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 Sarouan wrote:
They said it's EU friendly for shipping, but not sure they did take the Brexit really into account here.

Here's their comment about

Depending on what happens, we'll use a shipping hub in Europe if we have to. Although at this rate, it probably won't be sorted by November 2020

Well they're not wrong.

I'm on the fence. One the one hand, I'd like to be able to play Dungeon Saga fully co-op, and it seems that this game will update the Invisible Overlord/Keep Master rules. On the other hand 175 GBP is an awful lot of money. Also, the little elf cat is called a larynx, a misspelling that I'm having trouble getting past...

 JoshInJapan wrote:
I'm on the fence. One the one hand, I'd like to be able to play Dungeon Saga fully co-op, and it seems that this game will update the Invisible Overlord/Keep Master rules. On the other hand 175 GBP is an awful lot of money. Also, the little elf cat is called a larynx, a misspelling that I'm having trouble getting past...

I just realised this is in GBP not USD it looks rather more expensive as a result.

I’d be wary of Mantic’s shipping promises they do what suits them best they could say they’ll look into a European hub and end up shipping from the UK anyway. Unless they put that comment about a European hub in the FAQ or shipping section they could (and have in the past) disregard they ever said it.

I mean if we're being totally honest here Mantic have failed to deliver on stretch goals then tried to say that posting those goals was a mistake when people questioned them on it.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

dyndraig wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:


I know, Mantic fanboys will keep saying Mantic Games is so much better than GW, but in the end they use the same tricks - just on a different scale.

You keep saying this in every Mantic thread, but I'm not convinced it's true. I think most Mantic fans recognize that both Mantic and GW are profit driven companies, we just dont think Mantic is as egregious about it as GW.

You didn't lurk on their facebook fanatic page, I believe. This is why I keep saying this. And your comment is exactly what I'm talking about : you still believe Mantic Games does it better, while it's not true. They just do it on a smaller scale because they can't do it on the same than GW. They don't have neither the size nor the money to achieve this (and they know their fanbase isn't big enough to allow themselves to get them angry too much - well, with the changes in 3rd edition and a lot of people not being happy about their unit unlocks, they still can allow themselves to get a small part angry, just not too much). But if they did ? There is no doubt they would have gone the full way down.

Profit doesn't have an end - it just scales with the size of the company.

I really don't even get the purpose of this argument/discussion. So what if they're releasing another boardgame to attract people? How is that a negative? How is GW doing it a bad thing? If the game is decent who cares? Why are people getting cranky about this? it's seriously one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen on this board. Oh no, a company is making a new game and charging for it! How dare they!

I think his only point is 'Me no like Mantic! Grrr!'

I relegate his posts to not worth bothering with. Kind of boring. I was a bit the same way about GW before Rountree took over, so I can't complain too much. (My first GW purchase in years - Contrast paints. Because they are kind of awesome.)

My only complaint about the game, right now, is that it is more expensive then I would have preferred - not too expensive for what is in it, just that right now I would have preferred a smaller game with a lower price point. We have a pirate ship on our horizon, via the Bones KS and the gravitational pull on our wallets is nigh inescapable.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
I think his only point is 'Me no like Mantic! Grrr!'

I relegate his posts to not worth bothering with. Kind of boring. I was a bit the same way about GW before Rountree took over, so I can't complain too much. (My first GW purchase in years - Contrast paints. Because they are kind of awesome.)

Nah, I like Mantic when they do things right. Not when they feth up and hide behind their fanbase happy to defend them no matter what. Of course, that's my point of view and I agree I'm not really diplomatic most of the time.

Still, I play their games. I know, it sounds hard to believe for some !

But feel free to see what I'm saying as being irrelevant, it doesn't matter. Just means you're quick to judge and jump the gun, that's all.

And yeah, their games/products are significantly more expensive than before. Of course, you can always say it's unavoidable, they're a company making profit, yada yada. You know that kind of argument, I believe.

Could this be a taste of what the future Herd infantry might look like?

Lots of great sculpts for KOW in there, loving the Trident in particular, the Nokken is the only sculpt in that set that I don't insta-love. I've been threatening to make a Riverguard force, will be even more likely when these new frogs/toads get ported over. Also holy hell, baby gigas nao please.

EDIT: Oh damn, owl bears as Guardian Brutes instead of the minos we've all assumed? I dig it

Yeah I love the new Trident Realm stuff, but the halfling expansion is a hard pass, way to campy/silly for me.

Aye, several missed beats or overbaked sculpts in there, especially as there are some superb Halfling lines available already or fresh from KS. The longhorn is a miss for me as well (too human of a face), though I do like the tribal warrior quite a bit.

EDIT: I feel like I should comment on the game itself? Seems fine, and flipping the script to play villains is neat, in a market saturated with dungeon crawlers. While I own far too much Super Dungeon to need this, at least a couple of my clubmates are kicking LOI, and I do look forward to playing it, particularly with the KS adding more villains to choose from - the starting lineup is pretty great (except for the WTF rat ogre), I just like maximum variety in my coop games.

I like the concept of a coopeditive dungeon crawl game where you have to work together to beat the DM but have your own interests and trying to win. Reminds me of Cutthroat Caverns which is a similar concept card game and really fun.

There are so many great dungeon crawl games out there...I couldn't fathom paying Mantic for one. The original Dungeon Saga KS that I received was the most unimpressive, lazy effort I've ever seen from a major game company. Hugely underwhelming.

A lot of nice sculpts in there to be sure, but dungeon crawls aren't my jam. Someone please wake me up if they happen to post any KoW unit sets.

Good news for KoW players not interested in the League of Infamy box : Mantic gives the opportunity to buy different heroes in resin (Drakon Lord is in plastic) as add-ons.

They also confirmed they'll make profiles to play them in KoW in a next Clash of Kings, at least for those who already don't have one.

Source : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/leagueofinfamy/league-of-infamy/posts/2668631

Have they shown anything in the flesh? I simply don't trust Mantic to reveal nice 3D models...and just "promise" an equivalent miniature showing up.

 Elbows wrote:
Have they shown anything in the flesh? I simply don't trust Mantic to reveal nice 3D models...and just "promise" an equivalent miniature showing up.

They actually did. Here are some pictures of miniatures painted by Giraldez :

Those would be HQ 3d prints, though. Not the horribly warped plastic that Dungeon Saga came with (which is one of the several reasons giving me a lot of pause in trusting them on a project like this).

James Hewitt is a very good designer, Mantic is an uneven/inconsistent producer with a history of backtracking on KS promises made and ...highly variable quality final products. Some really great stuff, and a lot of utter garbage not worth doing anything with than giving away to people with much lower standards for their minis.

But those are all resins which the past while Mantic have really been knocking out of the park. The vangard stuff was great.

OK, resins then. No problem. But I still don't trust them to be truly indicative of the final (plastic) product for the KS...

Is it sure that someone can pledge only for the minis? It seems that the only option is to increase a pledge for the main game. Am I understanding something wrong?

 Monkeysloth wrote:
But those are all resins which the past while Mantic have really been knocking out of the park. The vangard stuff was great.

Be aware that the resins are just for the add-on packs made for KoW in the update showed above. They'll use that material because they won't take the sprues made for League of Infamy, because they will include different models not meant for the add-on package.

I'll admit openly that Mantic Games vastly improved their material's quality since the first Kickstarters. Their last resin is perfectly usable. Of course, since the League of Infamy stuff is intended to be delivered with assembled miniatures, you're never guaranted to be bend models free. But I'll aknowledge their improvement in comparison to the past, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here.

 corgan wrote:
Is it sure that someone can pledge only for the minis? It seems that the only option is to increase a pledge for the main game. Am I understanding something wrong?

Yes, you can just pledge £1 and still access the pledge manager. They answered in the comments and also added a reply about this in the FAQ :

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Its unclear on the front page (and my skimming revealed nothing) but I'm probably just not seeing it.

Is it possible to pledge at the £1 level just for add-ons or do you need at least the base game pledge first?

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Hi **** - yes, you can do that. Just choose 'pledge with no reward' and then you'll get access to the pledge manager for add-ons.

But I agree it's not that clear on first sight.

 corgan wrote:
Is it sure that someone can pledge only for the minis? It seems that the only option is to increase a pledge for the main game. Am I understanding something wrong?

Yes, you can just pledge £1 and still access the pledge manager. They answered in the comments and also added a reply about this in the FAQ :

Thank you for the clarification!

Mantic minis have improved enormously, some of their resin models are really good. Take a look at review down below, awesome stuff.

Look at the skin texture on the frog, very nice and sharp details.

I recognize that video!

But yeah, the resins have really been pretty sharp. The board game pieces in Hellboy were quite nice (a bit more stylized than their usual fare), as were just about all the models released for Vanguard so far.

Look at some of the other Mantic videos I've posted if you're curious. I've got at least three or four more Mantic kits laying around and even a cursory glance of them looks pretty good.

Admittedly none of those kits were made with Kickstarter deadlines looming overhead though. Well maybe some of the Vanguard ones were...

Oh, it's your video...hehe nice! Great work with the reviews, mate, and yeah I've looked at many
of your videos especially cause I'm also a fan of Mierce miniatures.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
But those are all resins which the past while Mantic have really been knocking out of the park. The vangard stuff was great.

Be aware that the resins are just for the add-on packs made for KoW in the update showed above. They'll use that material because they won't take the sprues made for League of Infamy, because they will include different models not meant for the add-on package.

I'll admit openly that Mantic Games vastly improved their material's quality since the first Kickstarters. Their last resin is perfectly usable. Of course, since the League of Infamy stuff is intended to be delivered with assembled miniatures, you're never guaranted to be bend models free. But I'll aknowledge their improvement in comparison to the past, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here.

Ya I know. I was under the impression that the current discussion was only about the KoW add-ons.

 Elbows wrote:
There are so many great dungeon crawl games out there...I couldn't fathom paying Mantic for one. The original Dungeon Saga KS that I received was the most unimpressive, lazy effort I've ever seen from a major game company. Hugely underwhelming.

I suspect that might be why Mantic and Jake Thornton haven't done any business since then

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
There are so many great dungeon crawl games out there...I couldn't fathom paying Mantic for one. The original Dungeon Saga KS that I received was the most unimpressive, lazy effort I've ever seen from a major game company. Hugely underwhelming.

I suspect that might be why Mantic and Jake Thornton haven't done any business since then

Maybe I recall the dates wrong, but Jake Thornton was involved with 2nd Edition of Deadzone which is younger than Dungeon Saga

Who was involved for the Star Saga rules? I don't think Thorton or Hewitt were part of that game but I thought it played pretty sound.

I can't tell how much this is going to build on what was already in place with that game.

Mind you we never tried breaking the game with the random dungeon generator and character creator....