Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**Crimson**

So is there any word whether Spiritseer also makes Wraithblades troops, or only Wraithguard? And can you mix different weapons in a Wraithblade squad?

**Asmodai Asmodean**

Sidstyler wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

Personally I think the wraithknight is stupid, both the model and the price, and I don't like how expensive the mandatory flyers are becoming for every army, but it sounds to me like GW would have been much better off if they hadn't messed with dire avengers at all. They're just so blatantly fething their customers in the ass it isn't even funny. No one is happy about the price of basic infantry literally doubling, and even people who attempt to defend it are basically resorting to "Well it only screws new players, I.E. the future of the hobby and what will inevitably keep GW and other companies like them afloat, everyone else already has enough dire avengers so who cares? Besides new players won't know any better anyway!", which is no doubt what GW themselves were thinking when they were collectively unzipping their pants. Even if a newer player supposedly didn't know ahead of time that dire avengers got a 100% price increase, does it really take a genius to figure out how bad a deal that will be when he looks at the codex? He'll figure out what everyone else did a long time ago: "Hey, dire avengers are much better than guardians for the points (or at least as good as gakky Eldar troops can get). Looks like the most optimal squad size is ten guys, too...holy gak, I have to spend $70 on one fething troop choice?" And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

But hey, what does GW care if he sticks with the hobby or not after that, they got his money for that first big purchase and that's all that matters.

So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

**wuestenfux**

theharrower wrote:
Downloaded the preview of the Codex on iPad. Not as telling as the High Elf book, but it does have some weapon stats:

Shuriken Catapult 12" S4 AP5 Assault 2, Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannon 24" S6 AP5 Assault 3, Bladestorm

Bladestorm: When a weapon with this special rule rolls a 6 To Wound, the target is wounded automatically and the Wound is resolved at AP2.

This kind of bladestorm would be quite nasty. Toughness would play no role. Against vehicles, I guess it would be S6 or not?

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All this hype about WG. They are meh as troops or not.

**cerbrus2**

Complete Codex preview added further down.

**wuestenfux**

What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

**cerbrus2**

wuestenfux wrote:
What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

Well i didn't edit anything so yeah lol why where they only 3 or something before?

**wuestenfux**

cerbrus2 wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

Well i didn't edit anything so yeah lol why where they only 3 or something before?

Yeah, BS 3 since Guardians are poets and philosophers.
Now Black Guardians seem to drive Vypers.

**Asmodai Asmodean**

Whatever happened to the:

Everguard/Warp Spider plastic box?
Cataphracts?
Sky Chariot/Shining Spears plastic box?

Second wave or fallen by the wayside?

**Carresuith**

Crystal Targeting Matrix is back? O.O

**Popenfresh**

Wait, so what are the exarch powers of the warpspiders now? Are they mentioned further down the page?

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Whatever happened to the:

Everguard/Warp Spider plastic box?
Cataphracts?
Sky Chariot/Shining Spears plastic box?

Second wave or fallen by the wayside?

Or made up rumors....?

**Iracundus**

So a quiet upgrade to try and boost the utility of Vypers.

I notice they recycled the fluff box for the Vypers. That first appeared in a WD when the Vyper was introduced. Lictor springs for Vyper and gets shredded by shuriken then Vyper flies off into the air.

I presume the House of Ulthanash bit is from the Iyanden supplement. Interesting, but hopefully there will be more meat and background content than just short paragraph blurbs with color schemes. For one thing, how many readers would know who Ulthanash was? (Brother of Eldanesh)

One thing I've been pondering as well is what explanation (if any) there is for the Battle Focus or Battle Trance rules. I know they are meant to make the Eldar more competitive, but the Dark Eldar were described in their Codex as preserving the physical abilities of the ancient Eldar while the Craftworld Eldar preserve the psychic might.

**Shandara**

wuestenfux wrote:
cerbrus2 wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

Well i didn't edit anything so yeah lol why where they only 3 or something before?

Yeah, BS 3 since Guardians are poets and philosophers.
Now Black Guardians seem to drive Vypers.

Or the pilots finally use some of that fabulous Eldar tech to aim better. Let's hope all the vehicles are BS 4 now.

**wuestenfux**

Shandara wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
cerbrus2 wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
What, the Vyper is now BS 4 ?

Well i didn't edit anything so yeah lol why where they only 3 or something before?

Yeah, BS 3 since Guardians are poets and philosophers.
Now Black Guardians seem to drive Vypers.

Or the pilots finally use some of that fabulous Eldar tech to aim better. Let's hope all the vehicles are BS 4 now.

Fire Prisms were BS 4.
However, the BS upgrade would be rather useful if GW didn't manage to fix the tanks (Serpents are overpriced, holofields are next to useless).

**cerbrus2**

Popenfresh wrote:
Wait, so what are the exarch powers of the warpspiders now? Are they mentioned further down the page?

They didn't have a complete view for the spiders, that was just the "how to use this section" sample. I'm assuming they will be the same as the actual warp spider profiles though.

**tedurur**

Oh hell yes! CTM is back! Everything seems to be shoot and move, this will be great!

**cerbrus2**

Iracundus wrote:
So a quiet upgrade to try and boost the utility of Vypers.

I notice they recycled the fluff box for the Vypers. That first appeared in a WD when the Vyper was introduced. Lictor springs for Vyper and gets shredded by shuriken then Vyper flies off into the air.

I presume the House of Ulthanash bit is from the Iyanden supplement. Interesting, but hopefully there will be more meat and background content than just short paragraph blurbs with color schemes. For one thing, how many readers would know who Ulthanash was? (Brother of Eldanesh)

One thing I've been pondering as well is what explanation (if any) there is for the Battle Focus or Battle Trance rules. I know they are meant to make the Eldar more competitive, but the Dark Eldar were described in their Codex as preserving the physical abilities of the ancient Eldar while the Craftworld Eldar preserve the psychic might.

No the section for House Ulthanash is an actual codex page. I'm assuming its just one out of Many fluff pages for houses and craft worlds.

**wuestenfux**

tedurur wrote:
Oh hell yes! CTM is back! Everything seems to be shoot and move, this will be great!

This will be a pricy upgrade but eventually better than ever since tanks can go down rather quickly these days.

**Ravajaxe**

Very blurry on Warp spiders, but my reading of 19 points/model cost seems believable. They are jumps pack infantry (like Tau XV8 or XV25) and combine this with combat focus. They will become one of the most flexible units regarding movement characteristics. For example, you would be able to deep-strike in a safe position, adjust position by rerollable 1D6, shoot STR 6 guns, hide back 2D6. Or move, shoot, reposition 1D6 (rerollable) + 2D6. Average movement 6+4+7 = 17 inches per turn with a strong shooting capability.

**Popenfresh**

The War in Heaven fluff is pretty confusing and contradictory to that in Necons codex. Apparently GW is going with the "long-forgotten war that everyone claims they won and the others lost"-schtick. Hopefully this means they're steering back to the idea of a biased perspective in the codices.

**Eggs**

For the dude taking the pics of the iOS stuff - if you press the home button and the lock button at the same time on your fruit based device, it'll take a screenshot and store it in your photos app.

Handy for exactly what you're doing.

**cerbrus2**

Ravajaxe wrote:
Very blurry on Warp spiders, but my reading of 19 points/model cost seems believable. They are jumps pack infantry (like Tau XV8 or XV25) and combine this with combat focus. They will become one of the most flexible units regarding movement characteristics. For example, you would be able to deep-strike in a safe position, adjust position by rerollable 1D6, shoot STR 6 guns, hide back 2D6. Or move, shoot, reposition 1D6 (rerollable) + 2D6. Average movement 6+4+7 = 17 inches per turn with a strong shooting capability.

click on the picks makers it easier to see.

But

Unit comp of 5

19pts per model
exarch upgrade for 10pts

**Iracundus**

Popenfresh wrote:
The War in Heaven fluff is pretty confusing and contradictory to that in Necons codex. Apparently GW is going with the "long-forgotten war that everyone claims they won and the others lost"-schtick. Hopefully this means they're steering back to the idea of a biased perspective in the codices.

Not necessarily. The two views are not mutually contradictory.

The Necron Codex says they ceded dominance of the galaxy to the Eldar because they realized that they could not win since they were exhausted from having just overthrown the C'tan, so went to sleep instead. The Eldar could have thought they won when in reality they didn't, at least not as completely as they thought in their pride and arrogance. The Codex preview says there were wars against Necron dynasties so perhaps the ancient Eldar fought some Necron dynasties, won, and thought their victory was complete when the rest of the Necrons vanished. Maybe if the Necrons had stayed and fought, the Eldar might still have won, but that didn't happen. The Necron Codex says some tombs were still destroyed by the Eldar, so the Eldar don't seem to have entirely given up, but with the Necrons apparently gone and tombs being hard to find and/or destroy, the Eldar might have concluded it wasn't worth the trouble to finish off an apparently dormant quiescent foe from the ancient past.

From what the preview suggests, the ancient pre-Fall Eldar were stronger psychically than the Craftworld Eldar, or more free to unleash their full potential without the worry of Slaanesh. The Dark Eldar designer notes from WD and the Dark Eldar Codex showed the Dark Eldar preserved the physical fitness of the ancient Eldar though at the cost of psychic powers. So going from that, the ancient Eldar would have had the stats of Dark Eldar but all would have been psykers.

**cerbrus2**

Eggs wrote:
For the dude taking the pics of the iOS stuff - if you press the home button and the lock button at the same time on your fruit based device, it'll take a screenshot and store it in your photos app.

Handy for exactly what you're doing.

Thx for the tip. Give me 5 mins I will add the entire Sample. uploading now.

**mortetvie**

Vhalyar wrote:
Popenfresh wrote:
Ok the pics on Yriel's blog confirm the new FD rules.

It looks like Wraithcannons are now 20< range with S10, AP2. Neat!

Can't find anything there about the cannons being S10 AP2. Would be great if it was the case though

Hey guys, thanks for checking out my blog! Wraith weapons are still up in the air though auto-pen/instant-kill on a 6 has been thrown around...

Basically, the WRaithknight has been rumored to have a 20-something inch gun at s10 ap2 and according to GW preorder page for WRaithknight, it comes with a wraith canon on main arm weapons... The regular wraith guard are listed as having a wraith cannon as well for options so put two and two together, either wraith guard have same ranged weapon as WRaithknight (wraithcannon) for option or it is a typo on GW page... Either way, time will tell!

**tedurur**

wuestenfux wrote:
tedurur wrote:
Oh hell yes! CTM is back! Everything seems to be shoot and move, this will be great!

This will be a pricy upgrade but eventually better than ever since tanks can go down rather quickly these days.

It will be 25pts. Well worth it if it works like it used to.

**Ravajaxe**

cerbrus2 wrote:
Ravajaxe wrote:
Very blurry on Warp spiders, but my reading of 19 points/model cost seems believable. They are jumps pack infantry (like Tau XV8 or XV25) and combine this with combat focus. They will become one of the most flexible units regarding movement characteristics. For example, you would be able to deep-strike in a safe position, adjust position by rerollable 1D6, shoot STR 6 guns, hide back 2D6. Or move, shoot, reposition 1D6 (rerollable) + 2D6. Average movement 6+4+7 = 17 inches per turn with a strong shooting capability.

click on the picks makers it easier to see.

But

Unit comp of 5

19 pts per model
exarch upgrade for 10pts

LOL Did not spotted it was a clickable vignette !

I should correct my calculation : heavy aspect armoured eldar seem to lose fleet rule, meaning they will lack the 1D6 reroll I put in my estimate.
So 6+3.5+7 = 16.5 inches per turn with shooting at 12".
Still a very flexible unit though.

**cerbrus2**

Codex: Eldar iOS Sample

**Lovepug13**

Thanks for that :-)

**Iracundus**

That House of Ulthanash page still looks like it is from the Iyanden supplement given how it appears in the ad page for it.

**deleted20250424**

Yea, good thing they don't sell .pdf's ..... that crap would be all over the internet in 5 seconds!

lmao!

Anyway, I agree, much thanks. Looks very nice.