodges outside of lock-on Death falters for a second or two after the third or fourth in a row). However Lock-on leaves you completely open to attacks from the peripheries and does weird things to the movement/camera controls.

Something that is surprisingly satisfying is the platforming. Although it is similar to the sticky ledges of, say, Uncharted it does feel more involved. In the Uncharted series i found that if i just mashed the jump button i could get through most of the traversal segments. in DS2 Death will often do things you don't want him to if you mash A (like wall-run into a pit or wall-jump into lava), so you have to be far more methodical.

Trying to get better at super street fighter 4. Could really do with a training buddy.

I play on PC and someone from EU would obviously be preferable for latency reasons.

Though I am considering picking it up for 360 as well.

Been playing the new Tomb Raider, and as someone that disliked pretty much every offering of that series since its inception, this game has been almost a thousand times better. My only concerns were a few life or death quick time events (which I think are fairly stupid to begin with), the really well done survivalist aspect of the game that has no bearing on you once you get going, and a strange jump in difficulty at about the halfway point of the game. This game is really cool though. I've been borrowing it from a buddy, but I may go out and buy it just so I can do the extras of the game.

Also, since Borderlands 2 is free for PS+ members atm, I downloaded that and I've been playing it with a buddy of mine. I'm beginning to think the only way I'll enjoy that series is if I don't pay for the game and if I have people to consistently play with.

I started playing Rainbow Six: Vegas. Well, it was alright. Glad it was a free download through my XBL Gold membership

And speaking of XBL, their game store has been having some great deals on games lately. I bought Beyond Good and Evil HD for less than $3. Pretty pumped to get that deal.

I could never get into Fallout 3; started playing it a few times but was never able to stick with it like I could do with Skyrim. But on Thursday I got Fallout: New Vegas and man, I'm hooked! I think the thing that mostly put me off 3 was the pseudo-50's style, and while it's still prevalent in New Vegas it just seems more toned down and I find I'm able to enjoy it more.

LoZ: A Link Between Worlds. No idea why he has that mask in his house.

That's interesting Tibbsy, I actually don't care as much for the style of new vegas (but I do like the more people sometimes). Much as I would rather play Oblivion with Skyrim's engine, I'd like to play fallout3 with the improvements made by new vegas... weapon mods and all of that. I'm allergic to cowboys and western stuff for some reason

Bought Dragon Age II for 7€, love it. Got all DLCs.

Currently playing Star Wars Battlefront II Extreme Mod. 'in awesome.