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Also from what they read about him ... he gets a AP2 holocost that ignores cover ... i think he will be good.

Got a theory for ya. Just a theory mind. Apologies if this has already been said elsewhere.

I reckon Chaos will get a release on the 22nd / 23rd September. Remember the Ultimate Battle of Ultimate Destiny that GW did? It was an instore character painting competition, culminating in a royal rumble of each entered miniature. The aim of the event was to decide the theme of Games Day UK, and evil won out. I can't see that they'd expend all that effort without it resulting in a big release, and the follow up race to the starter box set would be a pretty big deal. I mean, it's gotta be more than a load of posters hasn't it!

 kenzosan wrote:

 Amaya wrote:

Is there anything about whether Typhus still automatically makes successful casts?

If not, what's his point value worth? Rumor was his point value was the same and he wasn't gaining anything other than Psycher level 2. If that's it and he looses auto cast then I'll be so pissed. I mean that is not an even trade at all.

Isn't he suppose to make Cultists into plague Zombies? Give them FNP, Fearless, Fear and whatnot?

Hashulaman wrote:

 kenzosan wrote:

 Amaya wrote:

Is there anything about whether Typhus still automatically makes successful casts?

If not, what's his point value worth? Rumor was his point value was the same and he wasn't gaining anything other than Psycher level 2. If that's it and he looses auto cast then I'll be so pissed. I mean that is not an even trade at all.

Isn't he suppose to make Cultists into plague Zombies? Give them FNP, Fearless, Fear and whatnot?

There's that, too.

Curious wrote:

Hashulaman wrote:

 kenzosan wrote:

 Amaya wrote:

Is there anything about whether Typhus still automatically makes successful casts?

If not, what's his point value worth? Rumor was his point value was the same and he wasn't gaining anything other than Psycher level 2. If that's it and he looses auto cast then I'll be so pissed. I mean that is not an even trade at all.

Isn't he suppose to make Cultists into plague Zombies? Give them FNP, Fearless, Fear and whatnot?

There's that, too.

And has his own warlord trait from what I've heard.

Must resist urge to make Typhus army with corrupted Sisters of Nurgle and hordes of Zombies.

 Amaya wrote:
Must resist urge to make Typhus army with corrupted Sisters of Nurgle and hordes of Zombies.

Why would you resist that? That's awesome.

Its expensive, that's a reason

NOW ALL WE NEED ARE LEAKED PICTURES

(*HINT HINT* GW PEOPLE)

 progreen10 wrote:
NOW ALL WE NEED ARE LEAKED PICTURES

(*HINT HINT* GW PEOPLE)

This...

We need some new rumors about the codex itself! Maybe some will pop up this week now that the furor over the new starter is fading.

Considering the WD is supposed to drop before the last week of the month (just like this month) I wouldn't expect anything til a week earlier; IE: Two weeks from now.

Cool information, though it looks like the Hellbrute is just an unnecessarily re-named Dreadnought that's going to be largely useless in 6E and certainly so within the context of the starter set sadly.

A bit early for that. Some rumors had it having the It Will Not Die! rule, which could help a bit.

I hope so, that would be nice, as otherwise now it just looks like they re-named chaos dreads for kicks and giggles and put a useless unit with a big AT gun in a starter set where it's the only vehicle and the opposing army can destroy it quickly with ease.

I suppose we'll have to wait for the chaos codex to come out to be sure, I really hope I'm wrong on my initial assessment there.

Helbrutes are dandy but I bet the cc oblits (if real) will be the real winners.

Strength 5 pfists, lclaws or power weapons? 2+/5+*?

Strength 10 non-S&P unit, yes please.

Tomb Kings Ushabti, goooooooo!

The only thing worth noticing is that the cultist champion has a str 4 shotgun, and not str 3 like the IG shotguns.

Hold everything! The Chosen have 2 attacks base!

 Vaktathi wrote:
I hope so, that would be nice, as otherwise now it just looks like they re-named chaos dreads for kicks and giggles and put a useless unit with a big AT gun in a starter set where it's the only vehicle and the opposing army can destroy it quickly with ease.

I suppose we'll have to wait for the chaos codex to come out to be sure, I really hope I'm wrong on my initial assessment there.

I'm going to point out that if you play Island of blood stright out of the starter set with the rules given, the High Elfs have a distinct advantage. Well the High Elfs are still listed with their USR's like always strikes 1st, the skavan do not get their special rules. I can't remember the name of the rules, but bassicly the ones that allows your heros to lead from the back of a unit, and the one that gives you a better LD with the more guys you have in the unit.

It's very easy for a High Elf unit to just hit a skavan block, kill a bunch of guys, and then the Skavan unit breaks and get's run down.


So Chaos could be suffering the same problem here. The force isn't actually good, unless you buy the codex that gives you the rest of the rules. The only problem is they haven't actully released said codex yet.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hold everything! The Chosen have 2 attacks base!

Correct. In the current CSM Codex, Chosen only have 1 base, with the champion having 2. If Chosen get 2 base, then that means 3 with close combat weapon and pistol, and 4 on the charge, and potentially 5 attacks for the champion if he gets +1 attack over his squad (and hopefully +1 leadership too).

Not too shabby, especially if you can take tons of power weapons. Now if we can give them special rules like Rage and Furious Charge through the Marks and Icons, they become a squad that gets 6 attacks on the charge at str 5.

Finally. Useful.

2 attacks base chosen yay!


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Wait... On the Chaos overview it shows the Helbrute as 3 attacks, and in the roster it says 2. Woo!

Chosen were always useful, but not in the cc role. The ability to take a small outflanking squad armed with a ton of melta/plasma in a drive by rhino is quite good.


And personally with the new edition I still prefer them in the shooty role.

Fair enough, just thinking about special melee kitted-out chosen. 1 attack currently is blah for that. I used to use 5 Plasmagun Chosen as well.

Glad to see the Ravenwing biker's extra attack went to a good cause. I'm glad the Chosen got the upgrade to a proper veteran statline even if the Ravenwing didn't. The Chosen needed the boost.

Vaktathi wrote:Cool information, though it looks like the Hellbrute is just an unnecessarily re-named Dreadnought that's going to be largely useless in 6E and certainly so within the context of the starter set sadly.

I don't know, it serves its use. It teaches all the unindoctrinated chaos players the lesson we've all learned over the last few years... leave the Chaos dread at home.

Hellbrute would be a good start for an Obliterator conversion or Daemon Prince. Using its actual rules is a bit of a waste.

Hellbrutes are going for £10 on ebay, so still cheaper than actual oblits amaya


On the plus side, im liking the more combat orientated chaos.
Takes me back to the warm place where my prince ran about with a glaive and a ton of other stuff tearing through units

Might mean i can finally run a zerker army again!
This time with some options though lol.


CC oblits seem interesting.
Ill be honest, i havent read through every page, but whats the ruling on them?
Cant see anything about a higher initiative or S&P being removed, which if thats the case, they are pretty much dead before swinging.

I dunno, if the Hellbrute gets access to the butcher cannon then that might be a worthwhile investment...

 Vaktathi wrote:
Cool information, though it looks like the Hellbrute is just an unnecessarily re-named Dreadnought that's going to be largely useless in 6E and certainly so within the context of the starter set sadly.

The rumors state in the new codex, helbrutes will be able to use twin linked reaper autocanons or a butcher canon, and the crazed rule is going to be changed to "fire at closest enemy twice, or closest friendly if there is no enemy in range"

So if that is true, it will be pretty useful IMO