Black Library News & Rumours Thread III, that awkward third title.

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**Alpharius**

Bloodwin wrote:
Unremembered Empire looks odd. For me Sanguinius has been a disappointment in the HH books. His Legion are supposed to be badasses but he comes across as a hanger on who is there to soothe the Primarch of the moment even though he's a freaking mutant. I'm concerned that it's Dan Abnett writing it as I can take or leave most of his books. They are ok stories but then it's all rushed unfulfilled endings. I am suspicious that the last we saw of Guilliman he was at Calth and stabbed by a knife that was warp touched and possibly poisoned and this could all be some trauma induced fever dream.

As for the thread of which books are relevant to the main storyline, the Garro series hasn't done anything relevant to the conflict yet although that could obviously change as more is revealed. I'm wondering if Garro himself is going to set up the Ecclesiarchy after their 'group' is split up following the Heresy. I mention this as the Garro stories are very popular but not central to the conflict.

I haven't listened to the Garro audio dramas (!), but... don't we already know what Garro is going to do, following the Heresy?

**Manchu**

Alpharius wrote:
And... it never happened.

We'll see. Seems to me we're going to learn a lot about the Codex from this -- and thus also the subsequent 10,000 years.

As far as channeling K_K ... before I ever read his sigs, I summarized the HH thusly: the Emperor kills his favorite son for killing his favorite daughter.

**kronk**

Alpharius wrote:

So, 350+ pages setting the whole thing up, only to end with..."I'm not dead yet! Now get over here quick! Except for you Roboute, and your Legion which is the biggest of all the Legions. You stay way and do... something else..."

I'm thinking that the Word Bearers (and possibly a sprinkle or two of Alpha Legion and World Eaters) will have a lot to do with Roboute not joining the fight at Terra.

**Manchu**

Zweischneid wrote:
What's up with this Unremembered Empire alternative timeline/history thing?

Whoa whoa whoa. This isn't an alternate timeline or history. This is the same timeline and history. It's just something that was expunged from the dim records of this tumultuous era.

**Alpharius**

Manchu wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
And... it never happened.
We'll see. Seems to me we're going to learn a lot about the Codex from this -- and thus also the subsequent 10,000 years.

As far as channeling K_K ... before I ever read his sigs, I summarized the HH thusly: the Emperor kills his favorite son for killing his favorite daughter.

I have to admit, I have that joke - I really do!

Sanguinius is a badass, and should be written as one - and seen as one.

In the stories that I first read, his sacrifice was fairly awesome - he knew what was going to happen (I think!) and still did what he felt he had to do. Especially as, at least according to the Blood Angels, it was his sword strike that weakened Horus' armor at a critical place? Or something like that!

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Manchu wrote:
Zweischneid wrote:
What's up with this Unremembered Empire alternative timeline/history thing?
Whoa whoa whoa. This isn't an alternate timeline or history. This is the same timeline and history. It's just something that was expunged from the dim records of this tumultuous era.

What's this?!?

Sounds like someone's drinking the BL Editorial Kool-Aid!

**Zweischneid**

Manchu wrote:
Zweischneid wrote:
What's up with this Unremembered Empire alternative timeline/history thing?
Whoa whoa whoa. This isn't an alternate timeline or history. This is the same timeline and history. It's just something that was expunged from the dim records of this tumultuous era.

Whew.

For a second, I thought BL were starting up some sort of Ultimate Marvel there or something along those lines...

**Manchu**

Alpharius wrote:
Sanguinius is a badass, and should be written as one - and seen as one.

I think it's those gorgeous blonde locks.

Alpharius wrote:
Sounds like someone's drinking the BL Editorial Kool-Aid!

You lost me on that one.

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Zweischneid wrote:
For a second, I thought BL were starting up some sort of Ultimate Marvel there or something along those lines...

The novel does apparently involve a superhero-style battle. Meaning (a) flying Primarchs fighting amidst skyscrapers, (b) characters that won't stay dead, or (c) all of the above?

**Alpharius**

Strangely enough, Sanguinius isn't supposed to have blond hair!

**Compel**

Like the background of the picture. That's about it.

And yeah, I am wrinkling my nose at the whole concept of the story.

In other news, I'm still making my way through Fear To Tread's audiobook. It really is awesome and I think the audio does suit James Swallows storytelling more than page. Which isn't a huge surprise, really....

**CURNOW**

maybe its like dallas and Sanguinius didnt really die it was just a dream ?

**Harriticus**

CURNOW wrote:
maybe its like dallas and Sanguinius didnt really die it was just a dream ?

It'd be pretty funny if the story ends with him becoming Emperor, then you realize it was just a hallucination and is Sanguinius dying after fighting Horus.

**Manchu**

If this is just a hallucination story ... Oh man, I can't wait to see how Dembski-Bowden blames such a thing on the readers.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Alpharius wrote:
Bloodwin wrote:
Unremembered Empire looks odd. For me Sanguinius has been a disappointment in the HH books. His Legion are supposed to be badasses but he comes across as a hanger on who is there to soothe the Primarch of the moment even though he's a freaking mutant. I'm concerned that it's Dan Abnett writing it as I can take or leave most of his books. They are ok stories but then it's all rushed unfulfilled endings. I am suspicious that the last we saw of Guilliman he was at Calth and stabbed by a knife that was warp touched and possibly poisoned and this could all be some trauma induced fever dream.

As for the thread of which books are relevant to the main storyline, the Garro series hasn't done anything relevant to the conflict yet although that could obviously change as more is revealed. I'm wondering if Garro himself is going to set up the Ecclesiarchy after their 'group' is split up following the Heresy. I mention this as the Garro stories are very popular but not central to the conflict.

I haven't listened to the Garro audio dramas (!), but... don't we already know what Garro is going to do, following the Heresy?

Well yeah, but you could say that about almost all of the HH characters. Plus we only think we know what he's going to do because of the audio dramas.

**H.B.M.C.**

So apparently the Primarchs are now 15 feet tall super-mutant goliaths who tower over all other forms of life.

Come on...

**kronk**

Manchu wrote:
If this is just a hallucination story ...

If I read the whole thing and find out after 350 pages I just read a dream story, I think I'll have to back out of the rest of the HH series. Seriously.

**Alfndrate**

I'm glad that we have proof to the 10+ foot tall Space Marines

**Just Dave**

Tbh, I'm already liking the discussions Unremembered Empire is creating.

Seems to have a pretty negative reception already though!

**Manchu**

I know right? Can you imagine if something actually happened in M42?

**KamikazeCanuck**

I think that would get a pretty positive reception.

**Manchu**

I think the internet would swell with such anonyhate as to birth a fifth Chaos power, Slurgleentchorne the God of Whinge.

**KamikazeCanuck**

This thread coincidentally going right now seems to indicate most people are in favor of it. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/494147.page It's on the internet too!

**Manchu**

There is a difference between wanting something and being happy with it once you have it, KC.

**Harriticus**

I'd love the idea of Unremembered Empire if it wasn't holding up the whole HH series. They really should have finished the core series then added onto the mythos, making it a setting for books in and of itself as opposed to just a book series.

Also I have a lot of reservations about the concept. It don't see how Guilliman and Sanguinius/all of Ultramar (and apparently most of the loyalist Legions) think the Emperor is dead and immediately crown Sanguinius without even consulting Terra/Malcador/and so on. Really, this would have been a better concept as a post-Heresy story where the remaining loyalist Primarchs try to recreate the monarchy given that the Emperor is kaput.

**d-usa**

So is the 40K universe just a dream of Roboute Guilliman, and if he ever wakes up from stasis the universe as we know it will end?

**Alpharius**

Either way, I'm looking forward to UNREMEMBERED EMPIRE - something new that should be very interesting!

If nothing else, it plans to significantly alter the history of the Heresy as we know it!

**KamikazeCanuck**

Manchu wrote:
There is a difference between wanting something and being happy with it once you have it, KC.

Yes, well The Internet is rarely happy with anything it gets but I don't think the outrage will be any more than all the other Internet outrages that failed to destroy the Galaxy.

**Alpharius**

Are you talking about some specific event from your past?

Either way, I think Dakka Dakka, and the Internet, will survive the Unremembered Empire!

**KamikazeCanuck**

Me? I too think the Interent will survive. Manchu's the one pessimistic about the galaxy continuing to exist.

**reds8n**

Alpharius wrote:

I haven't listened to the Garro audio dramas (!), but... don't we already know what Garro is going to do, following the Heresy?

Given Mr. Swallows' statement in White Dwarf

Spoiler:

I'm not sure we do.

**BrookM**

Didn't they say that Garro is to become..

Spoiler:

IIRC.