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This only caused... so many more questions.

 BobbaFett wrote:
First of all, CB is a samll company with a constantly growing catalogue. Do you have any idea on how problematic that is? it is like a restaurant with 400 options in the menu.
Making miniatures like the Hospitalier Knight doctor, Djanbazan Doctor, Asawira Doctor... that would more of a problem than anything else.

And that's the situation they put themselves in. They may not like it, but they keep doing it to themselves every time they decide to add yet another unit without doing something about their backlog. Convert isn't really an option when they make models of this type either - with them being true 25mm scale, it makes converting an absolute nightmare for people good at converting metal models.

There's ways to reduce it. Boxing models is something they've been doing lately which reduces the amount of blisters and SKUs.

 BobbaFett wrote:
Second. Making a miniature means that they must have something big representing the option. A Sniper Rifle, A HMG... Doctor option can be easily represented by the basic version of the troop because it has the same weapon.

Go look at the doctor models. Tell me thay're just the basic version of the infantry model in a different pose.

Doctor models do have something to represent them. Their syringe gun and medi pack. That's just as much an equipment difference as a sniper rifle. No, being told to just paint a white wrist band is not good enough.

This is where conversion sets come in handy. If they just released a pack that had some syringe guns and medi packs in it, I could go buy say, an Asawira with combi rifle, stick them on the model, and I now have an actual Asawira doctor.

As it is now, I have to go buy a Ghulam doctor, cut the syringe gun off, remodel it so it's actually got a grip and a non mangled back end, and throw the rest of the model in the bits box. That's unacceptable.

 BobbaFett wrote:
Third. I think the customers of this beautiful range from a small company have a limit of miniatures they are willing to buy. I mean there is no need of 5 models from the same troop profile, I think people just won't buy another blister of an already seen miniature unless is incredibly awesome, specially while there are new troops with no miniature yet.

That doesn't mean the options shouldn't be there. I'm not talking about putting out different models for 3 different models with different mines. Doctors have a visually different loadout, which is shown on the actually released doctor models.

Not to mention, what you're saying still applies. If someone wants a doctor model, they are going to end up buying a duplicate of a model they probably have to paint a visual indicator on. So people are still buying more models. The same models

 BobbaFett wrote:
Fourth. I will prefer CB to re-sculpt some of the worst miniatures of the range (Iskaller, please) than focusing their art-skills in providing more unncessary weapon options. And IMHO the only miniature we need from every troop profile is the basic one and the one with HMG/Sniper/Spitfire/RocketLauncher/HackerDevice

Go look at doctor models.

Tell me what equipment they're carrying.

 BobbaFett wrote:
Those are my two cents.
If my message sounds weird/attacking/offensive, please, don't take it like that. i don't want to sound rude. I really hate discussing in forums.

Not at all. I also only used doctors as an example. There's other options floating around that hvae no models, and nor variants of 'rifle + x'. Telling people to go convert these models wouldn't be such a problem if Corvus Belli provided packs of items to do the conversions. Or at least for MAS to make them, I'm sure MAS wouldn't mind making some resin weapon and item packs.

But I completely disagree with your comments about doctor models. They have their own equipment, and they deserve their own models as much as any other weapon varient.

You've answered your own point there though Loki. It's all about putting things into boxes wherever possible rather than blister packs - something that apparently the traders want (to make merchandising easier), and also something they're doing so that they can get new customers to stock their product range without scaring them off because of the massive range of different goods.

I agree it would be nice to have the option, but there are plenty of other unit entries which have a more pressing need for miniatures - I mean, would you rather the sculptors worked on a djanbazan doctor model, or a new boxset of Kaplan Tactical mercenaries? Or they made a knight-doctor rather than a Raicho (that one's for Alpharius )?

Oh, I'm not saying new stuff doesn't been to be made. What I'm saying is that there's very little new stuff outside of Aleph and Tohaa, so there's a lot of room to add some of these options that have fallen back before the fourth book. Because as it looks, there's not much new to release for other factions, and if we just end up getting 6 months of Aleph and Tohaa once they release the 2-3 new units other factions got, my interest in the game will seriously drop.

And yes, I'd much rather some unpresented options get models before they remodel older stuff.

I'm with Chemical Cutthroat when it comes to Ajax. The new sculpt is great for the most part, but not what I wanted. Something simian would have stood out from the rest of the lithe Aleph minis really well.

The new guy also does suffer a bit from SpezzMuhreen-itis. Big hammer, big shoulderpads.

If I ever get the chance to work on this model, there will be a beard, conversion for added mass around the waistline (probably removing the man-purse to do that), and a different weapon-head.

 -Loki- wrote:

 BobbaFett wrote:
Second. Making a miniature means that they must have something big representing the option. A Sniper Rifle, A HMG... Doctor option can be easily represented by the basic version of the troop because it has the same weapon.

Go look at the doctor models. Tell me thay're just the basic version of the infantry model in a different pose.

Doctor models do have something to represent them. Their syringe gun and medi pack. That's just as much an equipment difference as a sniper rifle. No, being told to just paint a white wrist band is not good enough.

This is where conversion sets come in handy. If they just released a pack that had some syringe guns and medi packs in it, I could go buy say, an Asawira with combi rifle, stick them on the model, and I now have an actual Asawira doctor.

As it is now, I have to go buy a Ghulam doctor, cut the syringe gun off, remodel it so it's actually got a grip and a non mangled back end, and throw the rest of the model in the bits box. That's unacceptable.

You don't have to. The majority of Doctors would be easy to represent simply by adding the medikit as a pouch on their belt/webbing.


You want unacceptable?
There are several models, quite a few of which are Lieutenant and basic infantry options, only available in Starter Boxes.

That's unacceptable.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 BobbaFett wrote:
Second. Making a miniature means that they must have something big representing the option. A Sniper Rifle, A HMG... Doctor option can be easily represented by the basic version of the troop because it has the same weapon.

Go look at the doctor models. Tell me thay're just the basic version of the infantry model in a different pose.

Doctor models do have something to represent them. Their syringe gun and medi pack. That's just as much an equipment difference as a sniper rifle. No, being told to just paint a white wrist band is not good enough.

This is where conversion sets come in handy. If they just released a pack that had some syringe guns and medi packs in it, I could go buy say, an Asawira with combi rifle, stick them on the model, and I now have an actual Asawira doctor.

As it is now, I have to go buy a Ghulam doctor, cut the syringe gun off, remodel it so it's actually got a grip and a non mangled back end, and throw the rest of the model in the bits box. That's unacceptable.

You don't have to. The majority of Doctors would be easy to represent simply by adding the medikit as a pouch on their belt/webbing.

And you can represent a sniper rifle by digging through your bits box, finding a scope, and putting it on a basic rifle model.

But we still get sniper rifle models.

I can totally see them making a ox (at least for Haqqislam) of just Doctor models. That, or blisters with medikits and other bits would be good enough.

I'd like it if they at least update the ugly Ghulam Doctor sculpt.

 heartserenade wrote:
I'd like it if they at least update the ugly Ghulam Doctor sculpt.

And the Najjarun, the worst human miniature from this range.

I won't include pictures because I love you, guys.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 BobbaFett wrote:
Second. Making a miniature means that they must have something big representing the option. A Sniper Rifle, A HMG... Doctor option can be easily represented by the basic version of the troop because it has the same weapon.

Go look at the doctor models. Tell me thay're just the basic version of the infantry model in a different pose.

Doctor models do have something to represent them. Their syringe gun and medi pack. That's just as much an equipment difference as a sniper rifle. No, being told to just paint a white wrist band is not good enough.

This is where conversion sets come in handy. If they just released a pack that had some syringe guns and medi packs in it, I could go buy say, an Asawira with combi rifle, stick them on the model, and I now have an actual Asawira doctor.

As it is now, I have to go buy a Ghulam doctor, cut the syringe gun off, remodel it so it's actually got a grip and a non mangled back end, and throw the rest of the model in the bits box. That's unacceptable.

You don't have to. The majority of Doctors would be easy to represent simply by adding the medikit as a pouch on their belt/webbing.

And you can represent a sniper rifle by digging through your bits box, finding a scope, and putting it on a basic rifle model.

But we still get sniper rifle models.

That's actually nowhere near the same thing and I think you know that you're reaching for this example.

The Paramedic/Doctor options for units such as the majority of PanOceania's units/Haqqislam's units, Dakini Tactbots, etc do not require them to be posed like a doctor.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 BobbaFett wrote:
Second. Making a miniature means that they must have something big representing the option. A Sniper Rifle, A HMG... Doctor option can be easily represented by the basic version of the troop because it has the same weapon.

Go look at the doctor models. Tell me thay're just the basic version of the infantry model in a different pose.

Doctor models do have something to represent them. Their syringe gun and medi pack. That's just as much an equipment difference as a sniper rifle. No, being told to just paint a white wrist band is not good enough.

This is where conversion sets come in handy. If they just released a pack that had some syringe guns and medi packs in it, I could go buy say, an Asawira with combi rifle, stick them on the model, and I now have an actual Asawira doctor.

As it is now, I have to go buy a Ghulam doctor, cut the syringe gun off, remodel it so it's actually got a grip and a non mangled back end, and throw the rest of the model in the bits box. That's unacceptable.

You don't have to. The majority of Doctors would be easy to represent simply by adding the medikit as a pouch on their belt/webbing.

And you can represent a sniper rifle by digging through your bits box, finding a scope, and putting it on a basic rifle model.

But we still get sniper rifle models.

That's actually nowhere near the same thing and I think you know that you're reaching for this example.

The Paramedic/Doctor options for units such as the majority of PanOceania's units/Haqqislam's units, Dakini Tactbots, etc do not require them to be posed like a doctor.

Not talking about posing. I'm talking about equipment. Yes, sniper rifles in Infinity look different to ordinary rifles. Medkits look different to leather pouches. There's a handy picture in the Infinity rulebook that shows what a medkit and syringe gun looks like. So yes, I'm quite comfortable in saying that if it's okay to call a pouch a medit and syringe, it's quite okay to slap a scope on the Djanzaban with a rifle and say its trhe same as the Djanzaban with sniper rifle model.

And I'll say again - this would be perfectly fine if Corvus Belli simply did a bits pack with these kinds of equipment. As it is, if you don't want a non-confusing army, you need to butcher a doctor model for its syringe gun and medkit.

 BobbaFett wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
I'd like it if they at least update the ugly Ghulam Doctor sculpt.

And the Najjarun, the worst human miniature from this range.

I won't include pictures because I love you, guys.

Bobba I <3 you.

I can't stand that model and I'm a huge Haqq fan. I run the Al-Hawwa hacker model as the Najjarun, because that sculpt is awesome and I need an Engineer.

When I played in a no Proxy tourney I just stared and said, "I will not put the Najjarun on the field, it is a disservice to this game."


That being said, the Minuteman sculpt is a very very close second. "WHOOPS I DROPPED MY PANZERFAUST!"

Well my two cents is this...

I LOVE the Ajax model! I think he is awesome, well sculpted and makes me want another faction, aside from my unpainted Yu Jing and Caledonian armies I already have

my second cent is, I agree with BobbaFett, I want to see better sculpts of older models. Especially the antipodes! I want better looking Antipodes! and a few other models...

EDIT: I forgot to add that Ajax is masterfully painted too!

This is also why I don't have an Engineer model for my Haqqislam. Even if Paradiso forces me to have one.

 heartserenade wrote:
This is also why I don't have an Engineer model for my Haqqislam. Even if Paradiso forces me to have one.

Amen brother.

Proxy models ftw.

Ah come on guys he isn't that bad

Just looks like a cool dude out resting his leg on a box..

I'm actually just painting up the Najjarun at the moment. I like him. He looks like a dude. His box is probably full of porn. He has his pistol out, and cool shades. What is there not to love?

From the painter's blog.

Now stop ... Hammertime!
Makes one wonder why other major companies did not come up with such a nice pose sooner.

Great pose, screams of action and whatnot, not that blown away by the hammer though, a bit silly.

Is it just me, or has it occurred to anyone that he can also serve as a base for a converted Space Marine?

 heartserenade wrote:
Is it just me, or has it occurred to anyone that he can also serve as a base for a converted Space Marine?

Well played, sir. Well played.

 -Loki- wrote:
Otherwise we're just going to end up with 6 months of nothing but Aleph.

But... but... you say that like it is a bad thing?

I just want Atalanta and her adorable Spotbot, and crazy amazon woman.

I know I've said this already, but those will tip my hand into playing an ALEPH force.

Ok I need to know, how good is Ajax in game? And how would you field him, what type of force would you use? Thanks!

 Chaplain Pallantide wrote:
Ok I need to know, how good is Ajax in game? And how would you field him, what type of force would you use? Thanks!

He's fairly good.

Ajax can be fielded in either the Steel Phalanx Sectorial list for ALEPH or Vanilla ALEPH.

I was thinking about going the Steel Phalanx route...thoughts on a list? Or should I take this to the Infinity section...

PS: Is it just me or does Ajax give off a more "Hockey player about to take a slap shot" kind of pose, especially with his huge gym bag.

 Chaplain Pallantide wrote:
I was thinking about going the Steel Phalanx route...thoughts on a list? Or should I take this to the Infinity section...

PS: Is it just me or does Ajax give off a more "Hockey player about to take a slap shot" kind of pose, especially with his huge gym bag.

I'll tell you what.

PM me a list of what you're thinking of, modelwise, and I'll cook you up a list using the Steel Phalanx list since it's not in the Devil Team Army Builder yet.

 Chaplain Pallantide wrote:
Ok I need to know, how good is Ajax in game? And how would you field him, what type of force would you use? Thanks!

ALEPH
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 10/Irrs: 0):

AJAX 2 Combi Rifles, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW (43 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:18 BS:13 PH:16 WIP:12 ARM:5 BTS:-6 W:2
Regular, Impetuous, Cube 2.0, Fireteam: Enomotarchos
Berserk, Natural Born Warrior, V: No Wound Incapacitation

MYRMIDON OFFICER Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (39 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Frenzy, Cube 2.0
Martial Arts L3, ODD: Optical Disruptor, Fireteam: Enomotarchos
V: No Wound Incapacitation, Chain of Command

MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW (39 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:18 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:15 ARM:2 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Frenzy, Cube 2.0, Fireteam: Enomotarchos
Martial Arts L3, Doctor
ODD: Optical Disruptor, V: No Wound Incapacitation

2x MYRMIDON Hacker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (37 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Frenzy, Cube
Martial Arts L3, ODD: Optical Disruptor, Hacking Device

2x MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (16)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Frenzy, Cube
Martial Arts L3, ODD: Optical Disruptor

2x MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW (32 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Frenzy, Cube
Martial Arts L3, ODD: Optical Disruptor

LAMEDH Rebot Electric Pulse (8)
MOV:6-6 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
CH: Mimetism, Multiterrain, Repeater


299 Points | SWC: 5


I made this list using the existing Army builder from the official site and combining them with the text from this post from the official forum: ALEPH Paradiso profiles in Devil Team-like layout

Ok, here is my idea....
I will use AJAX and the Myrmidon officer as Enomotarchos, I will make two fireteams both with a Myrmidon Hacker, Myrmidon with Spitfire & Myrmidon with Chain Rifle.

Machaon will be the Lt. and also doctor, he can be Enomotarchos and heal his companions.
Myrmidon Officer is great because she has Chain of Command is Machaon dies, also she provides V-0 grenades for advancing against visors.
AJAX is just cool.
Hacker will be crucial when dealing with campaign objectives.
Spitfires are the key miniatures, they will be Team Leaders most of the time.
The remote can be replaced by Ghost Servant remotes if you want.

It just popped into my mind; you could paint a big "Last Airbender" arrow on his head, and you'd have a super-buff cyber-Aang about to swat a pesky Firebender...

What has been thought up cannot be unthought...