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 rohansoldier wrote:
I still plan to buy the majority of the new models in this release to add to my 4000pts of eldar but I will be doing it via an online distributor.

Sorry GW, but why would I pay your prices when I can get 20% discount and free P&P?

In a couple of years, they'll push the store prices up to match that 20% off price you can currently get...............

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
This 5 Dire Avengers for 22 pounds situation could be the straw that breaks the proverbial back.

As I said earlier, 22 pounds can get you a 2 litre bottle of vodka and a fish supper = fun lunch

Booze or 5 bits of plastic? hmmm

Where is this price confirmed or is it still just rumour?

Nothing can be confirmed until a week before release (grumble grumble, we've all heard that rant before) but at this point the rumours are usually pretty accurate.

 Redemption wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Kirby verified both the Wraithlord and Wraithknight are Heavy Support at least. I wonder if Wraithlords can be taken in units like Tyranid Carnifexes now, that'd be fun.

So I guess we'll get an overcrowded HS section, with Wraithknights, Wraithlords, Warwalkers, and tanks like Falcons and Fire Prisms.

There's plenty of stuff we don't know yet, so I wouldn't spend to much time worrying. For example, it might be possible for War Walkers to move to Fast Attack like IG Sentinels, Falcons to become dedicated transports or Fire Prisms coming in units.

All these would be great solution in order to solve the highly populated HS slot. They aren't necessarily balanced but they solve the "Ohh boy what should I pick for HS problem"... kinda...

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
This 5 Dire Avengers for 22 pounds situation could be the straw that breaks the proverbial back.

As I said earlier, 22 pounds can get you a 2 litre bottle of vodka and a fish supper = fun lunch

Booze or 5 bits of plastic? hmmm

Where is this price confirmed or is it still just rumour?

There was a price list earlier that showed 5 dire avengers for $35 = £22

Interesting.
I need a way to make wraithlords an elite choice
Got 40 wraithguard as my troops, 3 wraithlords as my heavies.
But i now wants a wraithknight.

3++ just posted a host of new pictures from the WD:
http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/05/eldar-pictures-rules/#more-6942

Hmm
"Exquisitely wrought Citadel Finecast miniature"

So the head's going up for a second lap?

 Capamaru wrote:
All these would be great solution in order to solve the highly populated HS slot. They aren't necessarily balanced but they solve the "Ohh boy what should I pick for HS problem"... kinda...

Just play double FOC. Problem solved

 supreme overlord wrote:
$115 for ONE model. Pure Insanity.

Its £50 in the UK, where most console videogame releases are £45.. know which is gonna give me more enjoyment.

Far as the WK being in HS, it does feel like they're overcrowding things in the slots, though who knows what will happen until they actually release things. My bet is still on the Falcon become a dedicated transport.

I'm just happy that the rumours show Eldar getting a hell of a lot of firepower in the new releases, the Knight is able to take up to 6x s6 ap2 blasts and 4 regular shots (6 if Star Cannons do get a buff), or 2x s9 ap2 lance blasts and 2x s8 ap1 lance shots, so either way it can be configured to scare the hell out of stuff that usually walks around with immunity.

Hmm, looks like the Nightshade can be piloted by a Crimson Hunter Exarch. Two bright lances and a Pulsar laser at BS5 - Yes please!

This. >75% chance of a penetrating hit on a Hell Drake, even on front/side armour. Welcome to the new Flier meta guys.

EDIT: also, am I the only one excited about Illic Nightspear? Want me some point-eared space elf Vindicare in my army!

From what I could gather, it looks like you buy Warlocks in the HQ section; possibly if you get a Farseer, it unlocks the option to get Warlocks and not take up an HQ slot. I'm assuming they can be broken off and attached to units, but I'm speculating.

Fortune, Doom and Guide appear to still exist, but needing to roll on the psychic chart; not surprising. I think the default powers for both psychic charts the Eldar have are Guide and Conceal/Reveal. Against units that ignore cover, Conceal still is not any good, but against other stuff, it is a pretty significant improvement as it is basically Shrouding.

(speculation) Wraithlords and Wraithknights both in the HS slot will be problematic for GW sales wise. The Wraithknight's rules are going to have to be absolutely phenomenal in order for them to sell in any significant quantity. Folks are already balking its price; if it has mediocre rules, I know I won't be parting with money for it anytime soon.

Curious to see what happened to the Starcannon. From what I gather, it may have gone back to 3 shots. However, in today's enviornment of not facing many MEQ armies (at least I don't), I may still be sticking to the Scatterlaser unless it got nerfed.




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 Farseer_Kaiser wrote:

 supreme overlord wrote:
$115 for ONE model. Pure Insanity.

Its £50 in the UK, where most console videogame releases are £45.. know which is gonna give me more enjoyment.

Far as the WK being in HS, it does feel like they're overcrowding things in the slots, though who knows what will happen until they actually release things. My bet is still on the Falcon become a dedicated transport.

I'm just happy that the rumours show Eldar getting a hell of a lot of firepower in the new releases, the Knight is able to take up to 6x s6 ap2 blasts and 4 regular shots (6 if Star Cannons do get a buff), or 2x s9 ap2 lance blasts and 2x s8 ap1 lance shots, so either way it can be configured to scare the hell out of stuff that usually walks around with immunity.

Hmm, looks like the Nightshade can be piloted by a Crimson Hunter Exarch. Two bright lances and a Pulsar laser at BS5 - Yes please!

This. >75% chance of a penetrating hit on a Hell Drake, even on front/side armour. Welcome to the new Flier meta guys.

EDIT: also, am I the only one excited about Illic Nightspear? Want me some point-eared space elf Vindicare in my army!

I like the idea of an Eldar sniper. However, I've got a bunch of Ranger models and it looks like I can just use one of them instead of the finecast model. He's cool looking, but I'm not a fan of finecast. I've had issues with their quality. Heck, I've even still have an old 2nd edition one painted Ranger that would work just fine. Give me cool rules and I'll try him out.

It may just be me, but I can actually see the wave releases as a bit of genius on GW's part. With the codex, they are releasing an Iyanden supplement, and what would be most relevant to Iyanden players? Wraithguard, Spirit Seers, and Wraithknights. Hopefully they'll put out a Saim-Hann supplement, along with new Jetbike riders (the existing repack of JEtbikes into a 3-pack may be intended to reduce supply of the existing models before introducing a new one.) Then Biel-Tan and more Aspect Warriors, Ulthwe and new transports/tanks? It actually makes some sense to me, if this is what they are planning to do.

The assassin might also have different kinds of ammo like the Vindicare. The Wd hints at many ammo packs that he carries.

 Redemption wrote:
3++ just posted a host of new pictures from the WD:
http://www.3plusplus.net/2013/05/eldar-pictures-rules/#more-6942

Interesting those scans of the psychic cards. The rumor of split powers was true. 24" range on Guide is nice too. Renew restores a wound to a model within 18". I guess it depends on whether warlocks can take psychic powers too now. Having a few warlocks healing your big monsters...

Anybody else getting database errors when they try and view the 3++ picks?

It's sending me into a spiraling rage!

 Medium of Death wrote:
Anybody else getting database errors when they try and view the 3++ picks?

It's sending me into a spiraling rage!

Same here. For not knowing the Internet exists, GW can sure c&d everyone quickly.

 Theophony wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Anybody else getting database errors when they try and view the 3++ picks?

It's sending me into a spiraling rage!

Same here. For not knowing the Internet exists, GW can sure c&d everyone quickly.

Nah, the site is just overloaded.

Finding it difficult to read those psychic power cards, but find it a bit odd that Executioner is under Runes of Fate. If anything sounds like a Runes of Battle power, it would be that assuming the fluff is still the same about sending a psychic projection to cut down the enemy.

Is Mind War still in there?

Executioner:
is a focussed witchfire, the target model(?) takes 3 hits, resolved at the Farseer's strength and Fleshbane rule with AP-. If the target dies from the first hit, select another model and repeat (but with 2 hits), if that dies select a final mode that takes 1 hit.

Now those wraithguard look good!

From the scans, it seems the Warp Spiders are now Jet Pack Infantry instead of Jump Infantry. I wonder if their Warp Jump Generators change the movement of that somehow, or that they just became slower?

Damn.. just for my wallets sanity.. I hope Wraithguard aren't troops or have a HQ/character that makes them so.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Damn.. just for my wallets sanity.. I hope Wraithguard aren't troops or have a HQ/character that makes them so.

I suspect that is what the Iyanden supplement will be. Reorganized FOC to allow you to run Knights/Lords/Guard all in one army. As it stands, it appears Wraithlords and Wraithknights are Heavy Support.

If we can stick to the thread topic please folks.

Thank you.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Damn.. just for my wallets sanity.. I hope Wraithguard aren't troops or have a HQ/character that makes them so.

I thought it was posted that taking a Spiritseer made Wraithguard troops.

I really hope that you don't need this Iyanden supplement to move Wraiths around the FOC.

It will be severely limit how many Wraithguard and Wraith Knights will be sold (at least to me).

I don't (and I am sure many others feel the same way) want to buy another full priced book to take full advantage of my minis rules. One £30 codex is enough!

From squinting at some blurry pics I saw on BoLS/3++:

Dark Reapers have Slow and Purposeful, Reaper Rangefinders (no word of what they do), and reaper launcher with [illegible] missiles. Not flakk missiles, whatever the word is, it's longer than "missiles" or "launcher".

Warp Spiders get Hit and Run and are Jet Pack Infantry, plus another special rule I can't make out.

Dire Avengers can take a Power Halberd on the Exarch. There is a small picture of it.

"Remnants of Glory" Wargear page:
S______ of Asuryan, a CC weapon with +? S, AP - and several special rules. Lines up with some stuff from earlier.
Fire Lance
The Spirit Armor? of Arath'La_ (wargear, no statline)
H______ Long Rifle, 120" range - this is NOT the sniper character's rifle, as another image says his weapon is called Voidbringer.
Mantle of the Laughing God
E/F______'s Hymn? (wargear, no statline)
The F______ C_____ (illegible, wargear with no statline, two big paragraphs of text)

On the splash page for Illic Nightblade, it says that "when Illic goes to war, Pathfinders from Alaitoc craftworld flock to join him". Sounds like he unlocks Pathfinders in some way to me. Maybe they are now Elite while regular Rangers remain Troops, and he moves them back? Pure speculation there.

While the Wraithknight is quite expensive, I'm sure you can recoup a nice chunk of the investment by selling the weapons you don't use. I know I'll be checking eBay for that sword once the kit is released!

 rohansoldier wrote:
I really hope that you don't need this Iyanden supplement to move Wraiths around the FOC.

It will be severely limit how many Wraithguard and Wraith Knights will be sold (at least to me).

I don't (and I am sure many others feel the same way) want to buy another full priced book to take full advantage of my minis rules. One £30 codex is enough!

Not the Wraiths, but the Lords and or Knights. Lords and Knights appear to be in the Heavy Support slot. To get the full Wraith army, one of those two will need to be moved, which is what I think the Iyanden supplement will include.

Some Psychic Powers:

Destructor/Renewer, flamer/healing spell, Runes of Battle
Conceal/Reveal, Runes of Battle primaris power
Executioner, Runes of Fate (no second power)
Guide, Runes of Fate primaris power

Not exactly sure how much rules detail is allowed here, so I'll leave it out for now, but those four cards are completely and clearly legible if you dig the images up.

So it looks like the Runes of Battle powers are the Warlock powers but with an additional, reversed aspect to them, and the Runes of Fate are the Farseer powers, and are single powers. The only question is what the charts will look like (both Destructor and Executioner are the first non-primaris power).

So I am trying to work out what I will need for a small eldar ally detachment just to get a knight.

Would I need a spiritseer dude? Are they meant to be HQ and I wonder if they are needed for the wraith guys.

I am also guessing one box of guardians should be good?