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 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
@Wyzilla

Bolters function by firing a miniature rocket which, after a certain distance, engages it's rocket engines to accelerate it to it's maximum speed. I would imagine that there is some recoil to the gun since Marines need a round that can still punch but not as much as one would think since a bolter round doesn't need the same amount of initial force to reach it's optimal velocity.

Unless, of course, it -does- fire with the full force such a round can offer and the rockets in the bolt propels it to even greater speeds.

Yes.... but in order to actually hit what you were aiming at, it would still need enough gunpowder to send it flying straight, and you're firing a weapon that uses anti-aircraft caliber rounds.

This is true.

Okay, so, Spess Mureen bolters can kill a normal wo/man. This would mean that Guard/Sororitas bolters would fire a smaller cartridge. In fact, since Sororitas tend to wear power armor which can help brace against recoil I would guess Guard bolters fire the weakest round.


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 Smacks wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
All personnel missile weapons with large rockets (like a bolter) has a hole on the end of the "gun" which is worn on the shoulder. The explosion as the rocket activates is harmlessly blown out behind the shooter's back in a large fireball as the rocket launchers the grenade away. Bolters however, are a just a traditional gun. If they fired it with purely rockets, the kickback of the flames would either maim or kill the shooter, not to mention the recoil of firing a 20mm round would probably kill them or shatter their shoulder.

But we already have/had experimental gyrojet sidearms, they were light and had much less in the way of 'flames' and recoil than regular ammunition.

The gyrojet guns are to bolters what a matchlock pistol is a Chey-Tac intervention.

 Smacks wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
All personnel missile weapons with large rockets (like a bolter) has a hole on the end of the "gun" which is worn on the shoulder. The explosion as the rocket activates is harmlessly blown out behind the shooter's back in a large fireball as the rocket launchers the grenade away. Bolters however, are a just a traditional gun. If they fired it with purely rockets, the kickback of the flames would either maim or kill the shooter, not to mention the recoil of firing a 20mm round would probably kill them or shatter their shoulder.

But we already have/had experimental gyrojet sidearms, they were light and had much less in the way of 'flames' and recoil than regular ammunition.

Spoiler:

And they used a ridiculously small charge, were horrendously inaccurate, and firing a small round at low velocity.



These are bolter rounds.

 Wyzilla wrote:


And they used a ridiculously small charge, were horrendously inaccurate, and firing a small round at low velocity.

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These are bolter rounds.

Yeah, I'd appreciate you not throwing in the facepalm smiley like I said something stupid. And I don't need to be shown pictures of bolters, I've been looking at them for well over 20 years now. The fact the gyrojet ammunition is smaller is not the point, what is important is that is they had less recoil and flames than equivalent sized ammunition. So you can't just assume a bolter is going to have the same recoil as an A10 gatling, just because the rounds are the same size, that would be insane (even for a 10 foot super human). The technology is completely different.

 Smacks wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:


And they used a ridiculously small charge, were horrendously inaccurate, and firing a small round at low velocity.

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These are bolter rounds.

Yeah, I'd appreciate you not throwing in the facepalm smiley like I said something stupid. And I don't need to be show pictures of bolters, I've been looking at them for well over 20 years now. The fact the gyrojet ammunition is smaller is not the point, what is important is that is they had less recoil and flames than equivalent sized ammunition. So you can't just assume a bolter is going to have the same recoil as an A10 gatling, just because the rounds are the same size, that would be insane (even for a 10 foot super human). The technology is completely different.

No, because it uses a charge of gunpowder to get it out the barrel first. Gyrojets are a terrible comparison to bolters due to them being far smaller than 20mm or 25mm (heavy bolter) and having a pathetic velocity of just supersonic at 1,250fps (and that's increasing over time, not even the muzzle velocity!). And note I only describe bolters as gyrojet due to there being no other explanation as to how the things fly straight- GW just describes them as rockets but never mentions fins. Bolters fire rounds the size of the blue capped round at speeds sufficient to punch through armor.. Bolters clearly do no use the rockets as the primary charge to exit the barrel of the gun- doing so would damage the barrel and would have more force due to bolters probably having a velocity well over 2,000fps to punch through armor. Gyrojets had less velocity than normal ammo because of their pathetically short range and low velocity. The 7.62 for comparison has a velocity of roughly around 2,600fps.

Not to mention for propelling something as large as a bolt at speeds necessary to puncture stuff like power armor... there's going to be a lot of blowback if it's not a two stage round.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Bolters clearly do no use the rockets as the primary charge to exit the barrel of the gun- doing so would damage the barrel and would have more force due to bolters probably having a velocity well over 2,000fps to punch through armor.

I don't know why you have this idea that a system where propellant steadily accelerates a round up to speed over time (rocket) would damage a barrel or recoil more than a system where the propellant suddenly explodes all at once (gun), but it is making the conversation difficult.

My point was much more clearly made by the person with the modern day gun analogy and I'm happy about that thank you.

So yeah I mean it just has to be accepted that a 7.6 foot superhuman that is far stronger pound for pound than your average human could easily lift and use a gun that a normal human would find next to impossible. His example has shown how easily that can be true for normal human to human never mind adding another few foot and exponentially more muscle and strength.

None of which takes away from the original fluff statements that back that up again and again nor the practicalities.