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What ever happened to that talk of coming out with a Merc sectorial? Is that still going to happen, or did it get scrapped along with Black Hand?

The Merc stuff is, as far as I know, still happening. Those are coming with Acheron Falls though.

 -Loki- wrote:
So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?

My resistance already cracked. I just bought the Morat starter, the Zerats and the worm last night.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 aldo wrote:
There is some talk in the spanish forum saying that the double pistol guy is either a "Grenzer" (Black Hand guy) or a Criza/kriza Borac (Tunguskan MI) so that all four Nomad sectorials appear in the starter

pd: Oh, and hello to everyone

Kriza Borac are Heavy Infantry and were said to have Black Hand ties.

Grenzer were, as of the last info dump we got about them, Tunguskan LI.

Yes, sorry, looks like I got everythig the wrong way

 -Loki- wrote:
So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?

Join the Mighty Monkey Force (of Doom!), we have bananas. I love all the new Morat stuff coming out but I'm so behind in collecting my CA that I'm picking up the old stuff before it's discontinued. I'm trying my best to resist starting Nomads... I'll just get the Icestorm box and stop there... yea...

Must paint Haaq before starting Morats
Must paint Haaq before starting Morats
Must paint Haaq before starting Morats
Must paint Haaq before starting Morats


Gaaaaaah!

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm not sure I can say either way, but can I ask why it would matter?

Just curious!

There's a number of reasons why companies go with plastic for starter boxes for their miniature games. many companies that still use metal do so because it's much cheaper to tool molds for metal even though the metal material is more expensive than plastic. A starter box is likely to get high sales compared to anything else in the range, so the higher initial cost of plastic molds is made invalid. Plastics are also easier to work with for beginners than metal.

Privateer Press said in the MK1 rulebook [back when plastics were confined to GW and 20mm, not today] they weren't going to do plastic miniatures. They have a plastic 2 player starter set for each of their games.

Is it bad that I have to regularly convince myself not to buy the Kum riders every time someone posts the pics in the thread? I don't play Shadowrun RPG yet I keep wanting to add one model to my collection to keep my WHFB Ogre Maneater Troll Street Shaman and friends company. Over the past few years, I've done a great job at not only not buying but actually selling off most of the minis I've picked up on a lark for tabletop games I don't actually play and never will (warzone, doom, shockforce, etc) but I find myself drawn now to minis for RPGs that I don't. I guess it is still an improvement if I only buy single or double minis instead of whole units, starter, and armies... so yay?

 sing your life wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm not sure I can say either way, but can I ask why it would matter?

Just curious!

There's a number of reasons why companies go with plastic for starter boxes for their miniature games. many companies that still use metal do so because it's much cheaper to tool molds for metal even though the metal material is more expensive than plastic. A starter box is likely to get high sales compared to anything else in the range, so the higher initial cost of plastic molds is made invalid. Plastics are also easier to work with for beginners than metal.

Privateer Press said in the MK1 rulebook [back when plastics were confined to GW and 20mm, not today] they weren't going to do plastic miniatures. They have a plastic 2 player starter set for each of their games.

So.... how that explains why it would matter?

CB stated they stay metal because they want to keep production and more importantly quality in house and because plastic cannot hold the quality and dynamism Infinity models have, at least not yet and not without a ridiculous parts breakdown.

So their decisions are solely based on quality.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

CB stated they stay metal because they want to keep production and more importantly quality in house and because plastic cannot hold the quality and dynamism Infinity models have, at least not yet and not without a ridiculous parts breakdown.

So their decisions are solely based on quality.

I think the pics of the kingdom death plastics rule out the "can't" possibility for the medium as long as you're willing to put in the effort to make sure it is done right. It may simply not be worth it for CB to go plastic yet even with their recent years worth of growth.

 warboss wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

CB stated they stay metal because they want to keep production and more importantly quality in house and because plastic cannot hold the quality and dynamism Infinity models have, at least not yet and not without a ridiculous parts breakdown.

So their decisions are solely based on quality.

I think the pics of the kingdom death plastics rule out the "can't" possibility for the medium as long as you're willing to put in the effort to make sure it is done right. It may simply not be worth it for CB to go plastic yet even with their recent years worth of growth.

Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.

Modern plastics definitely compete on the detail and quality department, CB staying in metal is pretty much solely down to keeping the production in-house. Although you're right about the number of parts plastic kits require, that's not much different than CB's current metals that are in 7+ pieces for a model that most other companies would cast in 2 or 3.

It's a shame, I would LOVE if CB switched to Malifaux style plastics, but it's hard to fault them for wanting to retain complete control over production. I wish restic technology would advance enough to hold the quality and consistency of metal, but Infinity is going to remain metal for the forseeable future

 Kanluwen wrote:

Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.

On a similar note, how good is their quality control on the metals? Is it good like GW with metals or horribad like GW with finecast? Or somewhere inbetween like most other companies? I haven't seen too many complaints about miscasts with them but in my experience the prevalence of problems with metal minis tends to be less than with resin overall. I've only ever gotten one miscast HIPS sprue in 20 years (a baneblade weapon sponson sprue that had an extra 1mm "oreo" white plastic layer in the middle that threw off my magnetizing plans) and only a small handful of metal miscasts.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.

On a similar note, how good is their quality control on the metals? Is it good like GW with metals or horribad like GW with finecast? Or somewhere inbetween like most other companies? I haven't seen too many complaints about miscasts with them but in my experience the prevalence of problems with metal minis tends to be less than with resin overall. I've only ever gotten one miscast HIPS sprue in 20 years (a baneblade weapon sponson sprue that had an extra 1mm "oreo" white plastic layer in the middle that threw off my magnetizing plans) and only a small handful of metal miscasts.

It's pretty good for the most part.

 -Loki- wrote:
So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?

I already folded when that new Morat starter set came out, and Wayland had a 20%-off sale at Salute..

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.

On a similar note, how good is their quality control on the metals? Is it good like GW with metals or horribad like GW with finecast? Or somewhere inbetween like most other companies? I haven't seen too many complaints about miscasts with them but in my experience the prevalence of problems with metal minis tends to be less than with resin overall. I've only ever gotten one miscast HIPS sprue in 20 years (a baneblade weapon sponson sprue that had an extra 1mm "oreo" white plastic layer in the middle that threw off my magnetizing plans) and only a small handful of metal miscasts.

I've only had issues with them missing the proper parts in the large boxes. My buddy's Dragoe didn't have a head and an arm. That sorta sucked.

Other than that, no real issues.

Go buy dem bikes!

 warboss wrote:
Is it bad that I have to regularly convince myself not to buy the Kum riders every time someone posts the pics in the thread? I don't play Shadowrun RPG yet I keep wanting to add one model to my collection to keep my WHFB Ogre Maneater Troll Street Shaman and friends company. Over the past few years, I've done a great job at not only not buying but actually selling off most of the minis I've picked up on a lark for tabletop games I don't actually play and never will (warzone, doom, shockforce, etc) but I find myself drawn now to minis for RPGs that I don't. I guess it is still an improvement if I only buy single or double minis instead of whole units, starter, and armies... so yay?

You know what? That sounds eerily familiar..

Trandoshan Morat conversion... AWESOME.

The only thing that the Infinity community is kinda lacking in is conversions. With the number of missing TAGs it's kinda surprising actually.

Back on-topic, CB's metal quality control is excellent IMO. I've only faced old-mould flash issues with one figure out of about 80.

Lol, I've done the same for Star Wars as well with my Mordheim Elf warlock turned jedi and some kitbashed mandalorians and Imperial Knights. Deathwatch, Star Wars Saga Edition, and Shadowrun are the RPG games I want to play but never find a stable group for yet I keep accumulating PC and NPC figs for. Infinity obviously works quite well for two of those as a source of figs.

Only issue I had was with the Uberfallkommando box, thinking the Chimera was missing her hands.

Phoned up CB, got a replacement part sent.. only to find that I had had the hands all along (they were attached to her whip), just I hadn't noticed them! So sorry, packer number 381, I hope you didn't get scolded!

In my defence they were very small hands..

In terms of QC issues, I have so far only encountered two. One was that my Gwailo was missing his left arm, which they replaced very quickly and the other was my Rifle Djanbazan was mispacked with the arms for the HMG Djanbazan. Beyond that, I've had no issues other than the odd old figure having a somewhat prominent mold line going across his face.

Thanks for the responses. It sounds like with the tiny spindly parts on infinity models (as opposed to the chunky exaggerated 40k style), missing is more common than miscast.

On a side note, does anyone have a parts pic or seen one online for the new Kum riders? I googled and didn't find any. There are the painted Angel pics (the one with the coin is particurlarly stunning IMO) but not much else.

Not always missing. I've heard of people throwing bits away thinking they were flash or sprue. Never throw anything away until the model is fully assembled.

If the parts pic shows up anywhere, you can find about it here http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/12107-unit-unpacks/

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.

On a similar note, how good is their quality control on the metals? Is it good like GW with metals or horribad like GW with finecast? Or somewhere inbetween like most other companies? I haven't seen too many complaints about miscasts with them but in my experience the prevalence of problems with metal minis tends to be less than with resin overall. I've only ever gotten one miscast HIPS sprue in 20 years (a baneblade weapon sponson sprue that had an extra 1mm "oreo" white plastic layer in the middle that threw off my magnetizing plans) and only a small handful of metal miscasts.

Petty damn good, as the bad ones just get thrown back in to go again.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Not always missing. I've heard of people throwing bits away thinking they were flash or sprue. Never throw anything away until the model is fully assembled.

If the parts pic shows up anywhere, you can find about it here http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/12107-unit-unpacks/

Very cool link, thanks!

Yes, thanks for that link!

(Grumble)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/542643.page

Do you mean this one Warboss? Just enough to make me give up painting for good..



IJW is probably the person to ask about the components for that kit, he often posts here..

I just wonder what dark and terrible pacts he made with dead and sleeping gods in order to have that sort of brilliant skill.

When Angel paints his last miniature, he will hold his brush up to the sky and scream something unintellegible, and burst into crimson flames.

 Alpharius wrote:
Yes, thanks for that link!

(Grumble)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/542643.page

De nada, muchacho I saved him a click. Don't want to cause any RMIs.

Some of Angel's work will definitely be at GenCon. Perhaps one of or even both Kum.

I picture him being drawn into the clouds by a beam of light. Celestial choir sound effects optional.

Giraldez at work (don't worry, if you don't speak spanih you can activate the subtitles) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFFzjkRmbjg