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rich1231 wrote:
PLC

But claiming the transaction was all above board I think is something we will leave for the Administrators to investigate especially as oh a day before it went through the assets for the miniatures range were specifically valued at over £130k. So either the value was underplayed in the transaction or the accounts were false.

We have so much negative information and evidence of odd activities that we will demand are investigated that when the administrators report is issued it will be very interesting.

It's interesting seeing the statment of Mierce - " And Rob struggles to pay his mortgage every month and feed his missus and kids like the rest of us. There's no throne of gold that he's cackling atop."

If this is the case, while struggling to house his family and with 200-500K of debt in his copmpany where did Rob (Mierce) get 130K to pay Rob (maelstrom) to buy the miniatures line?

 Compel wrote:
This is a worrying bit.

"GW will soon be bringing in a new addition to their T&Cs. Retailers will be limited to selling £75k of GW product a year. By comparison that's roughly the amount MG would order from GW in two weeks. Yup, two weeks and GW was roughly 50-55% of MGs turnover."

It sounds like just the right amount of pants on head stupidity from GW to sound true.

Will not happen unless GW, for some reason know they can't keep porduction up. GW would limit retailers to a min. of 75K a year, by the way they work.

Now as for not being able to support his family, means.... get a part time job, NOT lie and steal people money to feed them. I guess he figured if we could spend money on models with must have money to waste, so why not take there money with no plans to do anything for them. Rob must be a good guy.

Troll1 wrote:

You may of noticed I've not mentioned Gary Moore
Who had to leave. Maelstrom because of been a sex pest to the young female members of staff

Do you have a court docket or other public record to back this up? If not, this is libel.

Reported.

Ah, I don't think we have to worry to much about the 75k a year to be honest. As long as Gw is a retailer and manufacturer they're not allowed to impose these limits (at least in the EU) unless they are valid for all retail outlets which would include GW's own stores, and even their direct website store.

Ofcourse unless they know more about an impending Brixit than we do that is

 Gertjan wrote:
Ofcourse unless they know more about an impending Brixit than we do that is

Well, they seem to know things about IP law that baffles every professional

If anyone is interested, I've received my entire order I placed with Maelstrom Games from Mierce Miniatures (I only ordered Darklands items). It was quite a large order of £250. So we know that MM is trying to take care of their customers to the best of their abilities.

I was logging into Mainsfield Miniatures site and although my account details seemed to work, every time I went to check my orders I got kicked out ot of login. Today I was finally able to check my transferred orderd and was quite surprised to see that both of them have been canceled. I have no idea when did this happen and reasons for this.

I'll transfer a bit of a post from the Kingdom Death :Monster KS thread over here, from Adam Poots the owner and brains behind Kingdom Death

"I also worked for a short while with Maelstrom games and I regret not doing more research in regards to the operation before I agreed. If there are any KD fans out there that orders my product from Maelstorm please contact me and I will personally make amends."

so if any of you didn't get kingdom death minis from maelstrom (and have not had a refund from your CC/Paypal) contact Adam via PM,

you can find him participating in this thread as kingdomdeath

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/930/490911.page

Little update
Up to press mg rant actually in receivership
No receiver appointed
Told Rob lane needs to pay for this this and strangely he won't
The longer meirce miniatures are separate the less chance of them still been linked to mg
As for them paying for mg to become a separate enterty where would the money of come from as they where part of mg at that time
So was this a transaction on paper only or was it a promise of goods in lieu

Troll1 wrote:
Little update
Up to press mg rant actually in receivership
No receiver appointed
Told Rob lane needs to pay for this this and strangely he won't
The longer meirce miniatures are separate the less chance of them still been linked to mg
As for them paying for mg to become a separate enterty where would the money of come from as they where part of mg at that time
So was this a transaction on paper only or was it a promise of goods in lieu

I can honestly say that I didn't understand a single thing in your post...

Agreed.

Finally rung my bank (at the bank) to try and settle this, first try was un-successful, I was told it was actually my fault because once I enter my card details on the site, they have the right to do what they want, it was my fault I got scammed so yeah, was about to leave it and my father told me to ask someone at the desk and thank god he did, the lady rung back up stating I wasnt helped at all and put me back on to im pretty sure, the same advisor and gave the same story, never received items, requested refund twice with no reply bla bla and this time they said it would be settled.

So heres hoping its ok

Troll1 wrote:
Little update
Up to press mg rant actually in receivership
No receiver appointed
Told Rob lane needs to pay for this this and strangely he won't
The longer meirce miniatures are separate the less chance of them still been linked to mg
As for them paying for mg to become a separate enterty where would the money of come from as they where part of mg at that time
So was this a transaction on paper only or was it a promise of goods in lieu

You know, main issue still is that I accidentally a Maelstrom Games.

Troll1 wrote:
Little update
Up to press mg rant actually in receivership
No receiver appointed
Told Rob lane needs to pay for this this and strangely he won't
The longer meirce miniatures are separate the less chance of them still been linked to mg
As for them paying for mg to become a separate enterty where would the money of come from as they where part of mg at that time
So was this a transaction on paper only or was it a promise of goods in lieu

At the present time Maelstrom games are not technically in receivership as a receiver has not been apointed yet.
I have been informed that it is Rob Lane's responsibility to do this and as of present he has not.
The more time elapses the less likely meirce are to be considered an asset of MG.
I am dubious of "them" purchasing the Meirce component of MG as a spinoff company as I cannot envision where the funds would come from if not from MG.
So was this a transaction an accounting sleight of hand only or was it a promise of goods in lieu?

That's my interpretation of it anyway other translators may have variations.

Is there any way to confirm the first part?

So...is troll1 now trolling the other way and saying MG is to blame? I thought he was defending them previously

The thing with receivers is they, understandably, ask for payment up front.

If neither Rob or MG are liquid, as appears to be the case, this produces a Mexican standoff.

If MG has no assets left to sell, then the only option is to petition Companies House to have the company struck off. The issue is any creditor can object if they feel there is a chance of recovering some of their debt.

It's a situation I narrowly avoided myself when I'll health forced me to give up work, it's no fun. But then I didn't leave my creditors or customers in the lurch, so head the benefit of some goodwill.

Sining wrote:
So...is troll1 now trolling the other way and saying MG is to blame? I thought he was defending them previously

Obvious troll is obvious

Looks like the statement that BF customers will be receiving their orders has turned out to be as false as all their other statements. My order transferred over to this new MG website but has been packing for over 18 days now. Just looks as though thy are stalling for time for some reason ..

BF are also refusing to respond to questions on their forum

There's little reason for anyone not related to the mess to send out MGs orders

cdb812 wrote:
Looks like the statement that BF customers will be receiving their orders has turned out to be as false as all their other statements. My order transferred over to this new MG website but has been packing for over 18 days now. Just looks as though thy are stalling for time for some reason ..

BF are also refusing to respond to questions on their forum

There's little reason for them to. You purchased it from Maelstrom, and it's up to Maelstrom to send you the products. That's the danger of ordering through a third party - the third party might not actually use your money to order your product and send it to you.

Otoh, there are some things I would prefer to order through a third party, mostly because I don't trust the first party not to go and screw me over

Sining wrote:
Otoh, there are some things I would prefer to order through a third party, mostly because I don't trust the first party not to go and screw me over

If you don't trust the first party not to screw you over, why do you trust they won't screw over the third party?

Probably cause the third party would have a lot more legal clout than single consumers.

There are somethings I would only buy from online retailers who have it in stock than the manufacturers who would produce it only when I order it for instance

I am sort of glad that I did not cancel the credit card charge-back after I received notification about my order transfer... I had that gut feeling that an order being transferred to third party =/ the order being instantly sent. They were processing it in the true spirit of MG (i.e. for one month) and then suddenly I was no longer able to log into Mainsfeld website for a week. Now, when I log in, all orders are marked as being cancelled.

 -Loki- wrote:

cdb812 wrote:
Looks like the statement that BF customers will be receiving their orders has turned out to be as false as all their other statements. My order transferred over to this new MG website but has been packing for over 18 days now. Just looks as though thy are stalling for time for some reason ..

BF are also refusing to respond to questions on their forum

There's little reason for them to. You purchased it from Maelstrom, and it's up to Maelstrom to send you the products. That's the danger of ordering through a third party - the third party might not actually use your money to order your product and send it to you.

Agreed, but they did say they were actively working with Rob to ensure all orders were fulfilled. That's what people have been asking questions about. Sorry, should have been more specific

I'd guess that was just meant they were still prepared to sell BF stock to Rob's companies if he paid for it up front so he could fullfill his orders

rather than them paying his debts out of their own pockets

But I could be wrong, try approaching BF direct and see what they say, at least that will tell you where you stand

@ sining
I have never tried to defend rob lane or what he has done

I asked people to give the eye of the storm a chance as there was a lot of people working there who relied on it for work
( but now that rob lane has made all but two redundant that's not important )
Now it's more important that people know what games rob lane is playing
He hasn't made any attempt to liquidate maelstrom games
Which leaves everybody in limbo
Customers and staff

Re the receivership, as far as I can remember, no it's not RL responsibility to do so. If WG have taken them to court and proven a debt that is due payment, then it's up to them to proceed to a receviership and thence to liquidation.

No matter how badly RL has behaved, the lack of action lies with WG/Court.

Cheers

Andrew

Just read Tim fishers comments on headstone forum about how it's a totally separate entity from maelstrom

A few things puzzled me

1 he and other staff payed there own wages by selling figures on eBay sold to maelstrom

2 with the best will in the world how did they as a separate entity sell enough of maelstroms second hand on eBay to raise the 120 k to buy the range rent the unit set it up and move to it

3 so if I'm right
They sold maelstroms second hand to raise the money
Paid maelstrom for the range with it's own money
Set up the unit and moved with maelstroms money

Not bad for a totally independent entity

As for rob struggling for money and taking care of his staff
Half of my posts have been about how poorly his staff have fared in the last few months
Have any of them received there redundancy money
I don't think so
Perhaps if he sold his £16000 land rover he brought six months ago he could pay back some of the people he owes

Or even better get Tim fisher back selling second hand for a few months and they could clear all the debts off

What a load of total bxxxxcks that statement was
Then again it's Christmas and we all love a good fairy tale at Christmas

Troll1 wrote:
Just read Tim fishers comments on headstone forum about how it's a totally separate entity from maelstrom

A few things puzzled me

1 he and other staff payed there own wages by selling figures on eBay sold to maelstrom

2 with the best will in the world how did they as a separate entity sell enough of maelstroms second hand on eBay to raise the 120 k to buy the range rent the unit set it up and move to it

3 so if I'm right
They sold maelstroms second hand to raise the money
Paid maelstrom for the range with it's own money
Set up the unit and moved with maelstroms money

Not bad for a totally independent entity

As for rob struggling for money and taking care of his staff
Half of my posts have been about how poorly his staff have fared in the last few months
Have any of them received there redundancy money
I don't think so
Perhaps if he sold his £16000 land rover he brought six months ago he could pay back some of the people he owes

Or even better get Tim fisher back selling second hand for a few months and they could clear all the debts off

What a load of total bxxxxcks that statement was
Then again it's Christmas and we all love a good fairy tale at Christmas

You chose the wrong name if you want people to read your posts and take you seriously i think.