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Does the new Farseer's 2-part torso look like it would fit well on a set of jetbike legs? It can't be that had to do.
Would the odd-shaped hole in the base suggest the legs would fit on the chariot-style transport of the new Nuadhu?

Man, nothing like reading Tau whining in the Eldar rumor thread.

Perfect Organism wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

Spoiler:

You saw it here first!

I was expecting something more like one of the Towering Destroyers, but the Bright Stallion would fit better on the oval base, wouldn't it?

First concept sketches leaked

Kroot! Stop getting the Brownys all riled up!

Quark wrote:
Man, nothing like reading Tau whining in the Eldar rumor thread.

It was more about how the Eldar's new codex will most likely suck, as every other 6th edition update has so far. Tau are the most recent, and my favorite army, hence...

Judging from the rumors it doesn't sound like that will be far off. Mostly copy/paste with minimal changes. Though the possibility of having FOC manipulation is at least something.

Anyway, the Eldar ponies...are those actually a thing, or is that model built from scratch?

Those are Epic scale Knight Titans, very real. There was a scratch built one made of FW parts once, and an old resin Armorcast style one that I believe was a test run.

On the Tau Empire Multi-tracker, it is automatically included with Battlesuits, no need to purchase it, and it is unavailable to any non suit units. Rules were placed with the other wargear for ease of use, not as a missed item.

On the Eldar, I hope the large wraith construct is like the Centaur looking model. I like it, and it would be quite unique. The Autarch ability sounds interesting, and actually helps with the way I build my Eldar lists, hope that part is true as I like the Swordwind Host as my go to army.

 megatrons2nd wrote:
On the Tau Empire Multi-tracker, it is automatically included with Battlesuits, no need to purchase it, and it is unavailable to any non suit units. Rules were placed with the other wargear for ease of use, not as a missed item.

Wait, really?

Oh, wow. I've looked through this book multiple times and skipped that every single time. I didn't know that page had vital rules information on it, I thought it was just pointless fluff with a cool battlesuit comparison picture to go with it, so I always ignored it. I saw armor saves listed but was like "Well that's pointless, I know what their saves are because they're already in the unit's profile."

One would think the multi-tracker and blacksun filter would be listed under "wargear" in the profile and not put somewhere randomly in the middle of the book, outside the army list.

Well, that's GW editing for you.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
On the Tau Empire Multi-tracker, it is automatically included with Battlesuits, no need to purchase it, and it is unavailable to any non suit units. Rules were placed with the other wargear for ease of use, not as a missed item.

Wait, really?

Oh, wow. I've looked through this book multiple times and skipped that every single time. I didn't know that page had vital rules information on it, I thought it was just pointless fluff with a cool battlesuit comparison picture to go with it, so I always ignored it. I saw armor saves listed but was like "Well that's pointless, I know what their saves are because they're already in the unit's profile."

One would think the multi-tracker and blacksun filter would be listed under "wargear" in the profile and not put somewhere randomly in the middle of the book, outside the army list.

do i note a slight softening of your opinion on it all?

on other matters i hope eldar is made on par with the rest of the codex's no power creep no BS. just make the viable and solid and people will buy them up... and maybe my wallet will cry.... im trying very hard at this point NOT to get tau allies for my CSM as i already have demons :(

Out Of Curiosity, do we have a potential month for a release for these guys? MIGHT it be a double elf month or will it be waiting until after Space Marines?

 Sidstyler wrote:
One would think the multi-tracker and blacksun filter would be listed under "wargear" in the profile and not put somewhere randomly in the middle of the book, outside the army list.

Really? Since 4th Ed Eldar Codex format has been completely fubar. Of course nothing is where it's meant to be. It's placed throughout the book seemingly at random cinematic.

it's very cinematic to have to stop a game to flip around a codex randomly trying to figure out where this piece of war gear is located.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Quark wrote:
Man, nothing like reading Tau whining in the Eldar rumor thread.

It was more about how the Eldar's new codex will most likely suck, as every other 6th edition update has so far. Tau are the most recent, and my favorite army, hence...

Judging from the rumors it doesn't sound like that will be far off. Mostly copy/paste with minimal changes. Though the possibility of having FOC manipulation is at least something.

Anyway, the Eldar ponies...are those actually a thing, or is that model built from scratch?

Great. Here we go again. Space Marine players (Not saying Sid is a SM player just his comment on how people are saying 6th edition codex's sucking) complaining how the new codex's suck because they are dull, boring etc all over again. I just hope it doesn't mean a shift in GW design philosophy again and the new SM codex will be OP and complete opposite of previous codex's before it.

 Sidstyler wrote:

A whole bunch of snip

You mean the multitracker which comes as part of every battlesuit as standard? That's the multitracker you're moaning about not being able to find points cost for?

Bit late shade. That's been dealt with.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bit late shade. That's been dealt with.

Indeed, I have noticed. Still, I wonder how many other Tau players out there haven't realized that the suits come with a couple pretty nifty bits of equipment as standard now.

I think that the plastic Farseer looks pretty ace, as have nearly all of the single-sprue plastic characters for both Fantasy and 40K. My only complaint with them is price. As HBMC said, the Aspiring Champion is a great model - I bought two just to do conversions. And the mono-pose is not a huge problem, since plastic makes for easy conversions. $20+ for one mini is pushing it though, even if the fig is an HQ or something.

Kroot, that was awesome. Between that and your post on how the Flying Elf Boat works you totally win the Internet today.

I'm surprised to see so many people thinking the plastic Farseer looks good when you can't even see it properly, it's just the sprue

I'd like to see it as a completed model first, I usually dislike plastic character models because they lack the sharp detail of resin or metal models.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm surprised to see so many people thinking the plastic Farseer looks good when you can't even see it properly, it's just the sprue

I'd like to see it as a completed model first, I usually dislike plastic character models because they lack the sharp detail of resin or metal models.

Hah; you mean like this?

It's a mock-up that someone patched together from the sprue pieces on Faeit212.

Speaking of which, Stickmonkey has an update of old stuff via Faeit:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/04/eldar-what-is-to-come.html#more

Yesterday was a ton of fun, as it was full of Eldar everywhere. This morning Stickmonkey is chiming in on what he knew was being worked one from his own sources some time ago. He very much says that much of his information is old, and is trying to help us decipher what it is that is coming from what he knows and what is currently in the rumor mill.

Please remember that these are rumors. Salt is always required.

via Stickmonkey from the Faeit 212 inbox
Stickmonkey here again, Fwiw, I reported this along time ago so im not sure how valid it still is.

Eldar were supposedly getting the following:

New tank chassis, 2 builds, between falcon and cobra in size, one build had transport capacity and some type of melta or flame based weapon (fusion cannon iirc) the other build was essentially a flakk cannon, but not the same as the fw firestorm, bigger tl guns.

There was a new avatar sculpt but im pretty sure that ended up being a designer test seen at GD

Wraithguard get a plastic box with new weapon variants. Lots of rumors of dial build, but nothing i've heard enough of to know what's true.

Heavy rumors of new jetbikes, building guardian and shining spears.

However, it seems to be a trend not to release too many rehash boxes. If we got wraithguard, jetbikes, and an avatar all in this release, well Ill be broke and need new shorts.

Rumors have pointed to a new farseer model, and thats all but confirmed by your recent post.

The bomber and fighter do not share a box from everything I've heard. The fighter is "very" similar to the nightwing, except for the wing shape. One of the two is rumored to use some form of distortion weapon, be it bomb or missiles i dont know.

Rumors of a new aspect exist, the word i've heard is this has something to do with wraith constructs, but really even that is too vague.

I know others have said there is a large wraith construct, but none of my sources are backing this now, fwiw.

For the release there are two new aspect exarch or p lord (not sure which) sculpts in finecast, and one named hq, these are all new scuplts, but could be old characters.

Ive been told guardians are getting a new box to make them and storm guardians. Again, i cant believe wed get so many redone plastics. But it makes sense on its own.

So to boil it down, from the new new dept could be 2 flyers, a dual build tank, a new large walker/mc, a few blisters, and a new aspect.

Then on top of that old models getting plastics.

Its just way too much for a release, so what will stick and what wont?

Seems odd considering Eldar are being rumored to have a kabadrillion new releases and boxed sets. I guess the Plastic 2012 Farseer will actually be released.

shade1313 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bit late shade. That's been dealt with.

Indeed, I have noticed. Still, I wonder how many other Tau players out there haven't realized that the suits come with a couple pretty nifty bits of equipment as standard now.

Well it's apparently not that fething hard to miss. It's not really a logical place to put that kind of info, and I'm even saying that as someone who's used to this stupid format by now, and having to flip around the book to find gak. And I'd hardly say I was "moaning" about it, it was one line in a post full of a lot of other, more legitimate complaints.

Whatever, I'll admit I'm fething stupid and simply didn't find it during my first dozen flip-throughs of the book. Guess I was too distracted by all the obvious, heavy-handed and unnecessary nerfs that all my other units got to notice that there was one other good thing that came out of the codex, besides a price drop for a unit no one will ever use again because it isn't a flyer. But please don't let that stop anyone from harping on me about it.

Davor wrote:Great. Here we go again. Space Marine players (Not saying Sid is a SM player just his comment on how people are saying 6th edition codex's sucking) complaining how the new codex's suck because they are dull, boring etc all over again. I just hope it doesn't mean a shift in GW design philosophy again and the new SM codex will be OP and complete opposite of previous codex's before it.

I don't really understand that first part at all...are you saying I'm an SM player or not, because you pretty obviously insinuated I was and then put the disclaimer after saying you weren't actually saying what you said. I'm not, by the way, never have been and don't really plan to start.

In any case I fully expect that design shift you're talking about to happen regardless. If the next SM codex doesn't completely dominate the game and make every other 6th edition release look like utter gak in comparison I'll be quite surprised. Means GW took a risk and continued to pursue this rumored "balance" they're supposedly trying to achieve in an attempt to save their dying, flagship game, instead of breaking it even more in pursuit of that short-term profit they love so much. Personally I don't buy it though, if that was really their goal then they woudln't be wasting time with the rumored Apocalypse 2 that's supposed to come out this year.

Pfft, figures Eldar would be the ones to get a new heavy tank, I want that gak. The flyer rumors are interesting, I thought the new trend was making them all dual-kits? Also find it odd that they would make it similar to the FW model since they've sorta stopped doing that after the valkyrie kit, and missed a couple opportunities to do that with Chaos and Tau. Personally though I don't see most of this stuff sticking, there were a lot of crazy rumors for the new Tau codex that all turned out to be crap in the end. If nothing else I'd say new jetbikes would be a given though.

 Skinnereal wrote:
Does the new Farseer's 2-part torso look like it would fit well on a set of jetbike legs? It can't be that had to do.
Would the odd-shaped hole in the base suggest the legs would fit on the chariot-style transport of the new Nuadhu?

I think that hole matches the bottom left bit as decoration for the base.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's absolutely bonkers to waste warehouse space on stock that won't be released for another year.

Exactly, plus the fact that they would have to pay taxes on all that inventory at year's end. Any business I know of that sells something tries to turn it's inventory several times in a year to maintain profitability. Lean manufacturing techniques involve keeping the inventory small and thereby maximizing profit by developing a pull system for product instead of a push system.

 Absolutionis wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm surprised to see so many people thinking the plastic Farseer looks good when you can't even see it properly, it's just the sprue

I'd like to see it as a completed model first, I usually dislike plastic character models because they lack the sharp detail of resin or metal models.

Hah; you mean like this?

Err, no.

 Sidstyler wrote:

S8 is actually better than S10 at destroying heavy armor, what broadsides were designed for and what they've been good at until now.
(It's also wise to take away a shooting army's ability to destroy heavy armor at range, mitigating one of the only strengths they had.)
S3 with no bonus attacks, stealth that only works if the board is covered in forest terrain (most aren't, and good luck at tournaments), and weak guns that require you to sacrifice movement in order to use them at all are awesome for assault troops. It's also totally worth spending 15 points on a leader for said assault troops that basically doesn't provide any buffs or real benefit whatsoever.
18 points for BS3, S3, Ld 6 infantry with one wound and one whole attack at I6 with S5 guns is an amazing value, especially in a slot where they have to compete with flyers.
On that note, expensive flyers with weak armor and S5 weapons is totally strong compared to other flyers.
Stealth suits are still worth using even though they compete for slots with crisis suits that can be outfitted to do what they do, and better.
It's worth paying about 200 points for a giant bullet magnet Gundam with either 12 S6 shots or a single S9 large blast template, both of which have a chance of backfiring and wounding the Gundam.
The hammerhead submunition is totally worth paying 5 points for even though it was barely ever used when it was a regular function of the weapon. The hammerhead is also worthy of the title "gunship" when it has weak S5 weapons and has lost the ability to move as a fast vehicle so that it can actually use them in addition to its main gun.
Sky rays are awesome because you can finally use them as anti-air for a whole six shots and then do absolutely jack feth for the rest of the game.
Expensive characters that don't offer any kind of FOC manipulation and kinda suck at what they're designed to do are actually good.
Not providing buffs to an army's crappy troops so that they stop being crappy, or shifting other crappy units to troops to make up for it (like stealth/crisis suits or even pathfinders via the aforementioned non-existant FOC manipulation) makes them "a strong codex".

Seriously, the only thing, the only thing that got better with this codex, was the removal of 1+ restrictions (which was a given) and the piranha got a slight price drop...but it's still bad, and especially when it competes for slots with the new flyer, which as bad as it is might as well be mandatory because this is the flyers edition and you need them. Oh, and we technically kinda had neat missile drones for about five minutes before GW shut that down (an issue that was worth fixing before the codex even got into people's hands, but as of the time I'm writing this they still haven't addressed the fact that the multi-tracker technically can't be taken because it has no points cost listed on page 95 with the other support systems, despite being listed as a support system earlier on in the book). The Tau codex was a disappointment and anyone who says otherwise is simply deluding themselves. And that's the last I have to say about it.

Broadsides are no longer point click dead tank. Boo hoo. Give them skyfire and shoot down the many less than AV14 planes. Give them interceptor and chew up models coming in from reserves. Shoot up MCs, wounding on 2+ for all but GUOs and Wraithlords, with no armor saves. Go for side armor shots with the 60" range.
Kroot are extremely cheap, can mass sniper fire on a budget, can infiltrate and outflank with their Krootox. Shapers are 3 wound leaders for 20ish points. Stop using them as assault and bubble wrap, and use them as skirmishers
Vespid can shoot right through power armor, no longer drop to bolter fire, and have stealth (ruins) and move through cover. Unlike forests, ruins are not an uncommon sight on a 40K table.
Fliers that are fairly priced and armored, rather than another Nightscytle, Vendetta, or Baledrake? 4 S7 shots with either interceptor or 360 degree fire arc, depending on the plane? Pair of S8 missiles? Built in markerlight for the bomber? cheap swap of the maligned S5 gun for a S7 missile pod? ability to get a 4+ save vs interceptor weapons?
Stealth suits with Stealth, shroud, and infiltrate? Improved range on their fusion weapons and extra shots on their burst cannons?
Riptide with 5 wounds and Terminator saves with 8 shot S6 gun that can upgrade to become 3 assault cannons strapped together, or a 3 shot S7 AP2 gun that can bump strength to become an AP2 battle cannon shot at will, or with more risk, A s9 AP large blast? That can take interceptor and or skyfire? And has a jetpack move?
Yes, pay for a very flexible submunitions option which still results in a tank 10 points cheaper than before. And how often are you going to additionally need to fire secondary weapons when most the time you will be using the main 72" S10 AP1 gun to snipe tanks across the board?
Sky rays with anti-air or anti-tank, built in, and then well armored BS4 markerlights which are a tad handy to have.
Expensive characters? Compared to what? The most expensive character in the Tau book is barely more than the least expensive character in either Codex: DA or CSM, and a majority of which come with 4 wounds? One who can deepstrike with no scatter with a bunch of friends who can take practically any loadout and split fire at as many targets as they like? One who has stealth, shroud, and infiltrate, fusion blasters that can shoot at two targets, and a 3d6 jetpack move? The one that makes the target unit -1 toughness, so tau infantry is wounding marines on 2s? The one that can give 2 buffs a turn and grants a board wide Ld of 10 for morale and Ld tests?
If every book kept putting the units you want into troops at will, why bother with the FOC anymore? What is wrong with a book where you have to choose between a number of good choices to fill valuable slots?
and the multitracker issue is a non-issue, as it is addressed both in the book and the very handy fold out reference chart in the last page. Anyone who says the Tau codex was a failure is simply deluding themselves. And that's the last I have to say about it.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Personally I don't like how weightless plastic infantry feel. Especially when I'm paying $20 for a single model, makes me feel even more like I'm being ripped off.

"Durable"? More durable than fething metal? lol, maybe plastic is preferable for the people who apparently like to throw their models at the wall as hard as they can while waiting for their opponent to finish his turn, or are just the clumsiest fething people alive and somehow always drop them all on the floor every single time they sit down to play, but personally I never had that problem because I handle my models by the base and don't leave models dangling half-off the table edges, so I say metal is just fine if you aren't careless and stupid.

"Ease of conversion" wouldn't be an issue if the kit was varied enough that you could produce several types of models with it. The SM commander costs the same as the other plastic characters and has way more extra bits, options, etc. The plastic farseer, Tau fireblade, etc. all pretty much go together in one way and can only be customized if you pull out a knife and sculpting putty. Personally I don't think that's a really good selling point anyway, I mean imagine if someone tried to sell you on a car with poor stock performance because aftermarket modification is way easier than normal. Even if its true, I would expect the vehicle to be perfectly fine for the price I'm expected to pay for it even if I don't plan on modding it out. These plastic models aren't fine if the one pose they go in looks goofy or you don't like the idea that your overpriced plastic character will look exactly the same as everyone else's with the only differences being minor things like hand/head swaps.

As for "ease of assembly", if you don't know how to glue an infantry-sized metal model together, that at most never comes in more than 4-5 parts on average, then you should probably find another hobby before you hurt yourself. Modeling is hard, bring a helmet.

Durable, yes. Metal is heavier, but is far more likely to come apart at the joins and suffer from paint chipping from moderate or even minor falls, while plastic will just bounce. Especially parts that sick out, like arms and banners. People only tend to throw models against the wall in frustration or drop them on the floor regularly in infomercials, but six inches or so when trying to put a model into ruins is enough for a metal model to come apart.

Ease of conversion- Compare trying to scrape off say a shoulder pad insignia from a plastic marine mode to trying to remove it from a metal model. Even with a Dremel it is a pain. A hand swap or head swap on a plastic character is a single easy cut with a knife, compared to sawing through metal.

Ease of assembly: Plastic- cleaning mold lines little bit of time with a knife. Metal- fixing mold slip, far more work. Gluing plastic models- super glue or plastic glue, press and hold 10 seconds, done. Metal- super glue or epoxy, with drilling and pinning for more complex kits, 30 seconds to a minute holding parts into place only for them to fall off if they are bumped before the glue fully sets. And the weight of the metal works against it when gluing small parts- plastic daemonette arms are tiny connections are annoying. Metal daemonettes look far better, but are far harder to get to stay with the weight of metal and tiny connection points to glue.

 Absolutionis wrote:

Hah; you mean like this?

It's a mock-up that someone patched together from the sprue pieces on Faeit212.

Hands are upside down. The runes on the wrist are supposed to dangle below, not defy gravity. It's basically a remake of this farseer in plastic:


Eldar plastic kits, I'm betting on a Flier with 2 builds, Wraithknight with ranged and CC option, Wraithguard with CC variant, and jetbikes/shining spears. I may be wrong, but I'm rather doubtful of a new tank kit for Eldar. The Autarchs unlocking paths does make sense though. It would give all the Eldar HQs separate roles- Avatar as big monster who inspires troops. Autarch who alters the force and is more strategy/tactics focused. Farseer who is the psyker. And Phoenix Lords who are the pinnacle of their path, focused on combat.

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Durable, yes. Metal is heavier, but is far more likely to come apart at the joins and suffer from paint chipping from moderate or even minor falls, while plastic will just bounce. Especially parts that sick out, like arms and banners. People only tend to throw models against the wall in frustration or drop them on the floor regularly in infomercials, but six inches or so when trying to put a model into ruins is enough for a metal model to come apart.

Ease of conversion- Compare trying to scrape off say a shoulder pad insignia from a plastic marine mode to trying to remove it from a metal model. Even with a Dremel it is a pain. A hand swap or head swap on a plastic character is a single easy cut with a knife, compared to sawing through metal.

Ease of assembly: Plastic- cleaning mold lines little bit of time with a knife. Metal- fixing mold slip, far more work. Gluing plastic models- super glue or plastic glue, press and hold 10 seconds, done. Metal- super glue or epoxy, with drilling and pinning for more complex kits, 30 seconds to a minute holding parts into place only for them to fall off if they are bumped before the glue fully sets. And the weight of the metal works against it when gluing small parts- plastic daemonette arms are tiny connections are annoying. Metal daemonettes look far better, but are far harder to get to stay with the weight of metal and tiny connection points to glue.

When it comes to character models, the most important thing to me is how they look. I don't need each and every model in my army to have excessive detail or silly poses, but the character models should look good from both a distance and also on close inspection. Also, the character models are the ones I'm likely to spend several hours painting, so again, I want it to be worth my time to paint it. If a model has dumbed down detail in order to make it out of plastic, I'd rather it just be metal or resin (assuming they've fixed the bubbles in failcast).

I dont understand the Plastic Farseer.
They "almost" remake an awesome model in to a bland and unpersonal mono pose plastic. Not including wild flying whatever bits or choise of weapons/heads (indeed, they instead use up lots of sprue space for building a scenic base).

The only reason to do this is if its a generic farseer as part of a chariot, but you clearly see its an individual blister.
Strange.

 Fayric wrote:
I dont understand the Plastic Farseer.
They "almost" remake an awesome model in to a bland and unpersonal mono pose plastic. Not including wild flying whatever bits or choise of weapons/heads (indeed, they instead use up lots of sprue space for building a scenic base).

The only reason to do this is if its a generic farseer as part of a chariot, but you clearly see its an individual blister.
Strange.

I bet it'll be $25.00 US, too.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

Hah; you mean like this?

It's a mock-up that someone patched together from the sprue pieces on Faeit212.

Hands are upside down. The runes on the wrist are supposed to dangle below, not defy gravity. It's basically a remake of this farseer in plastic:

The top pic is a photoshop mock-up, using the shot of the sprue.
So, they can't see the other side of the hand, and used the one side for both directions.
It is a straight-up replacement for the model you linked, it seems.

So, more plastic re-releases of old models, Finecast or otherwise.
I'll have a load of that, and convert for jetbikes if they don't release Seer Council for them.

anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:I can confirm the new jetbike is awesome and looks very similar to DE one with the rider leaning forward more, a larger engine beneath/behind the rider.

the fighter is also similar to DE apart from weapon and slight changes to wing and nose shape, I'm lead to belive there are multi options to the fighters weapon systems, being shrieken cannons, , scatter laser, distortion cannon the last I may be wrong, as some sort bomb I believe is a distortion bomb is rumoured as an option