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I will say this, the artists need ot work closer with the writers. Only war is full of pictures of missile launching sentinels and I can't find one in the rules anywhere.


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Krieg! What a hole...

Forgeworld has one, so either the ABG or the Elysians can take one with ML.

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Savageconvoy wrote:
Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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Actually no, Elysians do not have access to the missile launcher variant. Just the "regular" Drop Sentinel with heavy bolter, heavy flamer and multi-melta load-outs.



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Krieg! What a hole...

Well that I did not know.

Must be the ABG then?

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Savageconvoy wrote:
Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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Sorry, ABG?



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The standard plastic kit comes with a missile launcher option anyway

   
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narked wrote:
The standard plastic kit comes with a missile launcher option anyway


Is that a missile launcher or a H/K missile?
   
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 PrimarchX wrote:
narked wrote:
The standard plastic kit comes with a missile launcher option anyway


Is that a missile launcher or a H/K missile?
Both are in the plastic kit.



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Krieg! What a hole...

 BrookM wrote:
Sorry, ABG?


Armored BattleGroup

Basically, tanks, tanks everywhere.

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Savageconvoy wrote:
Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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 Bobthehero wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
Sorry, ABG?


Armored BattleGroup

Basically, tanks, tanks everywhere.


I'm all about tanks, tanks everywhere, but I could swear they're in either the IG codex or IA as regular IG toys as well. What I meant was there are no rules for a missile launcher Sentinel in Only War.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
What I meant was there are no rules for a missile launcher Sentinel in Only War.


What can I say? Always leave 'em wanting more?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

What can I say? Always leave 'em wanting more?



Can't say I''m wanting, I only already designed every IG vehicle known back for.... Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader. Just seemed really odd to have the book crawling with art for a weapon system that was not included is all.


But then, we had the same problem with some ships in Rogue Trader as well, didn't we?


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 BaronIveagh wrote:
Can't say I''m wanting, I only already designed every IG vehicle known back for.... Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader.


Yeah but my designs are official.


I kid! I kid!

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Yeah but my designs are official.


LOL. Yeah, but mine are free on the FFG forums. And dark reign, if we can get the php fixed. Someone put the wammy on Dark Reign, and we're still sorting out the mess.

Oh, and HBMC... since I can't post to DR until we fix it... here's my major complaints...

Lasgun fluff is flat out ignored and in most places wrong. Normally I'd not really complain about this, except some of them you actually included rules for. And the Cadian M36 Kantrael Pattern Lasrifle is not the most common pattern of lasgun. That honor is reserved for the M35 M-Galaxy (or M-G) pattern lasgun.

M35 M-G lasgun ('short' pattern varient)


M36 Kantrael Pattern Lasrifle ('short' pattern variant for better comparison to above.)


See the difference in the body casing? The M36 has an extended body casing, presumably to better protect the barrel or possibly to provide the barrel a better heat sink in the stock. You may also notice that the Triplex Phall is an M35 variant, not an M36 variant, based on it's picture.

A corrected list of the typical lasgun for a given homeworld, for those that care.

DKoK: Lucius pattern no. 98



Catachan: Mk4 Lascarbine




Talleran: Mars pattern lasgun



Elysia: Accatran pattern MkIV Lasgun (the one simply called 'bullpup' in the rule list. HBMC, this guy did not do the research)



Armageddon: Voss Pattern lasgun (like the Triplex Phall, an M35 variant. Note the folding stock to make it more portable for mech infantry and reduce weight)



Which brings me to my next complaint..





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What in the name of the God Emperor possessed you guys to use Cadians as the 'mech infantry' example? (Other than producing a true to fluff Steel Legion regiment is difficult under the rules and DKoK already got the single permitted rule variation. Almost every fluff correct variation I've tried has come to 13-15 points [due to commander variations])

What would Yarrick say???



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Huh, I always thought that this was the Mars pattern:




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 BrookM wrote:
Huh, I always thought that this was the Mars pattern:



that's been swapped around again and is used for the Triplex Phall.



Dunno if anyone still uses the Ryza or not. It's one of those ones not seen in a long time. It appears in older artwork as the lasgun of choice for the Imperial Army pre-heresy. Maybe it would be an archeotech lasgun at this point??

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Krieg! What a hole...

The Lucius is a semi-auto lasgun with a meaner punch.

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Savageconvoy wrote:
Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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 Bobthehero wrote:
The Lucius is a semi-auto lasgun with a meaner punch.


Mars supposedly has better long range accuracy. If I remember right Ryza were comparable to a hellgun.

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Krieg! What a hole...

But its such an ugly design :(
Who uses the Ryza?

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Savageconvoy wrote:
Snookie gives birth to Heavy Gun drone squad. Someone says they are overpowered. World ends.

 
   
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 Bobthehero wrote:
But its such an ugly design :(
Who uses the Ryza?


Now? No one i know of. Before? Apparently it was the main go to lasgun pre-heresy. I suppose any IG unit that is extensively supplied at Ryza. Tank companies maybe?


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Krieg! What a hole...

That would make sense, considering the whole ''everything was better in 30k, hey even the right shirts had better gear.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Now everyone can share in the bloodshed!


You'll have to give us a min, we're still straightening out our lasgun patterns.


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And by 'we' you of course mean 'you'.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And by 'we' you of course mean 'you'.




Actually by 'we' I mean the three serious IG players on this site. For which you should be thankful. If you guys had done this with a marine book, we'd all be subjected to animated gifs and youtube videos of SM players doing vile things to the book and naming you up there with CS Goto. (Amusingly, he too got weapons wrong)

There's a big difference between claiming, as you love to, 'Oh, that's your interpretation of fluff' and this where we have 'We couldn't even be bothered to google 'lasguns'." I mean, I know that people don't expect non-marine players to exist, let alone notice when placeholder text is used instead of what was supposed to be there, but come on.

Hell, that's not even close to them all. Where the hell is the 9-70? That thing made it into Inquisitors Handbook for gods sake, and that's not even a book ABOUT the Guard. It's about the only piece of gear common to every single IG unit in existence aside from the IUH and it's not even in here. The only way I can add it is as a misc Average item and go pull the stats from Inquisitors Handbook.

And yet we fill pages with things that IG have no business dealing in. What Guardsman is going to need the skill Navigation: Warp? Somehow, I think the Commissar will shoot them long before they figure out how to use the third eye they suddenly sprouted in their forehead.

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Here's hoping that the equipment book rectifies and adds in a lot of things then.



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 BrookM wrote:
Here's hoping that the equipment book rectifies and adds in a lot of things then.


It just bothers me that it wastes half a page describing a pen (granted, in lovely 40k terms) in the equipment section, but we don't get basic, iconic, gear. It's as if the person writing the equipment section had only the vaguest of ideas about what the Imperial Guard carried, or they were just trolling.


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I can assure that isn't the case. Please don't make such obviously false assumptions. It's insulting to the writer.

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Definitely a cool cover for tome of blood (khan!!!) but I'm not really a fan of the jersey shore sleeveless khornate marine below it in HBMC's post.
   
 
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