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Its going to be hard to do those guerilla tactics when you level the playing field. Literally level it with arty. Be it a city, a jungle or anything, it will be blasted. The DKoK are willing to do anything to win.

There are no DKoK veterans...

They're all crushed by atomic depression before they ever have the chance to be cool. Grimdark artillery barrages smash the unlucky and unwary into flecks of flesh in the mud. Ran-DOM.

Deathworld vets: Have survived by not making mistakes around the predators/uninhabitable conditions/xenos hunting grounds. They're like Crocodile Dundee on 'roids.

DKoK heroes are the sole survivor of their company, having advanced through a friendly artillery barrage on the way to their designated stop-line that they never even got to see. They are usually named Franz, and shake a lot at loud noises.

the Catachans were based on some of the finest action stars ever to act in over the top films!
what's the death korp based off of (looks to be ww2 germans to me)
did Chuck Norris ever kill any Nazi's?

DKoK would probably win any protracted warfare, what they did to their world, they can do to any other. They would even win on a forest world just by felling all the greens and turning everything into a wasteland with their ordnance, I don't see Catachans doing well charging a DkoK line with nowhere to hide and being able to kill many. To be fair, any DKoK soldier would be pwned by a Catachan should he be unlucky enough to find himself in a forest.

I had to think of the US Forces and Middle-eastern insurgents here for a second, just in their ways of fighting wars. The DKoK being the US Forces, having experience at large-scale mass-invasions and the logistics to move huge formations and regiments around. The Catachans being the insurgents...not so happy about people from outside (commissars) telling them how to do things, rather invidivualistic, not made for a slugfest on open ground. They'd probably let the DKoK have the battlefield without risking too many losses...and when the Korps' general is getting on the vox to tell the Lord Commander the battlezone has been cleared, his vox operator gets blown up by a hidden plasma charge. The Catachans wouldn't be so stupid to battle openly against such a foe, but they would go all-out Guerilla fighter style with a metric feth-ton of IEDs, mines, traps, everything they can improvise - something I think they are better at than the DKoK. While the Korps would occupy and "control" most of the territory, they could never really feel safe.

Now, who's better? I think that question is, as many have stated, too hard to answer because of their different fighting styles and specializations.

Lord Poison wrote:the Catachans were based on some of the finest action stars ever to act in over the top films!
what's the death korp based off of (looks to be ww2 germans to me)

A mix of first world war french and german uniforms primarily, mostly french actually aside from the mask, helmet and suspenders.

Clearly, the Alpha Legion would win.

It really does depend on where they are, though. And I'd say Catachan is the more dangerous world.

Commissar Molotov wrote:There are no DKoK veterans...

They're all crushed by atomic depression before they ever have the chance to be cool. Grimdark artillery barrages smash the unlucky and unwary into flecks of flesh in the mud. Ran-DOM.

Deathworld vets: Have survived by not making mistakes around the predators/uninhabitable conditions/xenos hunting grounds. They're like Crocodile Dundee on 'roids.

DKoK heroes are the sole survivor of their company, having advanced through a friendly artillery barrage on the way to their designated stop-line that they never even got to see. They are usually named Franz, and shake a lot at loud noises.

Brilliant.

The DKoK have no "Heroes" per se actually aside from Colonel Jurten, and there are no Krieg Characters, heroism as such is "commonplace and expected" (hence why they don't award medals, anything other regiments would get a medal for they expect as common behavior). Though they do have Veterans, but they're more akin to Stormtroopers than normal Veterans.

Shhh, you're making Franz shake.

A stiff breeze does that, nothing to be done about it sadly. Dude's messed up.

I voted Krieg because if you set up them both on a planet, even a jungle one, they would level it all out. Seems to me the Catachans would have no where to hide once this happens, and they would die in the open.

Sorry for the necropost but I needed to get this out:
You guys seem to assume that Catachans only hide in the jungles and use hit and run techniques. You have to remember that Catachans do use Valkyries, Vultures and aircraft in general which they can use to strafe the DKOK trenches. Also completely leveling a Jungle planet isn't as easy as it sounds. Read the book Death World for more info.

My vote is for Catachan.

Though Krieg is famous for its death korps and willingness to die, that doesn't mean your a better o dangerous soldier. Just means your willing to die.
Catachan however and the environment they live in moulds them into perfect soldiers almost, shoot, fight, and loyal. And high gravity catachan breeds better and stronger soldiers.

DKoK would grind the Catachans to dust, would take a while, but they would do it.

DKoK embody the Imperial Sledgehammer idea of the Imperial Guard, hit it with enough men, tanks, and ships and it WILL break.

The most dangerous world is Krieg, step outside one of the bunker cities and take a deep breath, you will die in seconds from severe pollution/radiation poisoning. If you even have a full body protection suit the surface is COVERED in unexploaded ordnance and nuclear wastes.

Krieg all the way.

They are space Wehrmacht after all.

Alexzandvar wrote:DKoK would grind the Catachans to dust, would take a while, but they would do it.

DKoK embody the Imperial Sledgehammer idea of the Imperial Guard, hit it with enough men, tanks, and ships and it WILL break.

The most dangerous world is Krieg, step outside one of the bunker cities and take a deep breath, you will die in seconds from severe pollution/radiation poisoning. If you even have a full body protection suit the surface is COVERED in unexploaded ordnance and nuclear wastes.

Catachan is the most dangerous world; sure the air may not be as poisonous but every plant and every creature wants you dead; in addition Krieg does not have the barking toad which can emit a poison that that makes a mockery of power armor and kills everything within 1 km. And its not like the Imperium doesn't have mine clearing vehicles. There is a reason why Catachan is said to be the most infamous of the Death worlds. If you've read the book Death World, it shows that clearing a jungle is much harder then it seems, especially one like Catachan because every time the foliage is cut, the Jungl redoubles its effort to regrow. Also the Catachans do have access to Tanks, aircraft etc.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:Krieg all the way.

They are space Wehrmacht after all.

Catachans are Space USMC(The actual marines); Death Korp of Krieg is Space WW1 German/French soldiers from WW1. And of course the USMC> Wehrmacht.

Unlike the US and its wars involving insurgency, the DKOK can basically nuke any world it likes - if for some reason it came to a civil war anything but a 1v1 Catachan vs DKOK, the catachan's would lose outright simply because the DKOK would melt their faces with nukes, then carpet bomb everything in sight, gas the crap out of them, and then finally just walk over whatever was left.

This isn't even a fair question.

The Unforgiven Saint wrote:
Its going to be hard to do those guerilla tactics when you level the playing field. Literally level it with arty. Be it a city, a jungle or anything, it will be blasted. The DKoK are willing to do anything to win.

Say the DkoK have some Trench lines facing east Behind the lines are the artillery and reserves. I would use Catachans in this way: would definitely infiltrate behind the artillery, dismantle everything in the back-lines while any armor units tie up the front. Demo-charges and tight, confined trenches is a plus for Catachans.

Also, looking cool certainly doesn't help. The Eldar look like spandex-wearing fairy elves and still kick some butt.


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 ENOZONE wrote:
Unlike the US and its wars involving insurgency, the DKOK can basically nuke any world it likes - if for some reason it came to a civil war anything but a 1v1 Catachan vs DKOK, the catachan's would lose outright simply because the DKOK would melt their faces with nukes, then carpet bomb everything in sight, gas the crap out of them, and then finally just walk over whatever was left.

This isn't even a fair question.

Unless they forced the DkoK to get on the ground first. Also, spraying gas everywhere won't help too much if there are bystanders. The reason anyone gets on the ground in the first place is to secure things or because a space barrage onto a planet might not be accurate enough to do the job.

 Decio wrote:

 ENOZONE wrote:
Unlike the US and its wars involving insurgency, the DKOK can basically nuke any world it likes - if for some reason it came to a civil war anything but a 1v1 Catachan vs DKOK, the catachan's would lose outright simply because the DKOK would melt their faces with nukes, then carpet bomb everything in sight, gas the crap out of them, and then finally just walk over whatever was left.

This isn't even a fair question.

Unless they forced the DkoK to get on the ground first. Also, spraying gas everywhere won't help too much if there are bystanders. The reason anyone gets on the ground in the first place is to secure things or because a space barrage onto a planet might not be accurate enough to do the job.

Assuming there are bystanders - Bystanders infers innocence, and innocence in 40k proves nothing. Gas them, and nuke them both after the DKoK drop in. It's the main difference between the Catachans vs the DKoK, the later wouldn't think twice about collateral damage or friendly fire, the Catachan's wouldn't dare even dream it.

I like Death Korps more, but think that individualism and initiative probably breed better fighters (and the Q was fighters, not armies).

 ENOZONE wrote:
Unlike the US and its wars involving insurgency, the DKOK can basically nuke any world it likes - if for some reason it came to a civil war anything but a 1v1 Catachan vs DKOK, the catachan's would lose outright simply because the DKOK would melt their faces with nukes, then carpet bomb everything in sight, gas the crap out of them, and then finally just walk over whatever was left.

This isn't even a fair question.

Who says the Catachan can't counter it? They do have access to Imperial Naval assets as well and nothing is stopping them from doing an all out air assault on DKOK positions http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m530559a_LA_Valkyrie.pdf

PresidentOfAsia wrote:


Who says the Catachan can't counter it? They do have access to Imperial Naval assets as well and nothing is stopping them from doing an all out air assault on DKOK positions http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m530559a_LA_Valkyrie.pdf

You're assuming that the greatest human siege specialists in the IoM wouldn't have more Hydra and other Skyfire emplacements than you could shake your Iron Hand at? Engaging the DKoK head on with an ambush centered army is inviting defeat, and the Catachan's would be ground to a pulp within hours if they tried.

 ENOZONE wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:


Who says the Catachan can't counter it? They do have access to Imperial Naval assets as well and nothing is stopping them from doing an all out air assault on DKOK positions http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m530559a_LA_Valkyrie.pdf

You're assuming that the greatest human siege specialists in the IoM wouldn't have more Hydra and other Skyfire emplacements than you could shake your Iron Hand at? Engaging the DKoK head on with an ambush centered army is inviting defeat, and the Catachan's would be ground to a pulp within hours if they tried.

Depending on where they're set up and how much they set up; and remember, Catachans do have basilisks, Leman Russes etc for ground support

And the greatest siege specialist are the Imperial Fists

Also you're making it sound like there's like 30,000,000 kriegsmen vs 100 Catachans on a planet without jungle

 ENOZONE wrote:

 Decio wrote:

 ENOZONE wrote:
Unlike the US and its wars involving insurgency, the DKOK can basically nuke any world it likes - if for some reason it came to a civil war anything but a 1v1 Catachan vs DKOK, the catachan's would lose outright simply because the DKOK would melt their faces with nukes, then carpet bomb everything in sight, gas the crap out of them, and then finally just walk over whatever was left.

This isn't even a fair question.

Unless they forced the DkoK to get on the ground first. Also, spraying gas everywhere won't help too much if there are bystanders. The reason anyone gets on the ground in the first place is to secure things or because a space barrage onto a planet might not be accurate enough to do the job.

Assuming there are bystanders - Bystanders infers innocence, and innocence in 40k proves nothing. Gas them, and nuke them both after the DKoK drop in. It's the main difference between the Catachans vs the DKoK, the later wouldn't think twice about collateral damage or friendly fire, the Catachan's wouldn't dare even dream it.

Catachan's are moral now?

Well, of all the soldiers, catachans are uniquely equiped to fight trench war on somewhat even terms, high quantaties of flamers and mortars, they get into the trenches and things are more even.

Let's say its a jungle planet, kried do have a trench system set up.
The catachans won't play to the Kriegs tune, its that simple. What ever way you cut it, catachan won't fight kriegs way. Snipers, moving mortars, fluid movable lines of battle are a complete anatheme to Kriegs way of war.

Krieg if they want to win this battle and eliminate the Catachans, will have to leave the trenches, because a battle between these 2 won't be fought this way, except if you put Catachan in an open plain in an established trench network and force them to hold it.
But then you might as well reverse that situation and put Krieg in a Deathworld jungle and force them to look for the catachans.

Catachans have more initiative, strong as an ox, vicious, they are better soldiers because there battle plans are not based around the 'if we make trenches here, it will only cost us 250'000 deaths to complete our objectives.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

Catachans are Space USMC(The actual marines); Death Korp of Krieg is Space WW1 German/French soldiers from WW1. And of course the USMC> Wehrmacht.

You mad?

Krieg are the most badass IG Regiment in the galaxy, second only to Cadians themselves.
They are emotionless, loyal to the Emperor to the point where Black Templar loyalty seems small, they can withstand to lose millions and still fight on and they nuked their own homeworld to prove their loyalty.

+ they are based on WW1 western front solders but mostly going toward Wehrmacht witch makes them more than awesome.

Oh man krieg hands down just think of the grenadiers end of.

I think the Catachan could probably mess anyone up with whatever comes to hand...
In fact didn't Straken strangle a chaos lord with a vine?

 purplefood wrote:
I think the Catachan could probably mess anyone up with whatever comes to hand...
In fact didn't Straken strangle a chaos lord with a vine?

Keep in mind Krieg troops have WS4