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We continue to test the system throughout the weekend. Seeing as my phone has been one of the test numbers, I'm glad that I have unlimited texting. So far 81 Championships players and 48 teams have signed up. Keep em coming so we can pre-populate the software.

Warhammer 40K FAQ and Orders Sheet Update

With AdeptiCon less than a week away, and no Games Workshop Codex: Chaos Deamons FAQ in sight, we want to get a few more questions answered and clarifications posted. Version 1.2 of the AdeptiCon 2013 40K Rules Addendum and FAQ has been posted. New rulings since the last version appear in red. This is the final update to the FAQ prior to the convention.

After several rounds of terrain setup and playtesting, the Pre-deployment Orders Sheets for the various Warhammer 40K events have been amended to bring them further in line with W40K6e and to give players a little more wiggle room when setting up tables. The Pre-deployment Orders Sheet will be included in every event packet. the changes are as follows:

Fortifications: Starting with the player who chose table halves, players alternate placing any fortifications wholly within the owning player's table half and not within 4" of another fortification. (There was previously a required 5" distance from the board edge for fortifications)

No terrain piece can be placed within 4" of another terrain piece, fortification or the board edge. (This was previously 5")

And finally, the Second Founding Podcast rounded up Greg Sparks and Brad Chester to go over the basic pre-deployment orders as they will be played at AdeptiCon 2013. You can watch a video of the step-by-step process over on YouTube.

Adepticon giveth, Adepticon taketh away?

A Fiend of Slaanesh’s Soporific Musk cannot reduce a model’s Initiative Characteristic below Initiative 1. [pg. 57, C:CD]

There's a reversal. Pity if anyone had changed their armies as a result of the previous ruling, but it was awfully generous before.

This one, though....

While making Pile In moves, if both players’ moves in a particular Initiative step are insufficient to bring any combatants back together, but Pile In moves in subsequent Initiative steps that turn would be sufficient to do so, the assault continues normally. [pg. 23, W40KRB]

I'm curious what motivated that. We don't need to dig into the rules discussion here (there's an existing thread for that), but the poll that spawned that particular discussion thread shows, if not consensus, at least a very definite trend towards the opposite viewpoint.

 Janthkin wrote:
Adepticon giveth, Adepticon taketh away?

A Fiend of Slaanesh’s Soporific Musk cannot reduce a model’s Initiative Characteristic below Initiative 1. [pg. 57, C:CD]

There's a reversal. Pity if anyone had changed their armies as a result of the previous ruling, but it was awfully generous before.

Well, it was a contentious issue from the get-go. The straw that broke the camels back though was the realization that Blessings and Maledictions have a cap on lowering stats to 1. Given that the Aquiesence power does essentially the exact same thing as Soporific Musk, the idea of having two rules doing totally different things based on what easily could be a simple omission didn't sit right with a lot of those voting. There were still standing firm to the end that Soporific Musk should be able to lower Initiative to 0 and this means the model doesn't get to attack in combat (if it is attacking at its Initiative value), but it was now ultimately less votes than the reversal position.

This one, though....

While making Pile In moves, if both players’ moves in a particular Initiative step are insufficient to bring any combatants back together, but Pile In moves in subsequent Initiative steps that turn would be sufficient to do so, the assault continues normally. [pg. 23, W40KRB]

I'm curious what motivated that. We don't need to dig into the rules discussion here (there's an existing thread for that), but the poll that spawned that particular discussion thread shows, if not consensus, at least a very definite trend towards the opposite viewpoint.

I obviously made sure the poll results were well known. However, in this particular case I don't think there was any dissenting votes. As I've agrued in the rules thread, I firmly stand by the fact that the rules in this particular case can be interpreted either way. In addition, nobody seemed to think that including a single higher Initiative model in a combat should suddenly cause a bunch of warriors staring each other in the face not to fight each other, when if that model wasn't there they would fight.

Given that Init doesn't (in general) have a cap preventing it from going to zero, the other possible ruling on Fiends would have been that they can lower the enemy Init to zero, but the models then fight on Init 0, after 1. The assault rules do describe the attack sequence as running from 10 to 1, but that could be taken as a general case, and things that reduce to I0 an unusual exception. That would have allowed Fiends to act more like Assault Grenades rather than leaving Skull Cannons the only such ability in the codex.

Still, as long as we have a ruling I'm happy. I think this ruling is probably more likely to be GW's intent than was the "can't attack at all" ruling.

Fiends should still be able to hit before units in cover. And the way it's set they won't be able to now. And with less than a week till the event making this change is a little messed up in my opinion. I'm not playing daemons but if I was I'd be less than happy at the 100% flip. Somewhere in the middle (i.e. still allowing people to fight at Initiative 0) would have been far more acceptable given the shortened time frame of the ruling.

The other one is how everyone around here played it anyway so I'm not seeing an issue with that one. Hadn't heard it another way but now that I have I can see how that makes sense.

AdeptiContests 2013 Live Feed Trivia

Wonder what happens at AdeptiCon, but can not attend this year? No worries. Not only do we have you covered, but you may win some free stuff by checking in on the action. Our free stuff may even include the Hot New AdeptiCon Dice, a KR Multicase Aluminum 200 troop carrying case and more.

For the second year in a row, AdeptiCon will be streaming live video feeds from multiple gaming halls over the course of the weekend. Live feeds will showcase events for 40K, Fantasy, Warmachine/Hordes, Malifaux and plenty of others. During these events, we will run a trivia contest for AdeptiCon swag. Tune in to the live feeds, answer the questions and e-mail your answers to contests@adepticon.org. Don’t worry; we’ll put instructions on the screen with each question. Each correct answer will earn you one entry into a drawing for some free stuff. It’s that easy. So keep an eye on AdeptiCon.org and the AdeptiCon Facebook page for the video coverage info and start planning to attend AdeptiCon 2014!

In the case of the Fiends of Slaanesh soporific musk ability the FAQ ruling was one that the group wasn't totally comfortable with but lacking a clear path from Games Workshop or relevant related rule it was decided to take the presented wording at face value. Since that decision was made two significant factors influenced our opinion to revise the ruling:

1.) Weapons with the unwieldy rule changed the modified initiative from 0 to 1, in our minds gaining a significant bonus from what is intended to be a negative effect was evidence that something was not quite right with the original interpretation.

2.) Secondly, and more importantly maledictions state that they can never modify a stat below one or above ten. Given that Acquiescence is an identical effect from a different source that would have to follow the rules stated for maledictions the position for soporific musk became untenable.

Ultimately that left us with two choices so close to the event, leave a ruling that given the new knowledge was clearly wrong or publish a correction. In this case we choose to publish a correction. We recognize that our first interpretation was off the mark and felt more comfortable addressing it prior to the convention. We understand this may cause some frustration for those players who were heavily invested in this particular ruling. Short of offering it as an excuse, the relative rapid fire release of codices and the first year of a new edition has proven challenging.

VIG News
Extra, extra - read all about it. AdeptiCon VIGs not only have the usual perks, but also receive some bonus material from our gracious sponsors. These include:

(1) Cool Mini or Not Zombicide figure from the new release.
(1) Rust Forge Crates packet
(1) Secret Weapon Ink and Base
(1) Spikey Bits $10 off booth only coupon + templates (while supplies last)
(1) Tectonic Craft Studios 15% off booth discount coupon
(1) Zombie Smith Figure coupon

Charity Items
The AdeptiCon charity raffle has raised thousands of dollars in the past two years and once again looks to break records with all 2013 funds going to Wounded Warrior Project. Raffle prizes include.

* Charity Raffle Army Painted by GMM Studios & Supplied by Chaosmailorder.com, Dragon Forge Design and AdeptiCon.
* Badger Air-Brush Kit with compressor, air hose & brush, and a full set of Minitaire paints w/ clear coats and retarder.
* Table War MKII Full-size Display Tower case
* Table War MKI Half-size Display Tower case
* Black Library Horus Heresy collectors hardback novel (8 of them)
* KR Multicase Aluminium case for your Star Wars collection
* Smooth-On Starter Kits
* Malifaux Grab Bags
* and more....

You can buy tickets at the AdeptiCon registration desk. The drawing will be held on Sunday, April 21, 2013 in the Westin Grand Ballroom during the 40K Team Tournament Awards ceremony. So come join the fun and support for a great cause.

Free Stuff for the Masses
AdeptiCon has worked hard to with our sponsors to have a variety of give-aways for each attendee. With other 1,700 items a lot of AdeptiCon attendees will have an opportunity to pick-up one cool and unique item from the following:

* Mantic Half Pitch and Dreadball Team
* MERCS CCC Assault Leader
* Ninja Division - Robotech Miniature
* Outlaw Miniatures Wild West Exodus Model
* Table War Unit Tray and Diorama Washer

Attendees will receive a card to pick-up their free item at each company' booth in the vendor hall throughout the weekend.


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Torgo, Jacques and Paint: Together at Last!

Sculpted by Victoria Lamb : Painted by Mathieu Fontaine (Studio Akaranseth)


Sculpted by Mike Evans : Painted by Mathieu Fontaine (Studio Akaranseth)

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Can't wait to pick up my VIG bag. Was totally worth it last year, not even counting the amount of time it saved during registration

Anyone flying into Midway tomorrow afternoon who's interested in sharing a shuttle, shoot me a PM with your cell #. I'll be checking my messages again in the morning. Me and a friend are flying Southwest landing ~2pm, and will be grabbing a shuttle around 2:30 or so. It's substantially cheaper than a taxi, and the more people we have, the cheaper it gets (usually around $20 or so per person depending on how many people, including tip & tolls).

See everyone there!

Im getting into midway at 440 so as mannahnin said anyone want to share a ride send me a pm.

Hey, I am flying in tomorrow from Seattle. Hope to meet tons of people from Dakkadakka. This will be my first (and probably only) year going, so I want to see everyone. I am landing at like 1.AM, so I doubt I will see anyone that night (high school comes first). Hopefully the line won't be too long on Thursday.

Is there an Adepticon meet-up thread posted here or do we have to hunt each other the old fashioned way?

I don't think we did a proper meetup thread this year. I'll be wearing a green shirt tomorrow whose front is covered with silhouettes of GW models. And for most of the rest of the weekend will be wearing black shirts with the name of my team- Cold Steel Mercs. There should be a few of us, but I I'm the only one with a long ponytail. Feel free to say hi!

I'm headed to the airport shortly. Can't wait!

Ouch! My training for tomorrow got canceled but as such there is no way I can get cleared and too Adepticon before a 0900 Champs SP time. Never seen a GT start on a Thursday Morning. :( Came close to making the event. Best of luck to all involved.

Warning, right now the midway airport is closed due to rain, so check your flight status if you're flying in tonight.

Our plane is in a holding pattern now...

 yakface wrote:

Warning, right now the midway airport is closed due to rain, so check your flight status if you're flying in tonight.

Our plane is in a holding pattern now...

Wait a tick... then you shouldn't be on that phone.

Onboard wifi, baby.


And now sitting in Indiana waiting for an update.

Why don't you have a private jet? Time to raise DCM prices and sell out to GW!

Trying to get out of Washington dc still, on my fourth flight attempt and second airline, been at the airport since noon, most recent chance is leaving at 930 pm, weeeeee

Yeah, we deboarded. I have a feeling I won't be getting out of here tonight.

I blame Adepticon for this weather.

The line for this year is incredible.

I am worried I wont be able to get through the "normal guest" line tomorrow. Yikes, that line is long.

I've searched the adepticon site and the thread... Is there going to be live game coverage on Ustream this year? If so what's the channel? I would love to watch!

Concerning the revised fiends ruling. Were you aware of the following errata when you made your decision?

"Page 22 - Fight sub-phase, initiative steps. Change the bolded text to read 'Work your way through the Initiative values of the models in the combat, starting with the highest and ending with the lowest.'"

Given that this specifically replaces the segment of the rules mentioning I10-I1 (unless I'm missing something), it seems to me that the obvious rules interpretation would be that the Fiends are able to reduce a model's initiative to 0 (as the rules say that initiative can be reduced to 0, and only maledictions, which the Fiends' special rule is not, have a stated cap of 1). The unit going at 0 initiative would then go after anything charging through cover, but they would still be allowed to attack. The I1 buff from unwieldy is certainly odd, but a relatively obscure rules confluence, and it's more likely to be deserving of an FAQ than the Fiends' ability. It seems to me that the RAW is clear for the way that Fiends work, given the rulebook FAQ, and it is not the decision that the Adepticon team settled on. Given the short timing of your switch, especially, I anticipate quite a few very sad Daemons players in the next couple of days.

What is everyone's prediction for top 3 armies in the 40k champs?

Im thinking:
Necron + ally
GK + ally
Necron + ally

I definately think GK/somebody, and some sort of IG will be in top 3 Ill bet necrons in some form as well.

 Tomb King wrote:
What is everyone's prediction for top 3 armies in the 40k champs?

Im thinking:
Necron + ally
GK + ally
Necron + ally

I'm thinking about what you are, though I wouldn't be surprised if GKs don't make it/don't make it as a primary detachment. I'd love to see Daemons or CSM make it to the top somehow, though.