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Looking good Vic! Looking forward to adding some beauties to go with my beasts.

very good looking sculpts... we need some more versions of heads of course... can´t have a female squad walk around in the bleeding sunshine with all the same hairdo, now can´t we?...

also... if it would be possible... some greatcoated female torso and legs would be great...(female commissars anyone?)

cheers, vik

What legs are those on the female trooper mini with the flak armor? I need legs like that with the cargo pockets, shirt sticking out, and boots and I'm going to feel really stupid if those have been in the store this whole time.

As for the minis themselves, the female flak armor trooper looks great, her torso looks perfect for this scale. I'm not as crazy over the tannenburg figure, but I will say she has a very striking hourglass figure . I can't tell if that's my eyes playing tricks on me (since her bust exaggerates her skinnier waist) or if her waist really is that skinny though.

Looks like those legs are from the penal set.

It seems lots of people are looking for cool-looking but sensibly designed female models in this vein. With that in mind I think you are about to find yourself catering to a very large and relatively untapped market...!

It's a market that'll definitely include me.

I would echo the call for slightly slimmer legs and smaller feet on the females, but otherwise they are looking good

What page are pictures of the female test sculpts on?

The previous page captain lazy pants, but here you go.

 vic wrote:
Is there a way you could cut the laser rifle and keep the stock? I suppose should look at making some blank arms (no weapons).


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Hi, Its been a long time coming but here are the much asked for female troop test sculpts.
I have been asked many times to sculpt some female versions of the modular regiments in my range that are non-sexualised, but still recognizable as females and fit in alongside the male troops.
You can see these photographed with males dressed in similar uniforms that could be part of the same unit.
This is a big project as it involves re-sculpting every part. At this stage I greatly welcome any feedback, and will keep you updated with further sculpts.
I ultimately aim to have equal M/F options for all my 'Galaxy's Finest' regiments.
Thanks, V

I am surprised that many sculptors think that male and female bodies are identical from the waist downward. This is not the case.
My suggestion is to take the extra time and make complete female sculpts and not a mix of male and female body parts. The result will look much more convincing.

With legs of proper proportion, I think they will look much better. With "male" legs it makes them look wasp waisted.

I hope these are ready by Christmas. I plan to spend some holiday money on them for sure.

Also, I love the idea of commissars and officers. Some heroic officers would be raging awesome.

I third the suggestion of female legs. I think those will do more for the sculpts than the boobs. Still awesome sculpts and just what i was looking for. I was going to pledge for the raging heroes kickstarter but it's way too much money to get alternative models. These are looking better for me.

Thanks for making them

I have to say, I don't like the heads. Bodies look fine.

HI, many thanks for all the great feedback. I'll be taking it on and adding more wip pics asap.
I hope to have at least one regiment available before Christmas.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
What legs are those on the female trooper mini with the flak armor? I need legs like that with the cargo pockets, shirt sticking out, and boots and I'm going to feel really stupid if those have been in the store this whole time.

Ha ha, you haven't missed them. But there is a male set with the cargo pockets coming with the first wave of resins. I will also add a male set with cargo pockets and shirt for the second wave of resins.

As for the minis themselves, the female flak armor trooper looks great, her torso looks perfect for this scale. I'm not as crazy over the tannenburg figure, but I will say she has a very striking hourglass figure . I can't tell if that's my eyes playing tricks on me (since her bust exaggerates her skinnier waist) or if her waist really is that skinny though.

Possibly too much hourglass, I might thicken the waists eventually, I think the shoulders on the Tannenburger are a bit wide too.
There is a deliberate exaggeration and the shape (wasp waist) is based more on WW2 uniforms and earlier, rather than modern soldiers, hence the narrow waist and baggy pants.

I am surprised that many sculptors think that male and female bodies are identical from the waist downward. This is not the case.
My suggestion is to take the extra time and make complete female sculpts and not a mix of male and female body parts. The result will look much more convincing.

That's why these are test sculpts. They already have completely different waists and hips than the male version. Can you really tell the difference between a male and female from the knees downward when wearing baggy pants and combat boots?

I agree with the comments about the feet, Iwill be making the feet smaller and looking at how that affects the legs. The legs may end up being a re-sculpt but this is a starting point.

I'll do some more work on them today and post the pics asap.

These two WW2 Russians demonstrate nicely the comparative proportions I am using as a base. ie, same uniforms, legs similar length but with hips and narrower waist, shorter torso, narrower shoulders.

Posted these pics of US WAFS because they are cool

I like the wasp waist and larger legs. Makes them look like my wife.

Also, it is nice to see mini women with baggie clothing. The very concept is so novel that it has boggled many minds.

Vic, I already said so on facebook, but seriously.. my wallet.. I'll be throwing it at Oz when these lovely models appear on your store.

Absolutely love the direction you are going with.

In a form of defense for the legs, my wife and I met in the military. When she had her combat boots on and her BDU's blowsed above the boot, her feet looked larger than they are!
That said, can't wait to send moneys for these goodies!! I'd love to see a female(or 5) sculpts with Pith helmets!

 vic wrote:

Possibly too much hourglass, I might thicken the waists eventually, I think the shoulders on the Tannenburger are a bit wide too.
There is a deliberate exaggeration and the shape (wasp waist) is based more on WW2 uniforms and earlier, rather than modern soldiers, hence the narrow waist and baggy pants.

Even so, it's probably a little too exaggerated/wasp-waisted. I know your stuff is heroic-scaled and I have no issue with that, but if you look up something like Gaddafi's angels or female troops in dress uniform, they may have fancy uniforms like the tannenburgers, but they have more normal proportions.

That's why these are test sculpts. They already have completely different waists and hips than the male version. Can you really tell the difference between a male and female from the knees downward when wearing baggy pants and combat boots?
I agree with the comments about the feet, Iwill be making the feet smaller and looking at how that affects the legs. The legs may end up being a re-sculpt but this is a starting point.

Let's put it this way. Recycling the male legs gives you the same kind of situation as we have if my wife were to wear my pants. They look wrong because they're clearly too big. Your sculpted pants aren't so baggy as to not clearly be able to visualise where the legs are underneath. If you were sculpting me and then my wife wearing the same pants, the pants would be visibly baggier on her (she's almost the same height I am, btw)

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I like the wasp waist and larger legs. Makes them look like my wife.
Also, it is nice to see mini women with baggie clothing. The very concept is so novel that it has boggled many minds.

That's a bit insulting and unnecessarily douchey, Bob. People aren't asking for tights, they're asking for legs/pants to be sculpted specifically for this range of figures rather than being recycled from the male ones. Legs that are in proportion with the slightly smaller torsos that Vic has already sculpted. It's more like, measure twice, cut once. Get it right from the get-go and they can then be recycled into many other female ranges rather than being mehhhh... from the start.

I think the legs need to be slimmer but not greatly so...
Otherwise it's great work as usual. Just wish I had the money to afford to buy anything

Nah i want thicker legs! Bigger hips! Like eva canela

 vic wrote:
Is there a way you could cut the laser rifle and keep the stock? I suppose should look at making some blank arms (no weapons).

I don't want to detract from the great discussion about the female troops, but some blank arms (either with no weapon or even just the arms with no hands) would be extremely useful. I tried converting the arms to hold a plasma gun today and while some use of a razor saw and needle file removed the rifle and left the hands intact, it was no trivial task - not one that I would necessarily want to repeat on a large scale (I think that I'll need between 15 and 24 sets of rolled sleeve arms without the rifles). And once I had removed the rifle, there really wasn't a good way to attach the plasma gun in a manner that wouldn't require additional cutting and GSing of the arms to get them to attach correctly.

Don't get me wrong - I love how your arm sets aren't just pistol-grip rifles - I think it looks so much better than many of the others out there. Unfortunately, it just makes converting special weapons troopers more...special. If all else fails, I may have them holding the rifles and then having the special weapons slung, but I'd love to find a solution for this.

vic wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:
What legs are those on the female trooper mini with the flak armor? I need legs like that with the cargo pockets, shirt sticking out, and boots and I'm going to feel really stupid if those have been in the store this whole time.

Ha ha, you haven't missed them. But there is a male set with the cargo pockets coming with the first wave of resins. I will also add a male set with cargo pockets and shirt for the second wave of resins.

Awesome. What time roughly are those waves due out? I'm guessing the one without the shirt is where the guy just tucked it in apparently? Just trying to figure out if I should wait for the untucked shirts or just go ahead and get the legs without.

vic wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote: As for the minis themselves, the female flak armor trooper looks great, her torso looks perfect for this scale. I'm not as crazy over the tannenburg figure, but I will say she has a very striking hourglass figure . I can't tell if that's my eyes playing tricks on me (since her bust exaggerates her skinnier waist) or if her waist really is that skinny though.

Possibly too much hourglass, I might thicken the waists eventually, I think the shoulders on the Tannenburger are a bit wide too.
There is a deliberate exaggeration and the shape (wasp waist) is based more on WW2 uniforms and earlier, rather than modern soldiers, hence the narrow waist and baggy pants.

I always preferred a woman with a good set of hips myself

No but seriously I think if you get the hips a little wider and the legs a little slimmer they'll look perfect. As she stands now, the Tannenburg figure just seems a little too extreme. In reality it's not so much her hips as it is the placement of the belts in these photos that really contributes to that "wasp" look. They look like they're above the belly button. It makes the figure look a bit too much like this lovely lass

Instead of more like this, which I feel is a good look for what a tannenburg trooper would look like.

However, they're already looking great, and I have a feeling even as is they'd sell very well. This provides a good alternative to things like the raging heroes kickstarter, whose minis are more... exotic. I'm really looking forward to seeing what you do with it.

What have you had in mind for heads? To be honest I have a feeling that's going to be the hardest part of this project, and they're probably what will make or break it. There's a lot of possibilities, from tight buns, pony tails, crew cuts, etc. If I can make a humble request, a sprue of women with "bowl cuts" like the Sisters of Battle have would be greatly appreciated. I may or may not need those for a conversion I have in mind. I would need around 50, so you've got that many guaranteed sales at least

As always, great work, can't wait to see what's next and look forward to an order at the end of July when I finally get some spare cash again.

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. I will have a go at some re-sculpted legs. I agree they are not quite 'there" yet. Its good to be able to show this as it progresses.

What have you had in mind for heads? To be honest I have a feeling that's going to be the hardest part of this project, and they're probably what will make or break it.

Yes, for the two heads I've shown there are eleven rejects on my desk
I need more practice.
I plan to release an initial head sprue with fairly simple generic hair, probably ponytails and buns, then do some variants, including heads with hats and helmets.

 Death By Monkeys wrote:

I don't want to detract from the great discussion about the female troops, but some blank arms (either with no weapon or even just the arms with no hands) would be extremely useful. I tried converting the arms to hold a plasma gun today and while some use of a razor saw and needle file removed the rifle and left the hands intact, it was no trivial task - not one that I would necessarily want to repeat on a large scale (I think that I'll need between 15 and 24 sets of rolled sleeve arms without the rifles). And once I had removed the rifle, there really wasn't a good way to attach the plasma gun in a manner that wouldn't require additional cutting and GSing of the arms to get them to attach correctly.

Don't get me wrong - I love how your arm sets aren't just pistol-grip rifles - I think it looks so much better than many of the others out there. Unfortunately, it just makes converting special weapons troopers more...special. If all else fails, I may have them holding the rifles and then having the special weapons slung, but I'd love to find a solution for this.

I agree with you completely. Given that much of Vic's range is based off of the non-copyrightable metal Imperial Guard designs, and we all know what they're predominantly used for, I don't think it's an especially unreasonable ask for Vic to sculpt some arms compatible with the plastic Flamers, Plasma and Melta guns that GW puts out to go with her range. It would also be a much more elegant solution than hacking apart the existing figures...




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 vic wrote:

Yes, for the two heads I've shown there are eleven rejects on my desk
I need more practice.
I plan to release an initial head sprue with fairly simple generic hair, probably ponytails and buns, then do some variants, including heads with hats and helmets.

Unfortunately, the two heads in the photo just don't look very good. Maybe it's the photo, or maybe a bit of both.

If I can offer a suggestion - Go for helmets and hats with the initial run (with sunglasses and ballistic goggles thrown into the mix). I see no reason that male troops in combat would predominantly be wearing headgear while their female counterparts - also in combat - would be rocking a variety of hairstyles blowing in the wind. Maybe a couple of unhelmeted heads in a set of 10, mostly wearing combat headwear.

Helmeted heads with chinstraps, goggles, sunglasses, etc will also be easier to "pass" while you practice sculpting female heads.

My reason for starting with heads with out head wear is because it is easier to use them as a base sculpts which I can later add gear to. Its the same system I used with the blokes.

Understood, and I did consider that. The thing is, from the consumer side, it's probably not the best way to release/buy them. I've been waiting for your female troops for awhile, and to be blunt, I wouldn't buy a set of them without headgear that makes them fit in with the men, because they would stand out a bit too much - rather than blending in while offering variety.

Perhaps use the base heads as your "practice sculpts", then give them headgear, and come back later with new sculpts for your unhelmeted, etc versions?

I don't have much to add from the modelling perspective - all my gripes (legs, waist, headgear) have already been voiced and addressed (I'm actually quite impressed by how much weight customer feedback is given, bravo!). But I must say that I am thrilled by this development.

I don't actually get around to playing much 40k anymore, but I do play the RPGs quite a bit, and given female friends and open minded male players, this entails quite a few female PCs. This presents especially large issues in Only War, where the men and women must blend together in a perfectly uniform manner, but still look good enough close up to represent characters.

I was looking at round about ways of handling this, entailing bits from a half dozen manufacturers and reams of re-sculpting on my part. Needless to say, you've made my life much easier!

I am definitely excited about this release and can't wait to place my order.
...and I was doing so well at holding myself back from ordering the rest of your beautiful products... so much for my wallet.

Thanks for more awesome minis!
Cheers.

 Azazelx wrote:

That's a bit insulting and unnecessarily douchey, Bob.

True. I should probably scale it back a bit today.

People aren't asking for tights, they're asking for legs/pants to be sculpted specifically for this range of figures rather than being recycled from the male ones. Legs that are in proportion with the slightly smaller torsos that Vic has already sculpted. It's more like, measure twice, cut once. Get it right from the get-go and they can then be recycled into many other female ranges rather than being mehhhh... from the start.

True. However, I am sick to death of the catsuited, "totally liberated punk for reals", short-shorted, or booty-hugging-thong-armoured sculpts that pop up in thread after thread. I suppose I'm getting paranoid that that is what people are asking for just because they ask for it in so many other threads.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:



True. However, I am sick to death of the catsuited, "totally liberated punk for reals", short-shorted, or booty-hugging-thong-armoured sculpts that pop up in thread after thread. I suppose I'm getting paranoid that that is what people are asking for just because they ask for it in so many other threads.

Interesting, it probably depends on the company, but the many personal requests I've had, have all been asking for non-cheesecake female troops

Re:Only War.
Thanks for mentioning that. The fantastic illustrations in that book are what finally inspired me to give female troops a go.

Just saying that my feedback is meant as constructive, because I love your previous models.

Guess what makes it difficult is that your troopers are a bit heroic scaled, with big muscular legs and arms and relatively short bodies.

Putting a female torso on them looks wrong, because the feet are much too large and the legs much too thick in relation. I would also have a look at the torso length, left one has a very short lower body, right one has a very short torso below the chest.
Comparing the faces with your released male character heads, the female ones look still generic and seem not on the same quality level.

It is a difficult path to make female soldiers between the two extremes "over-sexualized" and "look like males", and there currently is no convincng option for that.