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What kind of rule changes does Achilles have?

Both Briscards and Scots Guards are linkable in teams of 5 guys in their sectorials although they have AVA 2 for the general list. I think the most* logical thing for CB would be doing boxes of 4 for both, as is now usual.

Personally I think that actually the most logical thing to do would be making multipart plastic kits of 5 minis, but that will never happen :(

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
What kind of rule changes does Achilles have?

It's very subtle, his armour has been reduced from 6 to 5 and his price has been dropped 1 or 2 points, depending on his equipment.

I think the Briscard box is definitely logical, given that you could have them as a box of 4 with Marksman Rifles and then release the other two options as blisters--which is supposedly the goal they're striving for now isn't it?

I don't know. Briscards have 3 different weapons. Scots Guards have 4. For Briscards the box might include two options, and let out a third, be it the HRL or the sniper rifle. I think the sniper is more likely to be made on a blister. And for the Scots, I'd say the Molotok is the one more suitable for a blister. But what do I know...

I think the HRL is more likely as a blister pack, to be honest with you.

It's so different and useful that it just seems more likely than the sniper rifle, which if they do in such a way that it looks awesome enough...people aren't going to be upset about it being included in the box.

Plus, it can always be easily converted to a Marksman Rifle!

Well, you have a point there xD

I've already started thinking of a kind of "fun" Briscard list involving a HRL, Forward Observer, and a Traktor Mul/Dozer combo.

Mwhahaha!

That can be nasty. It's good that while Scots Guards have some limitations to their link teams (i.e. they can't link option equipped with cammo), Briscards don't seem to have any limit, 5 as you like it. Merovingia definitely can use that punch, given their lack of AP ammo and that kind of aids.

Plus...

FO all the Katuysha!

Yeah, that's part of the punch I meant, a couple of FOs and HRLs with a basic guy, bonuses and templates everywhere...

Ahem...

Fire all zee missiles!

Anything on the Caliban yet? I just got my alien ass handed to me yet again. We did the Prisoner 09 and the lack of specialists really hurt me. My only infiltrator options are Shrouded and Malignos hackers. Both expensive. My AD troop is stuck in a flipping seed pod for the first turn and can't be a hacker or engineer. My only engineer is the Obsidian who is obvious and AVA1. So by second turn I lost all my specialists and couldn't get the prisoner at all!

All you need to do is jump back a few pages, CDK Basically, Caliban starts as a seed. You can have him start out as normal for extra points. If you don't, you can give him Inferior Infiltration for extra points. You can also make him an engineer. He can have a Feuerbach. He's got MOV 4-2, ARM 2. He's got an automedikit. Costs between 20 - 30 points. AVA 5 in sectorial. I think he's linkable.

Thanks for the Achilles update info. Seems very reasonable, on balance. He'll still be powerful, but no longer quite so OTT!

 Erasoketa wrote:

Personally I think that actually the most logical thing to do would be making multipart plastic kits of 5 minis, but that will never happen :(

And in my opinion its for the best.

Besides CB wanting to keep production in house which is quite sensible, the machinery costs and they do not have the experience with it, so as an investment it will be quite costly.
moreover and more importantly, plastic would never give the quality or the fluidity of CB sculpts, look at the recent Malifaux plastic sculpts, I will admit I do not get why they did the move, but the drop in quality in my eyes is quite drastic, even GW's new kits were they finally attempted elegant female forms in plastic with separate fingers and other such details, fall short in the organic forms, nothing to do with GW or their sculpts, its all about undercuts.

Yeah I'd be really hesitant about a line of plastic minis. One of the biggest selling points for Infinity is the level of detail on even the most basic line infantry - I can't think of another company that manages to be so consistent with its quality.

Plastic has improved a hell of a lot over the years, but it still requires compromises on behalf of the sculptor and also the casting process. I also think with the non-heroic scale of the miniatures the negatives of plastic would also be more evident. For the scale of the forces you have to collect for this game (very small), I would rather they kept them in metal and pay an extra couple of pounds per model to be honest!

Yes, I understand your point and I've read it from CB too. I was just talking since my perspective as a gamer and plastic fan. I don't know much about Malifaux, my "standard" for good plastics is GW (Space Hulk, IoB, DE range, Dark Elves Cold Ones, Marauder horsemen... I love that kits). Metal would be my 2nd favourite material.

 The CF wrote:
All you need to do is jump back a few pages, CDK Basically, Caliban starts as a seed. You can have him start out as normal for extra points. If you don't, you can give him Inferior Infiltration for extra points. You can also make him an engineer. He can have a Feuerbach. He's got MOV 4-2, ARM 2. He's got an automedikit. Costs between 20 - 30 points. AVA 5 in sectoral. I think he's linkable.

Thanks CF! I looked for it and didn't see anything.

Could be good. I certainly would NOT do the seed pod if I can help it. Hate it! I now need the engineer and don't have access to the Morat and the Obsidian is meh. Automedkit is okay. It can only be used in active turn. I wish they'd be cheaper though. Seed soldiers suck for being the cheapest figure.

Feuerbach sounds good. I'm hurting for firepower sometimes too.

You know what I think would make sense for Shasvastii? Mechanized Deployment. I think those seed pods could count as that!

CB and Red Box Games have convinced me of the superiority of monopose metals and resins over multi-part plastics. Sure, multi-part plastics are easier to assemble and convert. But they encourage a kind of laziness in the designer.

Look at CB's and RBG's figures, and you see human-like bodies in natural-looking motion, most of the time carrying weapons that appear to have weight. The whole piece works as a coherent whole because it was designed as a coherent whole by someone who presumably has taken the time to study how humans look when moving.

In contrast, take a look at any of GW's multipart plastics and you'll usually see something very different. You'll usually see figures that look lifeless and unnatural, like bad CGI models . They don't have a realistic sense of motion unless the person who assembled them extensively converted them, and they rarely convey a sense that their weapons have weight because effectively they don't- the body pose was assembled without consideration for what they'd be holding. Now GW did better with their mono-pose plastic character they experimented with for a while, but I'm beginning to wonder if that's not a concept that was lost to the warp. To disguise the lack of natural humanity in their figures, you'll often see GW's minis covered in excessive accessories and needlessly complicated details because keeping the eye swimming in knick-knacks and doo-dads often distracts people from critically assessing the whole.

Multipart plastics make sense when you have a company trying to squeeze as much product out of as little sculpting work as possible, but for companies like CB that produce quality miniatures I'm happy enough to see them stay with what works.

For those interested in the cover art of the Paradiso book: http://elpinoy.deviantart.com/art/Infinity-Campaign-Paradiso-333729939



Done by http://elpinoy.deviantart.com/ who has also done the cover art for Human Sphere and art in general for Relic Knights.

Anyone seen a list of the October releases yet? Do we know what they are, I've seen the Wu-ming but nothing else so far

 BrookM wrote:
For those interested in the cover art of the Paradiso book: http://elpinoy.deviantart.com/art/Infinity-Campaign-Paradiso-333729939

Now all I need is to get the new RAICHO art in similar quality...

I feel the need for a new signature soon...

 SoulDrinker wrote:
Anyone seen a list of the October releases yet? Do we know what they are, I've seen the Wu-ming but nothing else so far

In Ravage magazine they speculate this units for the following months (they are not saying they will all be for sale next month):

- Batroid Ikadron + Imetron
- Crusader Brethren CR
- Gao-Rael (VmultiN2) Sniper
- Uxia McNeill, Covert Action
- Ajax
- Hassassin Muyibs box

 CDK wrote:

 The CF wrote:
All you need to do is jump back a few pages, CDK Basically, Caliban starts as a seed. You can have him start out as normal for extra points. If you don't, you can give him Inferior Infiltration for extra points. You can also make him an engineer. He can have a Feuerbach. He's got MOV 4-2, ARM 2. He's got an automedikit. Costs between 20 - 30 points. AVA 5 in sectoral. I think he's linkable.

Thanks CF! I looked for it and didn't see anything.

Could be good. I certainly would NOT do the seed pod if I can help it. Hate it! I now need the engineer and don't have access to the Morat and the Obsidian is meh. Automedkit is okay. It can only be used in active turn. I wish they'd be cheaper though. Seed soldiers suck for being the cheapest figure.

Feuerbach sounds good. I'm hurting for firepower sometimes too.

You know what I think would make sense for Shasvastii? Mechanized Deployment. I think those seed pods could count as that!

I also wanted some Mechanized Deployment!
Either way, I'm actually leaning towards letting my Caliban be in pods, if pods have Limited Camo. Otherwise they'll be the only revealed thing in my list. 1 turn of total camo is good, then turn 2 my Calibans hatch, I link them and strike.
And yes, I too am loving the Feuerbach. Great for reactive turn.

 Erasoketa wrote:

 SoulDrinker wrote:
Anyone seen a list of the October releases yet? Do we know what they are, I've seen the Wu-ming but nothing else so far

In Ravage magazine they speculate this units for the following months (they are not saying they will all be for sale next month):

- Batroid Ikadron + Imetron
- Crusader Brethren CR
- Gao-Rael (VmultiN2) Sniper
- Uxia McNeill, Covert Action
- Ajax
- Hassassin Muyibs box

Yes, I read that on the forums, but I find it difficult to believe that they would put in Ajax over the already revealed Agema model.

Then again, they did do this bait-and-switch for the Traktor Muls a while back.

Those are October's releases, right?

Because if not... [twitch]...

New Uxia, this pleases me.

 BrookM wrote:
New Uxia, this pleases me.

Same here!

Old Uxia was really, really bad.

I can't wait for the comparison shots!

The Covert Action version is not the resculpt of the old one, it's the new profile. In the concept was similar to an Intel Spec-Ops outfit.

IIRC this pics were taken on GenCon:

Either way, I like. I wasn't a fan of the old mini and yes, I am aware that it is an old mini, but I still don't like that one.