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Looking good! After this week I've got around a month break between terms so hopefully my Elysian army will be finished in that time frame.

As to OP? I don't think so personally, yes we CAN run a whole crap ton of aircraft, but (for the most part) we still need boots on the ground to score, with the availability of allies & aegis lines anyone can take a ton of aircraft now, so to gripe about an army being OP because of that is ridiculous.

Compare to C:IG

Cons:
No psykers (primaris, sanctioned, astropath), Ogryn, ratlings, rough riders (I realize these last 3 aren't known to be super, but all have their uses, especially ratlings to us), tanks (any), artillery (any), no support sentinels (missile launcher/rocket pod would be very useful to us), no camo cloaks for any command squads, 1 special weapon per command squad (of any flavor), no master of ordnance, no access to non-vehicle mounted AC or LC, no conscripts or send in the next wave, no bastonne or harker to boost our vets, no vehicles with any kind of firepoints for our vets (to shoot at something their transport has to become very vulnerable & they have to disembark first), no marbo, no outflanking infantry platoons, heavy weapons squads either tie up our entire platoons preventing them DSing or have to come in turn 2/3 & waste a turn snap-firing, no access to the avenger, arvus or aquila (I know 2 of the 3 relatively suck, but still, in an aircav army they'd have their uses), no priests, techpriests, yarrick, straken, creed, or kell; cannot give orders out of a valk, as an army based around deep strike/shock & awe in 6th we have to be very careful what we put on the table to ensure it can survive til our reserves start to turn up.

Can all of these be resolved with allies? Yes, but that means we have to spend points we could use on our own equipment. But the same can be said for almost any army's cons.

Pros (items with * can be taken by C:IG using IA books, which I'm assuming if someone would play Elysians they're ok with IA stuff):
Valkyries as dedicated transports, taros & venators*, everything can deep strike (for the most part), Vultures*, lightning/thunderbolts*, auxiliary grenade launchers, demo charges galore, lascutters, homing beacons, ground scanner*, Taros HQ (cannot give orders though), MM option for sentinels, DSing vets/SW squads specifically, sky talon*, iron discipline

Note I didn't list the sentry guns or cyclops which ARE available to C:IG with IA but I don't really consider to be pros for the most part, if sentry guns had interceptor all the time that MIGHT change my mind on them.

Same as C:IG across the board (without IA):
Valkyries (FA for IG), Vendettas as FA, carapace armor on command squads, orders, vets doctrines (aside form Fwd Observers), standard guardsman profile (aside from upgrades & DS), stormtroopers (aside from Valk transport), commissars & lord commissars, master of the fleet.

Just my .02 on that. Besides, typically uneducated people have this idiotic concept that everything FW is OP, unbalanced, & untested, I believe this foolish misconception is based primarily off of superheavies which are all the above, but are meant to be, they're for Apocalypse only. To that, I refer them to C:BA, Necrons, & GK, or the vendetta gunship in C:IG & then say shut up.

I'm sensing a little bitterness.

Truthfully, in 6th Edition, the Drop Army has LOST a great deal:

1) Everyone's getting flyers and Anti-Aircraft.
2) Elysians will never get special Warlord Traits.
3) No anti-psyker boosts.
4) Can't start the entire army off-board anymore.
5) FW is gaining a cross-spectrum acceptance, especially with the updated 6th edition rulesets and FAQ's.
6) The nature of 6th edition missions really punishes an army that comes in semi-randomly.

I'm sure there's others as well. Yeah, Elysians can do some serious Flying Circus stuff, but you have to start with boots on the ground, and that changes the Elysian's tempo.

Yeah, that's what I thought. But then again, he plays Tyranids, and I killed his Hive Tyrant with wings in one turn with the Vulture, and The Tyrannofex with the Meltagun squad. (I will never again underestimate the power of Meltabombs!)

On a different topic, since Forgeworld's ordering deadline for Christmas is tomorrow at midnight, I have been trying to figure out what to get. Between all of my friends and relatives, (who are aware that orders are due Dec. 4) and my own money, I can probably get about $400-$450 for 40k stuff, and I was going to blow it all on Elysians! (I have nothing else to spend it on anyway...) I was planning on getting another Vulture w/ TL Punisher Cannons, 2 Tauros Venators, and a CCS. What else would you guys recommend?

This is a better picture.

get all the jeeps! that guy looks good, you could use some work on your highlights in my opinion.

My best 2 units have been my vets squads:
2 melta, GL, demolitions, shotguns, lascutter
3 sniper rifles, HB, aux GLs, fwd observers

Also, a 4 rocket pod vulture has manhandled the enemy extremely well. A lightning isn't too bad, though the loss of being able to drop all 6 AA missiles in one go kinda sucks. I devastated a thunderhawk with one in our last apoc game in 5th.

And yes, Panda, I'm a touch bitter. There's a local player whose response to FW is "sure, only if I can use mine" by which he means a shadowsword which seems to be the crux of the issue: people hear forgeworld & assume superheavy or Lucius patten drop pod.

I was the one with the bitter comment. I'm sorry you have a FW douche in your local meta. There's so much fun in there for all armies. But, let's face it. Even if you took a regular leaf blower IG list, he'd probably complain!

Yeah, I had a 'FW douche' in my meta... Apparently he had ever actually seen an IA army list. I showed him the Elysian list from IA8, and he commented on how non-competitive the Army List was. He now lets me use Elysians in games. That just shows how ignorant some people are of FW.

Also, I've been hearing about this A-Company Tauros, or Captain Gerek, and I was wondering where people are finding his stats? Any answers are welcome!

A-Company Tauros and Captain Gerek are in the campagin section of the IA:8 book in little blurbs.

They are (by the writers recommandation) NOT for regular or tournament play but only for the IA:8 campgain. Thats why they dont appear in the army list section.

I honeslty think FW jeeps are just cool, and add a fun element to a list, and for their points will cause some havoc.

 cormadepanda wrote:
I honeslty think FW jeeps are just cool, and add a fun element to a list, and for their points will cause some havoc.

Oh yeah, especially the venator. It's quite an alpha strike platform when fully loaded. Many are the times I've scouted it out to allow good T1 firing position while hiding in cover with a camo net.

Okay, just a quick update.

Even though I haven't gotten the CCS, I have started the Regimental Standard conversion. I liked the idea of a small flag attached to the back, so I made one out of green stuff. The Vendetta is assembled, and will be hopefully be finished soon. For my Forge World order, I ordered 4 Tauros Venators, a Vulture Gunship, PGCs, a CCS, and several transfer sheets. Those will be fun to build!

EDIT-I'll try to have some pics and a BR up soon; there's something wrong with my camera. (could be the paper clip...)

that is a large order! i expect some pictures.

I guess that I will need to use my phone... But the pictures won't be that great.

 Scout Sniper J. wrote:
I guess that I will need to use my phone... But the pictures won't be that great.

well; it could not be great evidence, but it will still be proof! i wanna see the bendy bits. If you need tips on working with resign i am experienced in the matters and can help you with the bendy bits.

 cormadepanda wrote:

 Scout Sniper J. wrote:
I guess that I will need to use my phone... But the pictures won't be that great.

well; it could not be great evidence, but it will still be proof! i wanna see the bendy bits. If you need tips on working with resign i am experienced in the matters and can help you with the bendy bits.

He'd better not resign, then who's Elysians would we admire

Legion of Damnation wrote:

 cormadepanda wrote:

 Scout Sniper J. wrote:
I guess that I will need to use my phone... But the pictures won't be that great.

well; it could not be great evidence, but it will still be proof! i wanna see the bendy bits. If you need tips on working with resign i am experienced in the matters and can help you with the bendy bits.

He'd better not resign, then who's Elysians would we admire

Don't worry, I won't resign, but I will continue to work with resin. (and plastic)

The stuff I ordered hasn't arrived yet, but I hope it will soon so I can take a picture for 'proof.'

I got kind of bored waiting for a coat on the vendetta to dry, so I made little counters to show the birds' hull points and what mode they are flying in, since I am ADD/short term memory loss. Also, I came up with a little fluff, combined with that found in IA8:

"The vaunted 1st Elysian Regiment have a long and glorious tradition, having fought in the Emperor's cause across the galaxy, fighting heretic uprisings around the Eye of Terror, the Orks of Waaagh! Urgok, and Eldar pirates in the Barbarius sector. Currently, they form part of the Ultima Segmentum strategic reserve of Imperial Guard regiments awaiting rapid deployment against any emerging threat. Certain select companies within the regiment have gone through extra training, similar to the mysterious Grey Knights' purification process, to insure their unwavering loyalty to the Emperor and His Imperium of Man. These companies are formed purely of Veteran Squads, as they are more independent and mobile than an infantry platoon, and are supported by Vulture Gunships in place of Heavy Weapons Squads. Often, a single Veteran Squad paired with a transport and a Vulture Gunship is equivalent to a whole infantry platoon, and far more mobile. However, they cannot wear the bulky Power Armor worn by their Space Marine brethren, as the mass of the armor would heavily increase their terminal velocity, and decease the effectiveness of the Grav-Chutes they employ to drop from low orbit. These companies are permitted to call upon any resources mankind has to offer, as their close ties with the Inquisition allows a large range of access to materials. It is not uncommon to see dozens of aircraft, or hundreds of battle-hardened drop troops fall from the sky, drawing the enemies anti-aircraft fire to them, only for the classified Inquisitorial-Pattern holograms to disappear. By then, it is too late for the enemy, as Tauros vehicles are already amongst the foe's ranks, wrecking havoc with their flamethrowers, grenade launchers, and powerful laser weaponry, the Vulture Gunships blanket the ground in a hail of metal, and Vendettas slice through the armor of enemy vehicles and aircraft with ease. Most commanders have a very unique retinue, just barely within Elysian Combat Doctrines, which can be 'modified' at need. A commander will almost certainly have a four-man team of experts, each with a specific skill (a medic, special weapon gunner, vox operator, or standard bearer,) and many have (non)human specialists. For example, Commander Jason is armed with a plasma pistol and a power fist, and his retinue consists of a regimental standard bearer, a plasma gunner, a one-shot grenade launcher, a hologram operator, and two wolfs from Fenris who act as his bodyguards. Jason has known these two wolves since he was a boy. He became lost on the ice world of Fenris when he was eleven years old, and they became his brothers as they mutually supported each other for six months, he hunting the hard to catch animals, and ensuring they were safe to eat, while they protected him from the horrors of the ice land. Since then, the three have been as close as family, and Jason brought the two wolves with him as he rose in the ranks of the Elysian Drop Troops, eventually becoming a Company Commander. Both Jason and the two brothers have died many times, but whenever one died, the other two dragged the fallen comrade away from the fight, and using arcane magic, used a portion of their own life forces to bring their brother back to life. In this way, their souls have been intertwined into one being, and they are able to communicate through telepathic messaging. This is the difference between humans and the other alien races: humans have compassion. Although some may argue that this is a weakness, we have the ability to love and car for, not just enslave. Jason is just the first of many that will discover this bond between humans and animals. We are beginning to understand the power of symbiotic relationships over that of slavery. Maybe one day, in a year far off, all of the life forms on this galaxy could unite with Mankind and our power of compassion, to stand against the horrors of the Universe. This is the Ultimate Destiny of Mankind, kept hidden from us by the Emperor, until we are ready."

So what do you guys think? (I'm going to proxy two Fenrisian Wolves as bodyguards, and I will scratch build or convert a hologram machine to count as an officer of the fleet, representing the foe's reserves becoming distracted by the holograms)

Firstly, I just wanted to state that in this post, I'm not coming here to troll - Elysians are a particular love of mine and I prefer other Elysian players know the lore around such an expensive and difficult-to-play army in order to better appreciate it.

 Scout Sniper J. wrote:
However, they cannot wear the bulky Power Armor worn by their Space Marine brethren, as the mass of the armor would heavily increase their terminal velocity, and decease the effectiveness of the Grav-Chutes they employ to drop from low orbit.

Not to be picky about this, but scientifically this statement is wrong and a lot of engineers and physics majors will likely call you ignorant for this. Terminal velocity is achieved when the force of gravity (Fg) is equal to the force of drag (Fd). Mass has nothing to do with it.

I'm not digging the historical fluff, especially about resurrection and telepathy either. Elysians, to me, have always epitomized a cross between the Imperial Guard's dying in droves and the gritty, dirty, and tedious nature of modern 21st century combat. Being resurrected just seems to go against all of that, even the Tanith First and Only had a pretty hard time convincing me with some of the stuff that was written in the BL novels. It also calls into question that a regiment with such close ties to the Inquisition would likely be investigated heavily for telepathy or arcane magicks. Remember that Elysians don't field psykers either.

Also, Elysia is in the Segmentum Solar near Armageddon, Fenris is in the Segmentum Obscurus, quite a fair distance from one another - Elysian Drop Troop regiments are all-volunteer regiments raised from experienced Elysian PDF regiments that have seen at least one combat tour against local pirates within the Elysia System. I believe that the 1st Elysian Regiment also has fluff from the old Codex: Eye of Terror book, I remember they were stationed in Ultima Segmentum near the Eye of Terror during the 12th (or 13th, I may be wrong here) Black Crusade.

 Enigwolf wrote:
Firstly, I just wanted to state that in this post, I'm not coming here to troll - Elysians are a particular love of mine and I prefer other Elysian players know the lore around such an expensive and difficult-to-play army in order to better appreciate it.

 Scout Sniper J. wrote:
However, they cannot wear the bulky Power Armor worn by their Space Marine brethren, as the mass of the armor would heavily increase their terminal velocity, and decease the effectiveness of the Grav-Chutes they employ to drop from low orbit.

Not to be picky about this, but scientifically this statement is wrong and a lot of engineers and physics majors will likely call you ignorant for this. Terminal velocity is achieved when the force of gravity (Fg) is equal to the force of drag (Fd). Mass has nothing to do with it.

Well, it technically does, although it has a very small impact. For example, if you drop a bowling ball and a marble at the same time, the marble would technically hit the ground first, as it has less surface area. So, I should probably change that part, but my point is that a bowling ball would have more force hitting the ground, and take more time to arrive, which seems the opposite of what the Elysians want. I get your point. I was kind of tired last night, and this is more of a 'rough draft,' where I am trying to get the main ideas across. (this is why I don't want a physics major)

 Scout Sniper J. wrote:
I'm not digging the historical fluff, especially about resurrection and telepathy either. Elysians, to me, have always epitomized a cross between the Imperial Guard's dying in droves and the gritty, dirty, and tedious nature of modern 21st century combat. Being resurrected just seems to go against all of that, even the Tanith First and Only had a pretty hard time convincing me with some of the stuff that was written in the BL novels. It also calls into question that a regiment with such close ties to the Inquisition would likely be investigated heavily for telepathy or arcane magicks. Remember that Elysians don't field psykers either.

I think you are right; I was trying to come up with an excuse to use wolves as bodyguards. I guess I'd better keep thinking... (this is why I don't want a creative writing major)

 Scout Sniper J. wrote:
Also, Elysia is in the Segmentum Solar near Armageddon, Fenris is in the Segmentum Obscurus, quite a fair distance from one another - Elysian Drop Troop regiments are all-volunteer regiments raised from experienced Elysian PDF regiments that have seen at least one combat tour against local pirates within the Elysia System. I believe that the 1st Elysian Regiment also has fluff from the old Codex: Eye of Terror book, I remember they were stationed in Ultima Segmentum near the Eye of Terror during the 12th (or 13th, I may be wrong here) Black Crusade.

Yeah, that's also right. I guess that they will be two wolves that he found in the wild in some forest/ice world near Elysia, and the became his brothers. I am just trying to find ways to make my army 'stand out' from the other Elysian armies. Hopefully, some new ideas will come to me while I am painting. This is my first time making up fluff, and like I said, I am trying to make excuses for me to use wolfs as bodyguards. (this is also why I don't want a creative writing major) I appreciate your input!

Okay, I got my camera working.

The Regimental Standard is 'assembled,' but not painted. The cool thing about it is that the 'box' conforms perfectly to the back of all drop troopers, so I can remove/attach it at will. I'm guessing that you guys aren't interested in a partially painted Vendetta or terrain board (which is basically a 6' by 4' piece of plywood spray painted brown.) It looks like the FW package I ordered won't arrive until Wednesday, even though I ordered by the FW express shipping deadline... *sigh* (It's their fault, not mine!) That means that I will have more time to finish my terrain board before becoming overloaded. There are a few pictures below:

nice very simple, very effective.

I see you went with the backpack banner idea. Looks good.

Yeah, now I just have to decide what color to paint the flag...

Here is the hologram machine partially built. I used a combo of legos, paper clips (so many uses!), green stuff, super glue, various bits from LRBT and Valk kits, and some monoculars.

i like it. well done.

 Briancj wrote:
PSSSSSSSSSSSSSST!

Four assembled-and-primed Valks for $50 each. Four available. Buy all four, cheap shipping. I'd buy them if I wasn't unemployed, broke, and already owned 4 Valk hulls.

THIS IS A MAJOR, MAJOR STEAL AT THIS PRICE.

Go get 'em.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Guard-Valkyrie-/170941319580?pt=Games_US&hash=item27cce5899c

Too bad I already spent my money on FW...

thats quite rip off for a built and primed valk. for 16$ i get to build and convert it. -_- should be 40$ a valk to make it decent.

Sorry for lack of updates. I was actually sick and vomiting every few hours (even in the middle of the night!) for the last four days. But anyway, here is the FW stuff.

Just really quickly, a problem with the Tauros Venators:
TWO ARE THE WRONG SIZE!!!!!!!!!! Other than that, everything else was okay.

there are two different sized tarous jeep things. the larger one carries heavy weapons, the smaller is flamers and the sort.

I know, but the problem is that all four bags came with mulilasers/lascannons and said 'Tauros Venator,' which is what I ordered, but two had the wrong sized chassis. I hope they can send me some replacements.