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2015/03/19 21:20:36
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
If the RC did our jobs right then pretty much every option should be viable, at least from a point standpoint .
There are a few changes which will be revealed in the beta, which i have no idea why they were added, but they should be apparent to most people :p.
At this point though, I'd love for the beta to last as long as possible so this version is as balanced as can be, the best bet to iron out any issues that remain is to get solid and constructive feedback on the Mantic forums. Fingers crossed we can all start testing soon .
The longer it takes to come out, the less time for "open beta" we'll have, unfortunately. Weren't they supposed to come out in February? WTF changes again sound ....not great.
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Yeah it sounds like this is going to be less of a beta, more of a publicity run, since it's getting too close to the printing date and even the rules committee members don't know who is actually going to be receiving the beta feedback and what's going to be done with it
Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
"The Emperor is obviously not a dictator, he's a couch." Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!"
2015/03/20 11:02:51
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Very disappointed by the lack of Bolt Throwers/Scorpions in the Human List. Looks like I'll continue to be borrowing the entry from the Basilean list for my Romans and Gondorians.
Looks like Wights have been removed from the Undead list.
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I'm glad I haven't bought that TK army (Might have to ask about that before dropping any money on the new Raging Heroes KS). Dunno what's going on there, I did hear somewhere that the future of the TK was in limbo as they're not big selling kits and the army as a whole isn't really different enough to normal Elves. I thought for a second they'd been 'End-Timesed' due to the presence of the Heralds-of-Woe-esque 'Silverbreeze' in the Elf list.
I noticed the points increase on Mounted Scouts, I think it's assumed that the changes to shooting should indirectly boost them (they seem to have picked up one/two extra attacks as well). I'm not convinced, but I sort of understand the reasoning.
Anyway, there are some positives. Command groups seem to be gone (I can stop telling people my units don't have them despite the models being there). 2 extra attacks for regiments is a subtle change that might see a little shift towards bigger units.
Lykanis! I was campaining years ago for a 'Werewolf Pack Leader', good to see it in there finally. Going to use my Rackham Shurat for him!
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2015/03/20 11:44:34
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Riquende wrote: I'm glad I haven't bought that TK army (Might have to ask about that before dropping any money on the new Raging Heroes KS). Dunno what's going on there, I did hear somewhere that the future of the TK was in limbo as they're not big selling kits and the army as a whole isn't really different enough to normal Elves. I thought for a second they'd been 'End-Timesed' due to the presence of the Heralds-of-Woe-esque 'Silverbreeze' in the Elf list.
I wonder if their removal was a tactical move in light of the RH Kickstarter that's about to launch? It seems from Daedleh's post that there was an Alpha list.
Riquende wrote: I'm glad I haven't bought that TK army (Might have to ask about that before dropping any money on the new Raging Heroes KS). Dunno what's going on there, I did hear somewhere that the future of the TK was in limbo as they're not big selling kits and the army as a whole isn't really different enough to normal Elves. I thought for a second they'd been 'End-Timesed' due to the presence of the Heralds-of-Woe-esque 'Silverbreeze' in the Elf list.
I wonder if their removal was a tactical move in light of the RH Kickstarter that's about to launch? It seems from Daedleh's post that there was an Alpha list.
I don't recall us ever having an alpha list. As Riq said, they aren't doing the business which puts them in a bit of a chicken-egg scenario -> they need hard-plastic support to be at a Mantic price point = makes the investment needed very risky based on current data.
IMO Mantic should have put the list in as a separate appendix with a clear explanation of their status, maybe if enough noise is generated they will.
Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
"The Emperor is obviously not a dictator, he's a couch." Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!"
2015/03/20 12:20:08
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Having a list that can be played alongside the others is not about investment at this point, but allowing people who made the jump to KoW from the other, far more popular game to continue using their armies and models. More players, critical mass, etc.
I agree with your solution. That would make more sense than this.
And Lesser Obsidian Golems got a decent-sizednerf/price bump. I agree they were too much of an obvious choice against the Greater, but that's a big bump..
Why is there suddenly a random chart involved? My least favourite thing in 40k is the endless series of interlocking charts one must consult on scattered pages and roll against to do anything, and my least favourite of them is the random kind.
NTRabbit wrote: Why is there suddenly a random chart involved? My least favourite thing in 40k is the endless series of interlocking charts one must consult on scattered pages and roll against to do anything, and my least favourite of them is the random kind.
I (we) completely agree(d), please add your voice to the feedback
Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
"The Emperor is obviously not a dictator, he's a couch." Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!"
2015/03/20 12:26:11
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Dat sniff nerf, I need a tampon for my butt. Orcs really need a skirmish screen unit to avoid becoming "stand in a line and run at them". I don't know what to use instead.
Fight wagons still not a good option compared to gores.
I hope these don't end up as final since a few things in these lists are just daft.
2015/03/20 12:35:55
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
Riquende wrote: I'm glad I haven't bought that TK army (Might have to ask about that before dropping any money on the new Raging Heroes KS). Dunno what's going on there, I did hear somewhere that the future of the TK was in limbo as they're not big selling kits and the army as a whole isn't really different enough to normal Elves. I thought for a second they'd been 'End-Timesed' due to the presence of the Heralds-of-Woe-esque 'Silverbreeze' in the Elf list.
I wonder if their removal was a tactical move in light of the RH Kickstarter that's about to launch? It seems from Daedleh's post that there was an Alpha list.
I don't recall us ever having an alpha list. As Riq said, they aren't doing the business which puts them in a bit of a chicken-egg scenario -> they need hard-plastic support to be at a Mantic price point = makes the investment needed very risky based on current data.
IMO Mantic should have put the list in as a separate appendix with a clear explanation of their status, maybe if enough noise is generated they will.
They were in the alphas all the way through, and we did go through their army list to bring it in line with other changes (moving singles to hero slots, -1 Me for ranged units etc). We didn't visit them as extensively as the others because we knew they'd be a placeholder list (I know Smurf wanted to revisit them more) but they were definitely in there all the way.
2015/03/20 12:36:06
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
I (we) completely agree(d), please add your voice to the feedback
Done.
Rules Committee guys, now would be a really good time to clarify with Mantic exactly who is going to be getting this feedback and how much it's actually going to matter, because it seems like a certain someone isn't the slightest bit interested in anything we have to say.
Daedleh wrote: And of course, he forgot to put an entire army list in the document. Hope no-one was waiting for a Twilight Kin update.
from the Mantic Forum:
The Twilight Kin are a race full of exciting possibilities for us, but the previous list was always a placeholder until we had the time to devote to fully fleshing out the background and the accompanying model range – making it truly Mantic. This is something that we are still 100% committed to doing, but it will take time.
All of our time at the moment is being piled into the new units created from the Kickstarter, and to what we think is an excellent progression of the core rules. We didn’t want to jeopardise this relaunch of Kings of War by trying to cram in a full redesign of the Twilight Kin as a race and model range, nor did we want to put into print another placeholder list that would be out of date as soon as the new army was finished.
Instead, we have decided that we will release the Twilight Kin army list as an official free pdf alongside the launch of the game this summer. We will then continue the development of the Twilight Kin, and they will get a new army list, background and model range further down the line. Ideally we want to support this release with an accompanying supplement to further expand the Kings of War universe. As ever, the updated army list will be available for free online as soon as it’s finished.
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
2015/03/20 12:43:15
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
as requested in the KS update, moaning/suggesting etc here will not achieve anything, doing so over there might (and even if it doesn't it will at least show Ronnie what the community thinks is important)
2015/03/20 12:46:32
Subject: [Kings of War][Dwarf Kings Hold] Mantic Games - Fantasy News & Rumors
The Twilight Kin are a race full of exciting possibilities for us, but the previous list was always a placeholder until we had the time to devote to fully fleshing out the background and the accompanying model range – making it truly Mantic. This is something that we are still 100% committed to doing, but it will take time.
Like KoM, amirite? Nope, this seems perfectly timed against the RH KS.
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