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 Sean_OBrien wrote:


Make sure you get to the original release for the sculpture and not the release for that material or packaging of the sculpture.

The skeletons are over a decade old - and sculpted by their accountant/owner (not that that makes it any more or less...just saying Ed isn't one of their front line sculptors). You can see them on page 28 of their 2000 Holiday Catalog:

https://www.reapermini.com/pdf/CW/Reaper_2000_Holiday%20Catalog.pdf

I can't remember if the zombies are new new or new old off the top of my head though. There are a lot to keep track of. Some of it goes to the age, others are the preference of their customers. A lot of figure painters tend to prefer the portrait poses over something which is more active.

I get that, but the aging aspect I'm referring to is not necessarily the style or pose, as I understand that to be largely a matter of taste. What I'm referring to are features that I believe were due to casting limitations that no longer exist due to better technology and materials. The reason I chose these two examples were because they the zombie has the thumb on the left hand fused to the head and the shaft of the skeletons spears are fused to the base. From my limited knowledge I believe these types of things were typically done to reduce flexibility in thinner parts of the model to reduce casting errors or having the part break off after casting.

Just note I'm not complaining, as I like a mixture of styles. I just would have liked the dates so that I could more easily look at the development of the models and the modelers. I see miniature sculpting as an art so for me it's fun to follow an artist through different periods of their career.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

So Reaper are letting them in but for 50% more to grab vampire, or 20% more if they just want the added options...... The KS backers clearly got the best deal, and Reaper gets to sell more stuff to fans who may want in. Everybody comes off ahead

And of course this higher cost option is still a VERY good deal...
Reaper is leveraging off of the kick starter. I wonder if established companies will start doing their own kickstarters in house to cut KS out of the loop (assuming they have robust servers).

Tim

timd wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

So Reaper are letting them in but for 50% more to grab vampire, or 20% more if they just want the added options...... The KS backers clearly got the best deal, and Reaper gets to sell more stuff to fans who may want in. Everybody comes off ahead

And of course this higher cost option is still a VERY good deal...
Reaper is leveraging off of the kick starter. I wonder if established companies will start doing their own kickstarters in house to cut KS out of the loop (assuming they have robust servers).

Tim

This might be highly unlikely. Big site like Kickstarter brings in more pledgers and only cost 5% of the top. (+amazons percentage)

Compare to Tentacle Bento.
They had a good start at kickstarter with an end estimate of 200k+.
They got cancelled by kickstarter & started new campaign on their own site.
End result: almost 50k pledged.

That's 4 times less.

 adhuin wrote:


This might be highly unlikely. Big site like Kickstarter brings in more pledgers and only cost 5% of the top. (+amazons percentage)

Compare to Tentacle Bento.
They had a good start at kickstarter with an end estimate of 200k+.
They got cancelled by kickstarter & started new campaign on their own site.
End result: almost 50k pledged.

That's 4 times less.

Good point, although a company with a much larger and broader fan base like Reaper might do well.

 Unix wrote:
Just note I'm not complaining, as I like a mixture of styles. I just would have liked the dates so that I could more easily look at the development of the models and the modelers. I see miniature sculpting as an art so for me it's fun to follow an artist through different periods of their career.

I agree, wasn't trying to jump on you for anything though. Just pointing out that the original release was a bit longer ago than 2007.

With Reaper, you can sort of time the release well enough with the SKU. Lower the number, the older the model. Also, they have back issues of their catalogs (Casket works) available on their website - so you can flip through the history of various sculptors that way too. Some have made some fairly significant improvements over the years. Worth having a look if you are into that sort of thing.

 BlueDagger wrote:

timd wrote:


As far as people who didn't back (ie, someone who was not one of the 17,744 backers) they WILL be able to add new accounts at the pledge manager, but at a higher price than a backer paid - for example, a Vampire to them will be $150, and Options will be 20% Higher (Nethyrmaul will be $30, for example).

Tim

Not gonna lie, this bugs me.

Not gonna lie, doesn't bug me at all.

It's effects me no differently than if they put in their order before the kickstarter ended, and Reaper gets more money to make my stuff.

 adamsouza wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:

timd wrote:


As far as people who didn't back (ie, someone who was not one of the 17,744 backers) they WILL be able to add new accounts at the pledge manager, but at a higher price than a backer paid - for example, a Vampire to them will be $150, and Options will be 20% Higher (Nethyrmaul will be $30, for example).

Tim

Not gonna lie, this bugs me.

Not gonna lie, doesn't bug me at all.

It's effects me no differently than if they put in their order before the kickstarter ended, and Reaper gets more money to make my stuff.

Doesn't bug me either. I mean we as backers during the KS still can up our pledges for additional stuff at origal low prices. Out of curiousity BlueDagger, why does it bug you? Did you not get in on the KS?

 ironicsilence wrote:


yeah and I believe that would be money that goes directly to reaper as kickstarter wouldnt get to take a cut....

I've heard that said before, but does anyone know that for certain? (I know you qualified that with "I believe", so I'm not picking on you).

 kronk wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:


yeah and I believe that would be money that goes directly to reaper as kickstarter wouldnt get to take a cut....

I've heard that said before, but does anyone know that for certain? (I know you qualified that with "I believe", so I'm not picking on you).

suspect its so, I know I've already been charged for my $100 pledge by kickstarter so I figured that the reaper pledge manager would be handled by reaper outside of kick starter, but dont know for sure

 adhuin wrote:

timd wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

So Reaper are letting them in but for 50% more to grab vampire, or 20% more if they just want the added options...... The KS backers clearly got the best deal, and Reaper gets to sell more stuff to fans who may want in. Everybody comes off ahead

And of course this higher cost option is still a VERY good deal...
Reaper is leveraging off of the kick starter. I wonder if established companies will start doing their own kickstarters in house to cut KS out of the loop (assuming they have robust servers).

Tim

This might be highly unlikely. Big site like Kickstarter brings in more pledgers and only cost 5% of the top. (+amazons percentage)

Compare to Tentacle Bento.
They had a good start at kickstarter with an end estimate of 200k+.
They got cancelled by kickstarter & started new campaign on their own site.
End result: almost 50k pledged.

That's 4 times less.

I agree. The reason a lot of KS's get a lot of money because...it's KS. So many people browse through all of the items and go "hey thats neat!" and pledge their money in.

 BlueDagger wrote:

timd wrote:


As far as people who didn't back (ie, someone who was not one of the 17,744 backers) they WILL be able to add new accounts at the pledge manager, but at a higher price than a backer paid - for example, a Vampire to them will be $150, and Options will be 20% Higher (Nethyrmaul will be $30, for example).

Tim

Not gonna lie, this bugs me.

I completely understand why it would bug you to get a worse deal that someone who bought early, but I'm very glad they did it this way. I think those who put their money down to make it happen should get the best deal. Those who came late and didn't "support" the kickstarter get a good deal, but not quite as good.

Like most things in capitalism, those who get in early get the best deal. If everyone got the same deal, then next time a kickstarter happens more folks are going to hang back and wait til it's over to commit, and that's not good for anyone running a kickstarter.

An after action article while we wait on Amazon to finish billing everyone so we can start to fill out the surveys:

http://www.wired.com/design/2012/08/reaper-miniatures-bones-kickstarter-success/

For people who want in after the action:

Project Update #62: Newbies Only!
Posted by Reaper Miniatures

OK, this link is for newbies only!!!

If you missed the Kickstarter and want to get involved, go enter in the e-mail you would like us to contact when the post KS Reaper pledge manager goes live.

If you've already pledge, this is not for you!

This is NOT a link to the Reaper Pledge Manager!

http://www.reapermini.com/ks/

Reaper has updated with their Cloud Giantess Sculpt;

From the awesome 2-D design of Talin to the amazing 3-D of Patrick Keith comes the finished Cloud Giant. She could be a Giant or a Goddess in your next game!

I'm quite happy with the translation from the concept art, well done!

Not too shabby, though the hair clip bits seem a little chunky and overall she has lost a little detail from sketch to model.

Still think she looks pretty cool though

Yes, that it awesome - and thank you for sharing.

I'm piggybacking on someone else's pledge, so I would've missed this otherwise!

Not bad, but I agree the hair decoration is too chunky

(guess that may be a bones material thing?)

The hair looks fine, and I'm guessing the hair accessory needed to be a bit thicker in order to survive the casting process...

Yay! They fixed the gouge in her hip!
She still looks like a 54 mm scale human or elf but still a great sculpt.

That is indeed a very awesome cloud giantess! Her eyes don't look as wily as they do in the finished render (whatever it's called). Her eyes look a little to small/squinty to be able to paint in that wily/mischevious factor. Her smile isn't as wily/mischevious factor either....maybe it's because the face is a little puffy compared to the art. OTT the mini is pretty damn awesome and thank you for hooking us up.

 ChaoticMind wrote:
Yay! They fixed the gouge in her hip!
She still looks like a 54 mm scale human or elf but still a great sculpt.

Fits with what she is supposed to look like - though to be fair...in her bent state she is over 3" tall (the two marks on the side of the picture are at the 1/2" and 1" points. So, that would make her...80 or 90 mm standing upright.

Cloud/storm giants looked like Greek/Roman humans...only bigger.

http://www.dotd.com/mm/MM00110.htm
http://www.dotd.com/mm/MM00124.htm

Cloud giants have muscular human builds and handsome, well-defined features.
Storm giants resemble well-formed humans of gargantuan proportions.

The hair clip (whatever you want to call it) is a bit on the chunky side. I can't see how it would have anything to do with any of the materials though (metal or Bones) - it is bigger by a good bit than shields used for a lot of their other figures. Looks as though it is separate on the metal version though...so it should be easily enough removed from the Bones one and either something more in scale or just plain hair to cover the spot it used to be. I really like that club though, and can see it getting used in a few different places already (even the figure sculpted in the club looks to be a touch larger than a regular 28 mm figure).

Storm Giant:



Cloud Giant:



I am really looking forward to these miniatures - the art to model transition looks to be quite nice!

Still stress testing the RPM (after how badly Cthulhu killed KS...they likely want to ensure it is rock solid) and all that...however for the people who were interested in the "In Sourcing" side of the Reaper project, Reaper Bryan had posted this:

On the "bringing production in house" front, we're making excellent progress on securing the equipment, and are bringing in a contractor soon to begin making modifications to the building to accommodate it.

Painted Cloud Giant.. This is awesome..

http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/previews/latest/77162#detail/77162_p_1_mj

Wow!

I liked the sculpt before, and it looks amazing painted up like that. Patrick Keith really hit that one (little cross promotion there ).

very nice, though the hair ornaments still look a bit thick

The detail capable in this bones stuff is very promising. One thing I asked on the KS page but don't think I got a response to was if this could be considered the "First" concept to model in the bones range.

IE - Is this the first example of what we can expect to see when something has been created specifically for bones. I believe the current range is re-purposed older metals.

If that is the case, then I can't wait to see how it matures once the sculptors get a handle on how the greens will translate over to bones and really start pushing the material.

I mean, just look at those lion clasps and the other detailing around the armour. If you told me that was a rubbery plastic out of the blue I wouldn't believe you.

Damn, I may need to buy her. With a weapon swap and the right paint job she'd be a great Keeper of Secrets.

I'm not sure this is bones, rather a painted prototype probably a resin master of the sort that will then be sent to china to be turned into a bones figure